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2 minutes ago, CECAA850 said:
They're pumping the brakes on the openings here. The governor is trying to balance public safety with the need for people to work. It's a balancing act and I don't envy him. No matter what you do, half the state will be upset.
You're right there. Austin isn't near as bad?? but I'm not sure we've see it all. Huge parties are helpful. https://communityimpact.com/austin/lake-travis-westlake/coronavirus/2020/06/26/following-party-that-saw-covid-19-positive-attendees-lakeway-mayor-urges-social-responsibility/
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1 hour ago, CECAA850 said:
No, say it isn't so.
Figures Houston..... helping TX get locked down again. Wait for all the other states. We might have a real pandemic on our hands. DOH 😮
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21 hours ago, jimjimbo said:
Parties, not protests, are causing a rise in Covid cases. Party on.
Of course the protesting has not contributed to the rise. It has to be the partying.
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3 minutes ago, Deang said:
Since this is now available on the net, I can post it.
Note the date.
Makes too much sense. If you can stop even 50%, then we should. Just be smart on when it is needed and when the mask is not. We don't want more accidents because people aren't getting enough oxygen.
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12 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
Why do you “hate” to say that masks need to be worn? What is so awful and hard about wearing a mask? There’s an entire holiday where people wear masks for fun (Halloween) so why the angst about wearing them now? The answer is a behavioral ‘twirk ’. Too many souls are way overly sensitive to accepting the directions of others regardless of practicality, safety or common sense. Don’t begrudgingly accommodate the need to wear a mask. Champion the need. It is so insanely simple that everyone should relish participating in doing something that can truly make a huge difference in life....... whether they understand it, or agree with it.
7 minutes ago, pzannucci said:Well don't want the flames coming out from the "anti-mask" folks but yes 100% agreement, that's seems to be the best mitigation technique we have that is very easily implemented. I always say something "kind of" under my breath when I walk past someone without a mask in a Costco, Walmart, or other stores. I think these folks believe they are making a point. I just can't believe they are that ignorant, particularly when they are cruising through even with their early teens, probably trying to make a point... The point is until you try to slow this down again, you are just helping crush us again.
Case in point:
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Just now, Bosco-d-gama said:
Why do you “hate” to say that masks need to be worn? What is so awful and hard about wearing a mask? There’s an entire holiday where people wear masks for fun (Halloween) so why the angst about wearing them now? The answer is a behavioral ‘twirk ’. Too many souls are way overly sensitive to accepting the directions of others regardless of practicality, safety or common sense. Don’t begrudgingly accommodate the need to wear a mask. Champion the need. It is so insanely simple that everyone should relish participating in doing something that can truly make a huge difference in life....... whether they understand it, or agree with it.
Well don't want the flames coming out from the "anti-mask" folks but yes 100% agreement, that's seems to be the best mitigation technique we have that is very easily implemented. I always say something "kind of" under my breath when I walk past someone without a mask in a Costco, Walmart, or other stores. I think these folks believe they are making a point. I just can't believe they are that ignorant, particularly when they are cruising through even with their early teens, probably trying to make a point... The point is until you try to slow this down again, you are just helping crush us again.
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10 hours ago, Deang said:
That's terrible.
Testing is confirming that most cases are 20-49 years old, and 2 in 5 are asymptomatic. The horse is out of the barn now, and without mitigation and enforcement, and some stop movement orders -- we could be in very serious trouble by the end of summer.
Hate to say you need to wear a mask but... everyone who can not stay a reasonable distance from others really must wear a mask. I'm not sure that stay in place really matters. It is mostly the folks that don't want to stop their respiration output to be impeded. I firmly believe that will stop a significant portion of the transfer but there are too many fools that still continue to walk around in close proximity in the stores (not counting protests) without facial coverings. I agree we'll eventually be exposed but lets get the world back in order and lower the infection rate numbers to less than the flu so we can all get on with life until there is a better mitigation.
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19 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
Yes the world is a mess. People think they have the right to harass anyone because they "have just cause". The problem is that if the pendulum swings the other way, they change their tune. I don't agree with everyone's views on what they are doing to attack the virus but I formulate my opinion and leave it. The people that do this really don't know why they do it. More of a GROUP THINK and herd mentality vs. personal rationalization and justification. Sad these people can't just leave these folks alone. it will all come out in the end (hopefully).
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1 minute ago, Marvel said:
I believe more that we are still throwing spaghetti on the wall and seeing what sticks...
Some things are working... some more than others and some not at all .
Better than throwing something else up against the wall but you are definitely right. Perhaps all that sticks may solve 50-60% of this. That would be nice other than you hope what they throw at you will work when the time comes, if it comes.
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48 minutes ago, CECAA850 said:
I don't know how it is in other areas but here there's massive amounts of free testing going on. When you compare that to say a month ago when testing was difficult to obtain if not impossible it's no wonder rates are spiking. Is the spike in positives due to the opening up of things or just more testing? I think they're both contributing.
Incorrect assumptions for analysis. Only one assumption, there is a spike, must be the reopening. Better go back to lockdown mode to slow the spread... a um and crush the economy. Then we can add all the collateral damage on top of the coronavirus deaths when the postmortem is done.
They have already figured out that people don't do good in lockdowns and are very unhappy leading to alcohol and drug use, depression, and death. The people recommending it have ulterior motives.
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6 hours ago, Mallette said:
Careful, guys. 178 pages now. Some gray areas but OK so far. Just don't cross the line. Question is not how other countries are doing but how we are doing...which is pretty badly. Texas and Arkansas opening up and Arkansas shooting upwards like a rocket. Texas not doing so well either. Both show the hoax starting to spread after a downturn within a week of the phased openings. These are continuing even though the curves have resumed with a passion. One of my friends is in a hoax ICU with this hoax virus right now. Just wear the mask and don't spread the hoax. I REALLY do not want to die from a hoax.
Dave
Testing has also skyrocketed so we probably need to be careful and wait on the actual numbers that get in trouble with it (not that those numbers are very helpful but..).
On the positive side, it looks like we are well into the "learning phase" for treatment. Cases continue to go up but death rate continues to go down. Either we are learning something or the virus is losing it's virility. One could wish.
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8 hours ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
Y’know - all bets are off the table. The ‘people’ are making their own decisions about what’s next for covid19. They’ve heard the warnings, witnessed the sickness/deaths and have been informed of the better choices and now they independently decide. Now we will truly see what covid19 is about, what Americans are about. I am not blaming any level of gov’t. The wheels have come loose on a runaway train and nobody can pull it back together. It’s gonna do what it’s gonna do. And later on after all is finished, then they can figure out what went goofy and why. All I know for certain is how to best secure my own circumstances and those I care for. I hope you all are in good stead also.
I think there is so much happening at this point in time, all you can do is protect yourself as much as possible. I firmly believe you can't control this nor shut down the world for a year or two (particularly if the vaccine only helps say 25% of the people). Life has to run it's course.
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9 hours ago, Deang said:11 hours ago, Deang said:
So, you think people without symptoms are running out and getting diagnostic testing? Why would they do that?
“The numbers are only going up because of testing” is BS. The numbers are going up because everything is opening back up.No one seeks out a diagnostic test for COVID-19 unless they are showing symptoms. Why would they? The people getting tested now are the same ones that were getting tested before - the obviously sick ones. So, if there is more testing, it is because there are more sick people - those who are symptomatic. Remember, before more testing was available, those with COVID like symptoms were just declared positive and treated as such.
Asymptomatic people are for the most part avoiding being tested because of the hassle associated with a positive test result.
I did the antibody test because I’m teleworking. I may be stuck at home, but I’m being paid. A positive test result wouldn’t have impacted my pay. Most don’t have that luxury.
Well, just looking at two hot states and people that THINK they have symptoms but....
TX 1,463,851 tests given and 87,854 positive - Just 6% positive so 94% THINK they have it.
TX 1,409,992 tests given and 75,568 positive - Just 5.3% positive so 94.7% THINK they have it.
So the answer is YES to your first point.
Not a good hit ratio so i wouldn't focus on this for the premise.
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10 hours ago, billybob said:
There is more testing and more being tested positive. Some with symptoms, asymptomatic.
All I know is , it is going up again, and it is anybody's guess where it will be by end of summer. It would
behoove folk to keep their guard up, while others are going out.
Someone is testing positive, don't let it be you.
Yup, everyone loves a little peaceful protesting, sprinkled with a little rioting, looting, and death while being crammed together like sardines. Definitely helped the cause to stifle the virus.
We we worried about the people on the beaches early on with spring break. That didn't seem to materialize but we better watch now. I hope I'm wrong.
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4 hours ago, Dave A said:
Whats with the big font size?
We're getting old!
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4 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
Misinformation...... here’s a sad article about a tragic tale. The sadness of the article is it’s title that proclaims that a ‘perfectly healthy’ 16 y/o dies in 24 from covid19 - another tragic victim of this pandemic. One look at the young man exposes the real truth. He was morbidly obese - huge. Somehow morbidly obese now translates into ‘perfectly healthy’. Instead of the article correctly identifying a key factor known to add morbidity to this disease so that others should learn from his mistake they forgive the mistake as something ‘normal’. The victim did not need to accept responsibility and neither did his parents. Being overweight, fat, tubby is NOT healthy and if you get covid19 you will see why - big time.
https://people.com/health/16-year-old-dies-suddenly-from-covid-19/
Pretty sad, for him and the story itself. Seeing the second picture, they are blaming all the stuff like diabetes on COVID (If I read the article right) but being 16 and that size, if you don't have it, you will soon. Likely most underlying conditions would not have been known if he was let to get to that size. Likely didn't go to the doctor or get a physical to help resolve the problems he had. Bad and sad all the way around. Yes you have to take a little responsibility since the current culture is "Everything is done to me" vs. "I can take control".
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1 hour ago, Marvel said:
CO2 is a by-product of industrial waste, fuel burning and other things. We could add in NO2, although those dropped a lot over China while they were locked down. Same with a lot of Europe. Probably here as well, but we are as bad as Europe and China have been.
I was going to add, India was 1/2 on what China was for the CO2 and we were 1/4 (approx.)
There are a lot of forms of pollution.
When we exhale, we produce carbon dioxide as a byproduct. Without this vital exchange, our cells would quickly die and leave the body to suffocate. Since the lungs process air, they are the only internal organs that are constantly exposed to the external environment.
We need to hold our breath more.
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6 hours ago, Dave A said:
Right and the doctors testifying about Hydroxy who collected data they personally observed were dismissed as anecdotal here. Can't have it both ways. They too have kept tabs on things and the discrediting of the flawed and biased Lancet report so many relied upon was "scientific" and to be relied upon as gospel. That's my whole point in all this namely deliberate obfuscation of pertinent details means it is not just or even mainly about keeping people safe from the scourge of wuhan red death it is about control of our lives and unless they can panic us we would never give up these rights up.
How was that scientific when it was an observational study. Anyone thinking that and reading past the first little bit of it should have known better.
You are right about control but you miss one key point, it is also about self promotion and power.
A lot of interesting stuff is coming out and I expect to see more though I think the problem is people will misdirect the information for political means (slight bending of the truth). What more could we expect? Nobody really cares about the truth anymore if it doesn't serve their purpose.
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1 hour ago, richieb said:
So there goes the hot summer sun theory — one of manyThink you need to add humidity to that. AZ runs close to zero.
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2 hours ago, CECAA850 said:
The only reason we stopped there was to meet my daughter. It was a halfway place between her and us. They just got another dog and needed the spare crate we had.
Mine was you have to take a break and once stuck in traffic, you have to Take A Break 🙂 There was even a line of traffic trying to get in. Insane. It was like everyone in the world just got let out of lockup or something... Guess what percentage were wearing masks?
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3 minutes ago, CECAA850 said:
Churches? You ever heard of Buckees? I stopped at one this weekend and they were PACKED.
Stopped in the one in Alabama this weekend. There wasn't but a couple of parking spaces in the whole lot. Makes the ones in Katy and Baytown look empty. Hopefully survived that. I'll know in a day or two.
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12 minutes ago, Deang said:
Good grief, don't you believe it for a minute.
Of course with a grain of salt. It is from WHO.
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3 hours ago, tube fanatic said:
Fauci said, “ We’re going to start manufacturing doses of the vaccines way before we even know that the vaccine works.” So, billions of taxpayer dollars are funding a private company for a product which may be worthless. I wonder how much Fauci will make personally if Moderna’s vaccine is the one we will all be forced to take....
https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-offers-coronavirus-vaccine-timeline-phase-3-trial-2020-6
Maynard
That's why we can't have any therapeutics that work. We can't cut into the proceeds unless stock ownership or kickbacks are verified 🙂
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Covid19 redux
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Make sure nobody points to successes. Yes a lot of failures also though considering what is going on, I haven't heard anything better other than stay locked in your house and the would will get past this. Yup, no food, no anything.... Can't have it both ways.
I'd really like a true number vs. "contributed to" which is sketchy at best. People die daily without the virus. Let's look at the death rate with the virus vs without. Might be flat year to year which might tell you something.
Too bad we couldn't filter out all the killings that are occurring in these cities not wanting to get things under control and are using these other scapegoats and the virus to justify what is happening. Without these killings, we might actually see less death from than normal from the virus except for in a few months, those people that didn't get treated for ailments during the lock down dying.