cleger

I think about $125 for the set (ouch!) Still, worth it, when I consider what I actually paid for the speakers. As far as I'm concerned, I have the best "stereo" speakers I could have bought new at retail a year ago (and I auditioned *many* others, most costing much more) now with the added benefit of "shielding".

We'll see if this works. Just thought I'd drop back in here for an update, since I was taking pictures earlier. That's an old 40" Mitsubishi, with a KLF30 to the right. I installed the bucking magnets some months ago. Even though the screen looks a little weird/discolored in the photo, beleive me when I say that the bucking magnets work quite well indeed. The only time I notice any colors or distortion is when I move the TV forward to get at the componenets in the cabinet at left. In other words, there is still plenty of stray flux to the front of the drivers, but none that you can see in the TV at the sides and to the rear. As far as I'm concerned, adding buckig magnets to the Legends is very worthwhile. Thanks to everyone for their help & advice. regards, Chris Leger

Thanks TBrennan! That's just the sort of info/encouragement I was looking for. As it happens, I *have* been spending plenty of time at ebay, looking at Altec 604s, etc. It seems to me that I could probably do o.k. with some modern woofers, say from Eminence or someplace or other, and find some horns and drivers (Klipsch or Altec horns, and Eminence still makes drivers...) and come up with custom 3-ways... I'm not limited by space, so "co-axial" speakers like te 604s are not really dictated. Space isn't much of an issue. The problem I would likely run into with "infinite baffle" approach is that while I can do anything I want out in the garage, I live in New Hampshire, it gets cold here in winter, and the garage isn't insulated or heated, so I'd probably have some heat loss & drafting-through-paper-drivers issues! So I think I'd still need to enclose them. The good news is I can make the enclosures as large as I like, practically. To tell the truth, I really love my KLF30s, and I'd like to approximate that sound... seems like by using some real high-quality componentry, I ought to be able to better them. My room is 12x18, so the 4 twelves in the KLF30s ought to be more than enough. I'm going to give some more thought to enclosures, crossovers, etc, and report back here. Any thoughts on a ready crossover design that I could start out with? Best regards, & Merry Christmas.

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Hi again, Lookign to do a second room. I've spent a great deal of time thinking about what sort of speakers to get, without really accomplishing anything. In the living room, I have a pair of KLF-30s powered by a Rotel 991, pre is Onkyo 787 receiver which has 2-room capability, so I'm looking to put another stereo pair in my office. This is a 12'x18' room, which is glass on 2 sides, open on the third, and the back wall s the old-style 3/4" acoustic wood panelling. Looks sort of like this w w w w _---------------------_ w / C C / w /________________________________/ / c c / / / w / open / /________________________ ___ panelling ----- door w=window c=chair C=computer The rectangle across the upper portion is a 32" deep countertop. Anyhow, I've gone back and forth between getting a pair of RCW in-walls plus sub, a pair of RB5s plus sub, a pair of Heresies, or doing a custom install behind the panelled wall. The problem with in-walls is the sound. I like the RB5s but I think I'd still probably be unhappy with them without a sub (and I don't like subs) I thought about putting a pair of Heresies on the floor at either end of the counter, but my reading leads me to think I might not be that blown away by the Heresies... common complaint is lack of bass. And again I don't like subs. I'd just as soon not have a pair of speakers on my counter, obstrucing the view through the windows, etc. All this has led me to consider doing a custom install of a pair of full-range speakers, like KLF-30s or 20s, behind some grille-cloth in the back wall. That wall leads to the garage, so I can do pretty much anything I want back there. I was thinking of making a couple of over-sized recesses/nooks back there, large enough to accomdate a KLF-30 and then some, and then later I'd be able to easily change speakers if I wanted. But now I wonder if there might not be some folded-horn design that would suit me better. La SCalas/Khorns are a bit too wide to fit in the space (at lower right in my ascii diagram) between the door and the end of the wall (30") so something "custom" seems in order. I've seen posts in here of people building replicas of University & JBL designs, etc. I'm wondering if anyone cares to share any ideas. What do I do?!?

Well, in my case they were clearly assembled this way from the beginning... the horn threads are wrapped in white teflon tape... I could tell by the way the tape had been marked/displaced by the threads. Like I said, the horn was cross threaded... the rubber washer was floating around... and the horn was not fully seated. When I re-installed it, I was screwing into virgin tape. The horn had never been in that far. Hey, good thing I used the word "tape" in that sentence! Where my speakers are concerned, there is no evidence that they were ever handled other than properly. The only problem I have ever detected is that cross-threaded horn. And it's an internal part.

Thanks for the info. Installed them today... As you pointed out, I had to relieve the holes around the high horn a bit to get them back in. Not a big deal, really. They're all installed, and I fired the speakers right up once I got them assembled. Devcon says their epoxy sets fully in one hour, and it took that long to get everything back together. By that time, the epoxy in the paper plate I had been using for mixing had set up quite well, and I'm quite sure there was no danger in using the speakers. Devcon 5-minute Epoxy is a good product, and quite well suited to this purpose. It does set up in about 5 minutes. Much less than that, and I think I might have risked misalignment, given the time taken to mix the glue, spread it, and position the magnets. One thing I *did* notice though... while I was moving one of the middle horns around, I noticed that the little orange washer in one of them was flopping around in its hole. I unscrewed the horn to take a look... Turns out the horn had been cross-threaded onto the driver at the factory, and wasn't fully seated. Pretty sloppy workmanship. There is really no excuse for this in a $1800@retail product. I screwed it back on properly. It's fine now. Probably a good thing I decided to install the magnets. Otherwise I doubt I would have ever disassembled the speakers. Left me with diminished confidence in the quality of Klipsch products. Still can't beat the sound though. This message has been edited by cleger on 11-10-2001 at 04:04 PM

Hi, I ordered bucking magnets fro my KLF-30s and received them earlier this week. I was under the impression they would be accompanied by instructions but sadly the only thing(s) in the carton were the magnets. I bought some "Devcon 5-minute Epoxy" and I expect it will work fine, but anyway, the only indication I have re: how to do this is the little stickers on the magnets that read "this side out." Is that all I need to know? Do I need to orient them any particular way radially/around their axis? Just glue 'em on? I'd appreciate any info anyone can offer. Regards, Chris Leger

...all of the foregoing leads me to ask if anyone else has had the same expereience I have, that is, had a chance to demo both speakers (really) and found that they just liked the tone of the 20s better? I'm assuming that in general, it isn't the extra few hundred dollars... in my case, the dealer only stocked 20s and like I said, I had to special-order the 30s. I guess that in some cases people might simply be sold what the dealer stocks... but has anyone decided on 20s vs 30s in a head-to-head comparison? I'd be interested in any thoughts anyone has in this regard.

Yeah, I've tried moving them around. I find that the closer they are to the wall, the boomier they get. The further from the wall, the less bass. But in general, moving them away from the wall just decreases the quantity of bass... it's quality remains the same, which is to say, boomy/tubby/muddy. Still wish I'd kept those 20s. I'm going to take a stab at bi-amping them with the receiver later this week. I'll let you know how it turns out. I did just try pulling the jumper strips earlier today, but I don't think it changed the character of the bass any. Here's hoping additional break-in will help, because I'm staring to doubt anything else will.

I was powering them with the speaker-outs on an Onkyo TX-DS787. Supposed to be around 100W, I think. Now I'm using the pre-outs of the receiver into the Rotel. I'd say that the Rotel tends to emphasize the mids. It has definitely "colored" the speakers' output. I'm of two minds about the difference, really. On the one hand, it has brought the mids more in-line with the highs, but the bass has been left behind a little, I would say. Playing with the tone controls has helped some. Still fiddling with it. I may end up going back to just the receiver, once I get some bananas and have a chance to AB them. But, where before, the output stage of the Onkyo started to lose it at about 65 on the dial(goes 0-100... gain seemed to start flattening out at 65, probably on the verge or actually clipping) now it just goes and goes. Made the mistake of setting the receiver at 70 between songs on "Kiss Double Platinum" of all things... man, these things can go LOUD. Seriously. There was pain. Real pain. I put my hands over my ears, as the dog came downstairs, looking a bit shaken. Any louder and I think he would have spontaneously shed his coat. Went and checked on the fish to make sure he wasn't floating upside down. I'm not kidding. This was about an hour ago (wife & kids were out.) I'd hate to hear what 80 sounds like. I've since set the max on the receiver to 65.

Well, I'm back. I want to thank everyone for their replies. After having let them play for a while, they *seem* to have broken in some. Bass has tightened up. Pretty stupid of me, I have to admit, but the KLF-20s I demoed were real demonstrators and as such had been played a bit, while the KLF-30s were new in the box. Should have occurred to me before I posted. Also picked up a Rotel RB991, which is a 200W/ch stereo amp. Sounds pretty good. So now, I think I may still need to do a bit of upgrading, electronics-wise, but I think I'll stick with the KLF-30s.I'm still not as taken by them as I was with the 20s, but I think given some more break-in time, and more time to get used to them, they'll be o.k. Thanks agian to everyone.

Thanks everyone for the replies. I think I'm going to try a Rotel 991. Found an o.k. deal on a used one Thanks again! I'll come back by here and let you know how I make out. Regards.

JD reminds me... maybe it's not too much of a good thing, maybe it's more of a bad thing... maybe my receiver just sends flappy bass, and I hear it better with the 12s... Hmmm. I need to try a different power stage I think. Anyone recommend any amp in particular withe these speakers, besides the already mentioned ATI & Acurus?