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  1. 3 hours ago, Coytee said:

     

     

    I really can't believe I did all that and never took a picture of it, but I didn't.

    I can't believe it either!

     

    Well the on-the-side experiment proved interesting but not in the way I had expected. Basically putting the speakers that close (total width around 64" with HF on the outer ends) pretty much destroyed the soundstage I have been enjoying with the Heresy about 8' to 10' apart. And by destroyed, I mean it, yes the stereo imaging was still there but the huge spread was gone. Interestingly though, with the horns vertical, height placement was not that critical.

     

    I'm thinking I am going to have to place the speakers in the room, perhaps with small floor pockets behind to wire to & have the cabinet still roll but house only the components & fold-up TV.  We laid it all out on the floor & think it's a compromise we can live with as opposed to living with the knowledge that your listening could be better. It's not like we don't already have a motorcycle also parked in the space!

     

    Best laid plans of mice...

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  2. 3 minutes ago, RandyH said:

    I dont want to tell you not to do it , but Heresy Speakers sound great higher up , like close to 3 feet high -

      the Heresy brings out the detail in the vocals ,so the mids and the HF with a touch of bass ,but ,  they are unbeatable at ear level  , if I were in your position the Heresy speakers would be at the  far left and right but  closer to  28-30 inches high

    But remember, the horn is asymmetrical so you're actually increasing the vertical dispersion by putting them sideways, however you are compromising the horizontal.

     

     

  3. This will be the "only" system, the backstory is that this is a home we are building that has spectacular views over a Scottish sea loch and we want the ability to be able to roll the entertainment center out of the way when not in use or being used for some background music. So aside from WiFi and a power cable it's self-contained.

     

    I've spent literally weeks in front of a CAD program (Vectorworks) experimenting with speakers & placement & this option always comes back around. Our music listening is very important to us & we've found, needs to be in the area we most use. We had a home with a lovely Cornwall (IMO the best Heritage product) system in a dedicated room & another home with Klipschorns but found we rarely could afford the time to dedicate to listening only and we enjoyed being "with" the music while doing other things.

     

    I'm going to replicate the system with the IV's sideways this evening and see how that works out.

     

     

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  4. 11 hours ago, Pondoro said:

    Many consoles of that era fired the woofers out the ends. Perhaps you could put a set of Heresy horns in front and fire the woofers out the ends. I'd still draw it ten times trying to get an entire unmodified Heresy in. I truly love that design but dropping a Heresy pair in is the best way to not mess up the sound.

     

    Or the bottom? But the 12's crossover fairly high though (around 700Hz) for that?

     

    What about the Heratige Soundbar, pricey & I'd be ignoring the center drivers but is this worth considering? I would be able to stay with a tube amp too.

     

    https://www.klipsch.com/products/heritage-theater-bar

     

     

  5. Thanks all, these are some fantastic ideas & some already along the lines of my thoughts. The more I consider this the more (as you y'all say above) I realize that something outside the Heritage range will always be "meh". I don't have the speaker design chops to replicate a 10" version of the cabinet but side mounting the 12s is very intriguing, maybe just remount the horns to to top of the cabinet & flip it end on?

     

    Agreed, the simplest solution is the sideways Heresys, going back to the tape measure...I also considered a new baffle board with the horns rotated but the spacing doesn't allow for that.

     

    This is the design the cabinet will be based on, obviously without the open shelves;

     

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  6. I'm designing an old school-eque entertainment center system, this will be in the form of a window bench (on castors) with a lift up lid hiding a Samsung Frame TV and stereo built in. The front will fold down for stereo music only listening with my NAD M12 as the hub. Think old school Grandparent's Mantovani listening set up with a modern twist!

     

    So I need some speakers I can build into this unit & the problem I'm having is, after years with K-Horns, La Scalas, Cornwalls & now Heresy IVs I just can't leave the tonal signature of the Heritage series behind but the IVs are just too large to fit. So...would I be happy with the Heritage Soundbar (albeit an expensive proposition considering I'll not hook up the centers) or the RP series or am I going to be forever wishing for "real" Heritage?

     

    Or is there another option I haven't considered? Something custom perhaps? Dimensions are flexible but doubling as a bench it needs to be a low seating height.

     

     

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  7. #1 - True but only to an extent; in live sound where we are sometime forced to use extremely long cable runs we do try & match the lengths between left & right as the R/L/C does come into play over these runs which of course are largely irrelevant in the 6' or so you use at home, Dave Rat did some interesting videos comparing types of cable & coiling - 

     

     

    #2 - Tube Sound: often as not it's transformer sound but no one ever talks about rolling their iron!

     

    #3 - Digital digits are certainly not capable of being distorted in the signal path, they are however very susceptible to being dropped & mis-clocked, not all digital is the same by any means

     

    All covered of course by Bruce Rozenblit in his book "Audio Reality."

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  8. 10 hours ago, RL1 said:

    For listening

    If you're looking to replicate a sound similar to the Funktion Ones the Klipsch are going to be a long way from that. Tony Andrews (actually an old friend) is famous for keeping paper cones in the vocal range & staying out of compression drivers until 5K or above, the Dance Stack 10" drivers go from 227Hz to 5.04K. Conversely, Cornwalls go into the 1st compression driver at 700Hz, the RF7s at 1.2K. Not saying it's bad & in fact, the Klipsch will give you a very punchy, dynamic, aggressive & bright sound. It just won't be smooth like the F1's. And yes, I love the sound of the Heresys too!

     

    Another thing to consider for high volume EDM is your choice of amplifier. The genre has forced professional manufacturers like L'Acoustics and d&b to re-engineer some of their products to cope with the extreme high frequency energy demanded of these systems.

  9. Very lightly used Cornwall IIIs in excellent condition, one very small knock on the back corner which happened during the original shipping & I decided to live with. Consecutive numbers and grain matched. Due to downsizing I'm looking for a pair of Heresy IV to replace these.

    Happy to do a straight trade or...$2,800 for the pair.

     

    Speakers are in Dallas, TX - I have the original paper work but not the boxes.

     

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  10. I noticed that when I got to a certain delay that the center channel image faded or blended in better. But on further delay it reappeared then disappeared again.

    Congratulations! You have both discovered the secret to setting center (or any other delay) and have refined your listening skills to a very high level to be able to do this.

  11. ...bored afternoon in endless rehearsals so I counted anyway, here's what I have all this week;

    30 x Crown IT1200 at 4,500 WPC stereo and 42 L'Acoustics LA-8s at 1,800 WPC, 4 channels. All running at 4 ohms, powered by 3 phase A/C capable of 500 amps per leg.

    I make that a total of 572,400 watts total? Add in another 12 Crown 36x12s in monitor land if you like.

    Tell your lunch room guy to go spread that on his sandwich.

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