i have a pair of klipsch 12 subs.and ohh do they sound good. for the $ that is. well i talked him down to $1300. there what i want and been wanting since the day i bought my klf-20s. our local soundtrack didnt have any klf-30s. hey i save by having my buddy bring them out to me,so shit . i'm doing it. call me dumb, call me ugly just dont call me late to dinner