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the PB takes up a little too much floor space... i was thinking of the "PC" round subs.... little smaller footprint. good deal though.

hmmm, i was thinking more along the lines of: 1. sub 2. amp for mains 3. surrounds maybe i will see if i can find someone wanting to part with a sub for a good price. take some time but i am not in a hurry.

that's what i thought from reading stuff. but without being able to actually see how big or listen. wasn't sure what it sounded like or if it would pass the wife test my sc-05 has the ability to bi-amp using the back surround/b channel amps. i hooked it up.. it does make a difference! especially in the lows. really want to go 7.1 so guess i just justified an amp. wow at least another $1,000 for an amp and sub... this is getting expensive! and i havent even replaced the back speakers yet!

anyone care to chime in on the sub issue? RW-10d Subwoofer -vs- sub-10 -vs- PC12-NSD looking for small form factor but still decient sound..

ok, guess i need to look for a good amp too then.......

i'm in the dallas area... i would love to deal with the sub issue first. everyone is saying i need an amp.. the receiver i have isn't wimpy. just wondering how much difference it is really going to make.....

thanks for the reply bill, guess i need to see if i can "test drive" an amp somehow and see if it makes enough differend that i can justify the cost. as for the sub, would love a 2" square cube base. but i don't think we are there yet with technology. may never be from what i understand about how sound reproduction works. (btw i read a lot but am not an expert in any of this stuff by any means) what i am really looking for is just a "bump" on the low end of my system. the 63's will rock without a sub. any suggestions. if it matters i listen to about 60/40 movies/music with this system. thanks Mike

about a week ago i purchased 2 rf-63's and a rc-64 center channel and hooked them up to my pioneer sc-05 amp. for about the first week i was listening at low volumes, just letting them break in..... then i decided to see what these things would do, and that's when the trouble started. At -25 my wife left the room. At -15 a picture fell off the wall and the glass broke. (didn't realize this till later.) At -10 wife retured to the room. (gave me a dirty look) I got scared and turned it down... but seriously, The sc-05 is pushing 130w per channel, how much difference would i see from a dedicated amp, enough to justify the cash.. or am i at the point of diminishing return? sub? don't need to add a lot of bass, but would like to cover from 50hz down below what the rf-63 does, which i beleive is 30hz.. so i guess i am looking for a sub to cover from about 15hz to 50hz. don't want to spend a fortune, and the sub size is an issue, needs to be as small as possible. any suggestions? btw, my first klipsch speakers, my first higher end setup.. and i am loving it so far. now to 1800flowers to try and repare the damage a little

i have decided 2 thing in this journey i have found myself on. 1) i am not going to wait 10 years again before updating my system. 2) i am not going to get in a hurry just yet and spend a lot of money just to find i really wanted something else. My immediate need is to update my equipment to something better. I am at the point where the existing stuff is actually not functioning properly. which is what started this whole thing to begin with. So i am going to turn my attention to an AV receiver for the moment. give myself a month or two. I am both glad and sad that i placed this post on the forums.... glad because i have found what appears to be a good group of people who are willing to give out GOOD real world advice for FREE! and sad because now i have decided to pospone my purchases for a while and do some more research. and no i didn't talk the wife into letting me move the furniture out of the room so i can put in klipschhorns... thanks everyone for the comments on this very very long thread.

Just sitting here wondering what i just got myself into.. [:S]

How important are walls around these things, i only have two corners.. one in the front and one in the back... due to the layout the other 2 corners are occupied by entrances, exits or half height wall opening to another room.... building a wall for the front right is problematic due to the mechanical layout of the house. i can't beleive this **** .... you guys are evil.... I went from no way to entertaining the idea in less than 3 days! in a week you will have me convinced that chairs are not necessary and a waste space..... and that i should remove them so i can get more speakers in the room! I really think i should stick with the RF's for now.... maybe sometime in the future i can upgrade to "the last speakers i will ever need to buy"..

Your killing me here guy..... I just don't think i could convince my wife to move half the furniture out of the room so i can setup my new speakers

Would you happen to have a URL to those rf83's that are for sale? sound very interesting.

OMG... i would die a slow death if i tried to put that in my house

but but but, they are HUGE! oh my wife would not be pleased at all about that, you are definatly right on that one...... i am having a hard time convencing here that the rf-63 are not to big. I am glad to hear someone say that it doesn't take 20 or 30 grand to build a good sounding system. The Heritage series may sound amazing, but I am not sure I can pull that off... I go putting 6 of these in a room of this house and I may be looking for another house and another wife! I maybe could get away with putting 2 of them in as the mains. I suspect i will end up going with the rf-63 set...... simply to reduce the ouch factor where she is concerned... They look good and while larger than what she is used to.... nowhere near the size of what your talking about. This give me an initial budget of 1500 to 2500 for the starting component to drive them, with another 2000 to 3000 for additions later in the year.... so the question is.. I currently know basiclly nothing about the different components, and reading reviews is useless for the most part... I can never tell if it's a real review or a marketing BS.. I also do not know enough about the subject to really tell the differences. My initial thought was to just buy a pioneer sc-09tx and call it done.. it has good power and more features than i would ever need.... along with a 4,500 + price tag.... my main question is could i do better for less money going seperates.... if so what would be a good configuration to look for in the 3 to 4 thousand total price range. lets just say I am buying all new, and if I can find deals... that will just make it that much better. I need a way to get from nothing to a WOW system.. The OMG system will have to wait till i get a house with a dedicated room where i will not catch as much flack about it.