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1 hour ago, wvu80 said:
Your version of Audyssey has more and different options than the low-level Audyssey in the Onk 717 and the higher-end Audyssey in the Marantz 6011. Glad to hear you are settling in on what works best for you.
When I got my first modern AVR, the Onk 717 in 2014 I was completely overwhelmed with the options Audyssey offered. Even with the automatic settings it took me about 3 months of constant fiddling to try all the hundreds of different settings and codec combinations to figure out what sounded the best with my speakers and my ears.
I don't fiddle now like I used to, but I have started trying the "Dynamic Volume" setting in the 6011. I like it better than I thought I would as the sound is very full with the RF-83's for low volume TV watching.
Thanks. My Pioneer was 10 years old and even back then it was a lower-mid level AVR. I believe the X2400 is a higher level model and certainly has more options and settings. I'm not done with settings and adjustments and will continue experimenting with different sound modes.
Codec combination wise, I kept my Pioneer in I believe it called "Standart" mode that would pick the highest available on the disc audio format like Dolby True HD or DTS Master and I think I found the mode that ding the same on the Denon. Actually the Denon has 3 such modes: Direct, Pure Direct and Auto Direct. The rest of the movie modes sound too artificial and unrealistic imo.
I need to get two small speakers for Atmos channels and then I'll be set up for Doldy Atmos.
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1 hour ago, RoboKlipsch said:
i find dynamic eq to be the best feature of audyssey
at lower volumes it boosts the bass and surrounds along a curve to match your hearing
dynamic volume heck no may as well listen to tv sound lol
I'm not saying it's bad, but since I don't watch movies at low volumes, well, I'm not cranking it to the max either, I didn't hear much difference between dynamic EQ On and Off. I'm still experimenting and might turn it On again. Imo turning off Dynamic Volume, Cinema EQ, Loudness Management, and Dynamic compression significantly improved the sound and made it fuller and much more realistic.
I've watched Geostorm yesterday and with those settings ON a very specific and easily recognizable Gerard Butler's voice and his Scottish accent were anything but his. A taxi door closing sounded like a vault door and explosions and gunshots sounded way too unrealistic. I watched some episodes 4-5 times before I found a proper setting.
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Just for the history, I turned everything off and spend a few hrs yesterday playing with different settings.
At the end, I left Audyssey ON:
MultEQ On Reference Level
Dynamic EQ ON
Dynamic Volume Off
Dialog Level Adjust +1dB
Sub Level Adjust -6dB
Cinema EQ Off
Loudness Management Off
Dynamic compression Off
The manual EQ, I turned Audyssey off and lowered the Xo for the surrounds to 80Hz and kept all other settings as is, sounds a bit harsh and less realistic in some situations, but anyway, turning off most of the "audio nannies" dramatically improved the sound and I think even raised the loudness a bit.
Now I need a pair of small speakers and I'll be ready for Atmos.
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On 1/23/2018 at 10:07 AM, wvu80 said:
On my Marantz 6011 Audyssey and Manual EQ are mutually exclusive.
If you and Audyssey can't agree on what sounds good, turn Audyssey off and manually EQ to what ever sounds right to your ears.
Between myself and Audyssey, Audyssey is smarter. Whenever I mess with setting manually and screw up the sound, I break out the calibration mic and Audyssey always restores order.
Looks like Audyssey has over smarted me as well.
I turned everything off and spend a few hrs yesterday playing with different settings. At the end, I left Audyssey ON:
MultEQ On Reference Level
Dynamic EQ Off
Dynamic Volume Off
Dialog Level Adjust +2dB
Sub Level Adjust -3dB
Cinema EQ Off
Loudness Management Off
Dynamic compression Off
The manual EQ, I turned Audyssey off and lowered the Xo for the surrounds to 80Hz and kept all other settings as is, sounds a bit harsh and less realistic in some situations, but anyway, turning off most of the "audio nannies" dramatically improved the sound.
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11 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:
I use a pair of r15ms as back surrounds and they do fine. Honestly if you already havd them use them, but if not I would look to get a used pair of rb41s as they are cheap, match your other speakers and are higher quality. i say this as someone who owns both the r15ms and rb51s. for height they should be fine. i often see pairs of used rp140s cheap used too, another good option.
Yeap, they caught my attention cuz they are pretty cheap (I've seen used pairs in great condition for $100) and match my other speakers. I haven't seen any cheap dedicated "Atmos" speakers and paying $300-400 for a pair of R-14SA or RP-140SA is "a bit" more than I can afford.
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Do you think the R-14M would perform good enough as height speakers? I'm looking to add 2 down firing Atmos speakers and size and budget wise the R-14M look like a good choice. I'm planning to put them above my fronts and angle them down toward the MLP.
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I don't know about Onkyo, but Denon receivers display "Dolby Atmos" when decoding Atmos.
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11 hours ago, RoboKlipsch said:
If you ran manual yes i would use the speaker level and distance settings Audyssey provides. In fact theres manual mode that does that for you and then does NOT copy the eq filters over.
I believe multieq is on or off, it simply doesnt show the xt part in the screen it may be generic.
Any tips on what to turn on/off when Audyssey is off?
I've switched Audyssey off yesterday and most of the options got grayed out, I think only Cinema EQ and something else stayed ON.
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I'm a newbie and probably not a real audiophile, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
I know that everyone suggests to cross frequency at 80Hz or above for all speakers no matter how capable they are and that lowers the load on the amp and smooths the sound and ppl with much more capable and sophisticated systems are following this rule and I'm sure those systems sound absolutely fantastic. However, imo my old set up sounded fuller and more natural when fronts and center were set to full and my sub was set to sub+ .
I couldn't set crossover for fronts, center and surrounds separately with my Pioneer, so I got a Denon. Audyssey set my fronts to Full (I changed it to Small and crossed them at 40 Hz), center to small 60Hz and surrounds to small 150Hz (that's seems too high to me, but I haven't changed it yet) and the set up sounds better, more natural vs when I'v tried to cross all speakers at 80Hz.
Again, take my opinion with caution, but if I were you, I would try to set your fronts as Full and set the Sub as "Sub+" and cross the center and surrounds at 100Hz, since you can't go 80Hz.
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7 minutes ago, dtel said:
Great news, was reading this but never commented, love when things work out.
How many here turn off Audyssey
Well I never met the girl but I bet I could turn her off.
Carry on.....................
ok, let's say I would turn off Audyssey MultEQ. Would you recommend to keep speaker levels where Audyssey set them up or not? Imo Audyssey sounds pretty good, I haven't decided yet if I like the Denon's/Audyssey sound better than the Pioneer/MCACC and prefer the easiest way to calibrate my set up. I'm ok with minor adjustments and turning On and OFF certain things, but I doubt I'll be able to calibrate the system "from the scratch" on my own.
Sorry if it's dumb question. The X2400 has Audyssey MultEQ XT and shows MulEQ XT on the screen while Audyssey set up is running, but after the calibration is completed it shows an option to turn on (or not) MultEQ and shows MultEQ(no XT part) in Audyssey set up section. Is it just a way how Denon set it up or missing "XT" part means that somehow MultEQ XT is deactivated and MultEQ is in use?
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On 1/20/2018 at 2:05 PM, Zen Traveler said:
Not sure what you mean by points but if you are talking about numbers on the Main Volume I would think moderately loud would be -25 to -22 with "0" being Reference Level. I usually play DVD concerts loud at -18 to -16, along with movies all of the way to -3 to -6, which is admittedly loud but very AWESOME. Fwiw, if your max volume goes up to +10 then anything in the -25 to -18 should sound pretty good unless you are hearing distortion.
I'm not good with dB and was referring to the volume level shown on the display of the Denon and Pioneer. The Denon volume goes from 0 to 98, Pioneer's from 0 to 90. According to the specs the Denon should be louder, however in reality it's not. I found the option in the menu to increase the Source Level and increased to +6dB (it goes from 0 to +12 dB) and it helped some, but not much.
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ok. We are back in business.
Surprisingly (or not) my new calibration results are identical to the first and second one except the subwoofer and crossover point for surrounds
Front left -6, Front right -4.5 set as Full (I changed it to small, crossed at 40Hz)
Center -8 set as Small crossed at 60Hz
Sub -7.5 (was set at 1/4 of volume during the calibration)
Surr left -3.5, Surr right -5 set as Small crossed at 150Hz (used to be 120 Hz)
LPF of LFE 120Hz
MultEQ On Reference -5dB
Dynamic EQ ON
Dynamic Volume OFF
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On 1/20/2018 at 8:40 PM, RoboKlipsch said:
SOME models of Denon, including my x4000, turn on and off the various amp channels as it calibrates. Between each speaker you hear a click as it turns off those channels and turns on others. The amp channels are discrete and thats how it does it. My older 3808ci does not do this (at least audibly) but the x4000 does. I believe that is your issue and is normal. Thr x4000 also does this as different sources come in, just part of how it works. Even as it goes between programs and commercials and the processing changes i.e. dolby digital to something else...it clicks.
It sounded like a non stop cracking noise and did'n sound like an input or channel switch clicks. According to Denon support it sounded like the microprocessor had some issues and they advised to ran a hard reset. Unfortunately the reset didn't help, so I've exchanged the unit and the new one makes no such noise, it's absolutely quiet between test tones.
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Zen Traveler, thanks for the reply.
I'll go through it later when I get a new receiver.
I spoke to Denon support and they said that my Audyssey "cracking noise" most likely is related to a defective microprocessor. After the hard reset the frequency and loudness of the noise has changed, but it still present, so I'm exchanging the receiver.
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1 hour ago, Zen Traveler said:
Dunno. Somewhere on here I started a thread where folks could post their trim level settings and experience but it didn't catch on...If you are worried something didn't calibrate correctly feel free to post your trim/gain levels here and possibly someone could help if they don't look correct.
I've seen your thread, but I'm completely new to Audyssey and not good with dB, so I can't contribute anything to conversation. Imo the Audyssey is very easy to run and after dropping the surrounds level I like the sound, the only issue that the overall loudness level is low. I posted my concerns here
in my old thread about calibration and since I've been helped in the past, I hope to get a few answers and opinions this time as well.
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I don't see any fresh threads about Audyssey calibration and instead of a new one, I decided to continue my old thread.
I got a new Denon X2400H a few days ago and have a few issues and concerns abot the AVR and Audyssey.
When I'm running Audyssey I hear weird light cracking sound, like an electrical noise, but it sounds more like cracking, not humming, coming from all speakers simultaneously, except the sub . The noise is audible only when the setup is paused, so you can move the microphone. When the mic is set and I press "next" the noise stops and the test tone starts, and as soon as the test tone stops, the noise starts again. I reran the Audyssey yesterday again, this time with a tripod and absolute silence and herd the same noise again...
Is it possible banana plugs (Mediadbridge 24K gold plated) that I used for the Denon are causing some interference with Audyssey test signal?
My first and yesterday's runs set speaker levels and distances absolutely identically:
Front (RF-82II) -Large Full range (I crossed it at 40Hz)
Center RC-62II) -Small crossed at 60Hz
Surrounds (SS-1) -Small crossed at 120Hz
Audyssey set Speaker level:
Front Left -6.5dB Right -4.5dB
Center -8dB
Surround Left -3.5 Right -5dB
Sub -12dB
MultEQ- On
Dynamic EQ -ON
Dynamic Volume-ON
I watched a few movies and different episodes and had to lower the surround level to Left -5dB Right -6.5dB, cuz they were way to loud and intrusive. Besides that I haven't changed anything yet.
The second issue I have is the Denon's very low loudness level. My Pioneer has a 250W power supply and 80 Watt per channel rated at 20-20K Hz, and has a maximum volume level displayed on the display of 90 points. The Denon has a 500W power supply and rated at 95 WPC at 20-20Kz and has maximum volume level of 98 points. I don't like really loud sounds and my Pioneer volume in HT mode usually stayed between 33 and 38 points or 12-15 points less than the halve of the maximum. In order to get to the same level of the audible loudness, I have to turn the Deon's volume to 45-50 and even 50+ points or halve of the maximum. I don't know if this is the correct assumption, but I'm assuming that since the Denon should be louder, the volume points should be noticeably lower than the half of its maximum volume.
One more concern. No mater for how long my Pioneer was on in HT mode and even in stereo mode running at 3/4 of the maximum loudness for a few hours its top never got hot to the touch. The Denon is getting much hotter only after a few hours of running at halve of the maximum volume. Does it means the Pioneer has more efficient and better designed power supply and power board? I was under impression that since the Pioneer is an entry level AVR and the Denon is a mid level, the Denon should be better designed and built.
Any opinions, especially form Denon owners are welcome. Thanks.
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11 hours ago, Zen Traveler said:
Fwiw, that is highly unusual and shouldn't be happening.
I rerun Audyssey yesterday again and the had the same noise. No errors, everything went smooth, but the noise is clearly present...
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I wouldn't describe it as clicking. The noise is something like constant light knuckle cracking and again the noise is audible only when "move the microphone to the next position" or something like that is shown on the screen and the set up in the "pause" mode and was coming at the same level from all speakers. As soon as I hit "next" the knuckle cracking noise stops and test tone starts. The sub was set as 1/2 of volume per on screen setting guide. The calibration went through with no errors, but that noise is bugging me. I'll try to rerun Audyssey with no sub.
I got Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume, but can't find anything about knuckle cracking noise.
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1 hour ago, wvu80 said:
Can't find anything on-line about Audyssey? Gack! The bigger problem is there is so much stuff it's hard to read it all. Here is the AVSforum.com Audyssey Official Thread with nearly 5,000 comments. Good luck sifting through that thread! (do read the FAQ)
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Audyssey calibrates your system to Reference level, which is 82 db in most AVRs (sometimes 80). Unless you are listening at Reference levels the sound can be a little thin IMO. It's perfect balance at Reference Levels.
I have two AVRs with Audyssey, a med level and high level version. I always use Dynamic EQ. Lately I have been using Dynamic Loudness in the Marantz SR6011 and found it adds much more "body" to lower level listening, especially TV audio. You might try turning on Dynamic Loudness and try the three levels of compression (light, medium, heavy), decide for yourself if it helps.
Edit: I would point out that @Davis commented he does NOT use Dynamic Volume. That is the opinion of the majority who run Audyssey, including me until just lately. I've had Audyssey in an AVR for 3 years and it was only in the last few weeks I decided to turn it on and play with the various compression levels.
I was searching for Audyssey cracking and Audyssey noise and never seen that thread for some reason.
I went through but haven't found what I'm looking for, so I guess I need to go through FAQ and 5K comments...
edit: can someone just tell me why I'm hearing cracking or post a link?
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50 minutes ago, Davis said:
Sounds as if you have Dynamic volume turned on.
I do not use Dynamic Volume.
Play with the different filter settings and give it a little time and see if you like it or not.
Double check your speaker distance settings.
I was under the impression that your first mic location was at the main listening position. This first mic location is the only position that sets the distances and it should be centered between the L and R nearest the main listening position.
Not doing this caused the distances to be wrong .
Yes, my first mic position was the main listening position, exactly where it should be according to on screen guidance. don't remember if my Dynamic volume is on or of.
I watched something after the set up and heard no "cracking", the noise appears only during the set up. I'll try to rerun Audyssey again I guess.
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I got my Denon X2400H yesterday and tried to run Audessey yesterday for the first time. I never dealt with Audyssey before and can't find anything online about it. During the set up my speakers were emitting light cracking noise that would stop as soon as the est tone starts. The noise was present only when the setup was paused between changing the mic locations. Is it normal?
Another thing, after I ran the Audyssey the overall loudness went down, any way to bump it up?
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1 hour ago, The History Kid said:
Probably close to the same, 50. Maybe 60.
But Denon has a 500W power supply vs Pioneer's 250W???
57 minutes ago, vasubandu said:@dimanata2007 This was explained to me here, but I forget who told me, and I have verified it elsewhere. You need to get the manual and look for maximum power consumption or the equivalent. That states the maximum power that the amp can draw. It cannot output more than it draws, so divide that number by the number of channels and you have your real-world answer.
For example, the VSX 819H manual says 110 x5. The manual at page 69 says
Amplifier section Continuous average power output of 80 watts*
per channel, min., at 8 ohms, from 20 Hz to 20 000 Hz with no
more than 0.2 %** total harmonic distortion. Front (stereo) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .80 W + 80 W
In the column to the right, it says
Power Requirements . . . . . . . . . AC 120 V, 60 Hz
Power Consumption. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 250 W
And that is the number that counts. If it is driving 5 channels, it can provide a maximum of 5 watts to each channel if they all are demanding that much or more.
If I understand my research correctly, the thing is that all five speakers will never make simultaneous maximum demands. I am not sure about this, but I suspect that they use some algorithm to come up with a real work maximum. And I have to say that the lawyer in me is thinking class action lawsuit. The way they state the power is deceptive in a harmful way because most people are just going to believe it. That just seems wrong.
Maybe the lawyer in you can help us all to make same $$$ and get proper equipment?
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1 hour ago, willland said:
That 110w x 5 is most likely at 6ohms and with only two channels driven.
Maybe get something like your Luxman R-117 driving your Chorus IIs?
You won't find an AVR that can do that, but a quality outboard amp can.
Bill
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How many here turn off Audyssey
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Question: I know that Audyssey is checking and adjusting a bunch of different parameters, but besides the difference between the manufacturers specs and the way the speaker perform in my room with the rest of the equipment is there another explanation why my surrounds SS-1 that speced at 60-20k Hz are crossed at 150Hz by Audyssey? If I recall correctly MCACC was crossing the same speakers at 80Hz. And looks like unless switch to manual there is no way to lower the Xo point and I know that it's not advised.