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The problem on mine has not gotten any worse, and hasn't affected usability or audio quality at all. I think the problem is seen often enough, and each instance is similar enough to each other, to allow the possbility that it's not user error, but more likely a batch or design defect. It does not affect how much I like them, but it will DRAMATICALLY effect their resale value if I ever decide to do so, which sucks.

Hi Amy, thanks for checking into this. I got mine "from this lady on Amazon whose husband got them as a corporate christmas present", so I don't expect I have any warranty through anyone. I just wanted to see if anyone else was having this same problem, find out if there's any remedies. And just to document it if it continues getting worse (it hasn't yet). I look forward to seeing how this resolves.

Awesome, thank you. I'd forgotten about taking pictures. Kind of surprised Amy or Thump hasn't dropped by the thread yet.

Hello, As I indicated in my review, I'm quite happy with my Images, but I've just noticed a small tear (or notch) on both earpieces where the cord disappears into the black rubber sleeve connected to the brass colored metal part of the earpiece. I'll try to take a picture tonight. Was this notch always here, manufactured in, or is the rubber sleeve tearing? Is this something I should be concerned about after just over a month of using them? Thanks!

I just got my Klipsch Image IEMs in the mail last night. I've been tremendously excited about getting them, lusting through the weeks after any scrap of information I could get on them until that frightening moment I clicked the "Buy" button. So, I'm not pretending to review these objectively yet, I'm still in the "they're here! they're here!" phase, but I thought it would be interesting to document my observations as they evolve, as they have done in the hours that I've spent with the Images so far. Current overall impression (with over a month of use): 9.5 out of 10 stars Some background: About a year and a half ago, I had a brief encounter with a pair of Shure E4c IEMs. Bought them used off craigslist, sold them the same way. I didn't like how they felt. Didn't like the sound. Not enough bass. Excellent for Vivaldi, not so much for M.I.A. But mostly, I couldn't stand to wear them for more than half an hour at a time, and then I had to spend a couple minutes each time trying to get them in properly. Not a convenient IEM, not the sound I wanted. Since then I've had a pair of Grado SR60s and Sennheiser HD595s, and picked up a maxxed-out AlienDAC and MisterX XP-based amp, been generally happy with everything, but with the head-fi itch, I wanted more. There wasn't enough bass. The headband presses against my head and over the span of 8 hours gives me a headache and flattens my hair. They slide off my head if I look up, down, stretch, etc. I wanted to try IEMs again, and the timing was such that Klipsch was building a buzz about the Images so I spent a good deal of time investigating them. Dramatic bass? Surprising comfort? Good reviews.....hmmm.... Enough history, Impression #1 "Opening the box": Well, yes, lots of packaging, lots of small bits of tape, obstacles obstacles. Done! In my ears with the default tips, and the sound? It's... alright. Highs are clear and well rendered, mids too, but rolling off quickly as mids turn to low and not much low to speak of. I quickly go through all the tips and meet with the best results on the large double flange tips, but I'm still not especially excited. Certainly not as much as I wanted to be. So for sound, I'd give them a 4 out of 10. Comfort? They are uncomfortable. Not as bad as I remember the E4c's being, but I don't understand how anyone can forget they are there. Perhaps it takes time getting used to. Let you know how it goes. Comfort: 5 out of 10. Wire is much shorter than I'm used to from the Grados and Senns, but I suppose they are geared toward more mobile uses where a long cord would just get in the way. It's long enough, just shorter than I was expecting. Overall first impression: 4.5 out of 10 Impression #2, "The next day": I've worn them on and off throughout the workday today, played with tips some more, and discovered that I need to shove them much farther into my ear than I'd thought. The sound is substantially better. There's not much of a sense of soundstage, I don't get the impression of "the lead guitar over in that corner, the drums are over here", but the sound quality itself is good. Sounds are crisp, subtle background noises in the music come through well, and the bass has finally come to the party. It's still not the "it sounds like I should be feeling it in my chest too" that I've read from others, but it's dramatically better than it was. Doing A/B with my 595s, the Image's bass is much better. The only thing I haven't liked about the sound in my 595s has been the relative lack of bass. So I'm pleased the Images pick up that slack. Sound: 8 / 10 Comfort-wise, they are still not comfortable. I really have to shove them as far into my ear as I can to get a proper seal, and the outward pressure inside my ear is still a new and generally unpleasant experience. But there's a lot to be said for them being IEMs, and not pressing the temples of my glasses into my ears and head like regular headphones do. Comfort: 6 /10 So overall second impression: 7.5 /10 (weighted average) Impression #3, about a week later I've been using the Images for a about a week now. I'd been using them at my desk at work, hooked to my computer, and I decided to try them out on the bus ride home last night. I'd tried the various other tips from time to time, and had left on the medium sized buds, that come on them in the package. And I got a seal! Repeatedly! I guess I hadn't understood what soozieq meant by twisting them "towards you", but it worked! Basically, pretend there's a pole sticking through one ear and out the other... that's your axis of rotation. Try putting the headphones in, and rotating them clockwise or counterclockwise around that axis. Not very far, a quarter turn or less. I've had no luck doing the "pull out slightly" method, but the twisting method works well for me. So I have a seal with the regular buds. In the past few days, I've found the good bass, although strangely, I can really only get it by NOT using my DAC and amp, but rather by plugging straight into the audio out on the front of my computer. So I'm having to choose between good bass, and clean sound. But plugging the Images into my A2 when I was on the bus, the sound is wonderful. I wish I could use my A2 at work, but I'm an computer animator and I need to hear the sound clips on the computer as I scrub back and forth across my animation. If I can't figure out how to get good bass out of my DAC and amp, they may find themselves on the for sale forum, along with my 595s. I still get better sound from my earlier method of ramming the double flanges deep into my ear, but I really think I am very close to poking my eardrum and it's not all that comfortable anyway. I'm looking forward to playing around more with the regular buds. I've already sent in the request for the 2 free ear gels as being the large double flanges... who knows, maybe I'll still stick with those for superior SQ. So I've found the good bass, managed to get a good seal from the regular buds, what's my thoughts now? Sound: 9/10 (probably should be higher, but my setup is limiting me) Comfort: 7/10 (getting better... my ears are still not used to having these in them, but I can see how the regular gels will be more comfortable) Overall third impression: 8.5/10 I'm much happier with them now than I've been since getting them, and considering how much they cost, I feel like I need to be pretty happy with them to justify keeping them. I know audio gets a lot more expensive than a pair of $350 headphones, but not for me. I can't imagine there being more than one more follow-up impression to this review, as I become more (or less?) comfortable wearing these. And I intend to post a review comparing these in more detail to my 595s, KSC75s, and the Grado SR60s that I sold to the guy that sits next to me at work, DAC'd, amp'd, and not. Final impression, a month and a bit later Unless there is interest in my doing a thorough listen thru my setup, I'd prefer to sum up with saying that I wish I could wear these all the time. Listening to the Images for a while and then going the 595s makes me feel like I'm missing out on something with the 595s. The 595s have a much more recessed sound, possibly due to the differences between IEMs vs headphones, and not an issue particularly with the 595s. My setup is not extensive enough to test this, but the verdict remains. The music sounds how I want it to with the Images. I can't give them a 10/10, though because of a couple usability issues. One: I can't wear them for more than a couple hours at a time. Just the feeling of them in my ears, the pressure of having "something" in my ear canal will give me a headache if I wear them longer in a single stretch. Two: microphonics. As long as I'm sitting forward so the cord doesn't touch anything, things are great, but if I lean back and the cord drapes across my shirt, the crunching grinding muttering of the cord transmits right across everything any time I move at all, and I move a lot. I'm a fidgeter, bouncing a leg, bouncing to the music, looking around, or just moving my head a bit to look at various parts of the screen. However, despite those two annoyances, which I expect are common to IEMs, and not particularly the fault of the Images, IEMs DO have killer qualities of staying in your ears when you stretch, and not placing pressure anywhere else on your head (ears, scalp), which, come to think about it limits my headphone listening time to a couple hours at a go, too... but do yourself a favor if you've never tried IEMs... don't try eating with them in. It's not pleasant. So my final score for these (assuming they remain reasonably durable in the coming years): 9.5/10 I wish I could wear them all the time, and I hope the more I wear them the longer I'll be able to. The sound is involving. I find myself enjoying what I'm listening to more often (well, assuming it's FLAC nowadays... it'll be ok hard drive, shhh shhhh, it'll be ok). And I can listen to whatever retarded song I feel like as loud as I want without worrying about the guy next to me raising an eyebrow when "Billy Jean" comes on. You can drive these easily from whatever sound source you have, but you will appreciate the difference as you upgrade your source. I'm not sure who this review has been aimed at. Me, I guess. People who have headphones and are looking at IEMs for the first time? Hope it was useful. __________________ Setup: - maxxed out AlienDAC and MisterX XP amp - Klipsch Image, Senn HD595, Koss KSC75 - Cowon A2 previously: - Grado SR60 (I also posted this at Amazon, and Head-fi.org)

Not anymore.... must have been a pricing aberration like Dreven managed to get at Newegg or someplace. They are back at $349.99.

Just a quick note on my epoxy idea... I tried putting a dot of epoxy on the rubberized sleeve of the driver. Once it dried, it fell right off. So epoxy won't do it. Was great for the minute it was there. [] Back to the drawing board!

Hi Thump, I don't have much exposure to binarual recordings, but wish everything was done that way.... anyway, here's a buncha links to try out... I really enjoy the Ultrasone CD (which is free for download), haven't trried out the others yet, just found them now researching this for you... http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f9/legally-download-able-binaural-recordings-links-223165/

Will do! ....and here and head-fi. []

I think jt1stcav has a good point. Different tools for different uses. For sheer portability, it's hard to beat those chiclet sized flash-based players. Music that you bring with you is better than music that you leave at home because it's just too bulky to bother taking along. My A2 approaches this limit, but I only use it while sitting on the bus, and for occasional large file transfers, so its size isn't as much of an obstacle for me, and the background noise is usually not too obtrusive. If you are mostly going to be using it in noisy environments, or situations where you can't dedicate yourself to immersive listening, you aren't going to get much benefit from more advanced sound circuitry or higher bitrates. Still, with what I've read about Cowon's flash-based smaller offerings, I'd still try to steer an audiophile (e.g., someone putting $300+ into headphones) toward something by Cowon.

Dreven: Not much of a gamble, since you could order the 3's, as well, and then return the one you liked less. No muss, no fuss. Unicorns, kittens, and rainbows!

No doubt. Someone left their iPhone in the company bathroom the other day. I'd never held one before, but I had no problem quickly finding their picture folder, scrolling thru, figuring out who it belonged to, and getting it back to them. It was a really impressive interface, so much better than my A2. But eventually, you want to listen to something, or watch a movie, etc. And then the A2 wins. []

I picked up a Cowon A2 for several reasons, sound quality being one of the highest priorities (but I also wanted to watch movies, read books, share pics, etc.). I've had it for a bit over a year now. Had to send it in to Cowon once now to get the motherboard replaced when it stopped turning on, but shipping and repairs were free. I've been tremendously happy with it. With your Images, you'll be getting decent sound isolation, so good sound from your player will make a difference. I don't have my Images yet, don't know what it takes to drive them or whether an amp would make much of a difference, but my A2 can even drive my Senn595s respectably. I don't have experience with any other brand or model of MP3 player or PMP, but I bought my A2 after extensive research in the area of audio quality. Cowon is known for their top notch sound. They have a wide range of product prices and capabilities, that should suit a wide range of customers. I feel safe recommending them to a fellow audiophile.

I'm not sold on the shrinkwrap, though. You'd have to grope up and down the length of the wire to feel where it is in the dark, and easy to lose track of the wire as you grope your way back to the top again... or if you had it near the earpiece, it'd (maybe) be unsightly or look like an earing dangling from it... wouldn't fit the streamlined profile. Bumps for the win! Or, there's always epoxy.

I was thinking something like this: Click the image for a larger version... the forum is shrinking it down. Keep the bumps on the inside of the curve to maintain the exterior aesthetic. Or have them on the rear-facing side wall of the IEM (don't have a suitable image for that, but the side that faces the back of your head whene you have them on, instead of the underside).

Amy's helping me find out whether there's a distributor somewhere around me, but I'm still hoping to jump on the Image bandwagon. And now my wife is talking about "waiting for my birthday" which isn't till the end of March. Suffering succotash. I've already posted a notice on my company's forums about selling my Senn595s, so now I have to kind of hope the people that have already responded to that fall thru, or I'm going to be reduced to using my little Koss KSC75s as my primary headphones. Which are fine for what they are, but they ain't no 595s... and they certainly aren't Images. This post has been almost entirely content-free. And low in sodium. So this is me just piping in to say: keep the info coming, it's all I have for now. [8-)] Oh yeah, and would it be possible to add a little bump to the mold for the casing, Thump? I don't know how hard / expensive that would be... could someone just take a hammer and a nail and pop a little dent in the mold or something? Bound to be better / nicer than glue.

For left and right, my Senns have three tiny bumps on the armature for the left earcup. Perhaps a teensy spot of epoxy /glue /something or other on the left earpiece somewhere near where the cord connects, so you can tell by feel but would be subtle enough to not mar the looks?

Well done Dreven! I can see this thread becoming a "must see" waypoint for people looking for additional Image info. I hope this forum allows search engines to crawl it. Perhaps I should contribute something meaningful for posterity? Well, once I get my pair, I will. [] In addition to your thoughts and comparisons, I'll be able to toss in my impressions compared with Senn595s, Grado SR60s, Koss KSC75s, and my memories of the Shure E4cs, from my computer with and without my DAC and amp, and from my PMP (Cowon A2). Can you just see my wife's eyes rolling already? Audio geekery makes me happy.

Ha-ha, Dreven, I'm looking forward to your Images coming in, too.[]

My complaining about a lack of reviews comes more from a "squirming in my chair eager" but still hesitant buyers perspective, and not from a disgruntled or skeptical perspective. I know more reviews will appear as time rolls on, but you know.... me me me, now now now. Amy, thanks for your info. Unfortunately, I'm in Canada, and Klipsch.com only sells to the US. This is where my customer service troubles with support@klispch.com comes in. Ultimately, I'm left with ordering online from resellers with various return policies, and generally restocking and reshipment fees. So I'm looking for all the information I can get before making the plunge. And looking for a deal. []

Great, I look forward to your thoughts, especially how the Images compare to the sound of your Senns! I really like the highs and mids, staging and resolution, even the overall comfort of my Senns, but I'm not content with the bass... there's just not enough of it. And I can't wear them more than a couple hours without a rest. They're really good.... but not good enough. So, please post your initial thoughts, and then follow up in a week or two with any follow-up thoughts.

Well, that was quick, a day later and they are back to $350 now. sigh. I'm in the same boat you were.... really interested, but heistant about the lack of professional or consumer reviews out there (by googling: "klipsch image" review). The cheapest I'd found them was an amazon storefront merchant for $285, but now they are already up to $295. And if I'm hesitant, my wife (who isn't the audio enthusiast I am) is downright grumpy about it. I can't find any stores in my area that sell them, and Klipsch's customer support was pretty token (multiple canned responses that weren't relevant to my query). But the few comments out there are very postive. Just wish there were more of them. And I wish there was a "test drive" like you mentioned. Wouldn't that be cool? If I could find them for $250 like you did, I'd probably go ahead with the purchase, too. Good find. At one point, I had a pair of Shure E4c's, and I just didn't like them. Mostly due to the trouble it took to insert them, and discomfort once they were in. Pretty much gave up on IEMs. But it sounds like these may have overcome those problems.... if these really get to feeling like you aren't wearing anything, I might even stop looking for sales. I wear my headphones at work anywhere from 4 - 12 hours a day. I wear glasses and you get pretty tired of having your glasses pressed into your ears with regular headphones, even really comfy ones like my Senn595s. So I'm looking for a replacement, looking at these. I'll keep scrubbing this forum and head-fi.org and google, hoping to find more exposure for these.