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I definitely agree. I'm not hard on my speakers (or equipment in general) so I don't push my speakers hard anyway but even if I did I would take it easy on them for awhile. Because as I said earlier in the post both of my Sub 10s sound good but the older one doesn't sound as good as my new one. The newer one seems more accurate and not as boomy. It just sounds better period. And they were setup the exact same way in the same spot in my room. Same levels, crossover etc. So I assume the old one (which I got used) was probably driven pretty hard. I know Klipsch has the rep of being able to take anything you throw at them and being driven hard without flinching but I feel like just because something has that rep doesn't mean you should because I don't care how well built something is if you push it to the limit or past the limit then you run the possibility of failure way quicker than normal.....or at least premature failure of some parts etc. Even when watching movies I never make it past a certain point on my receiver. I want to keep my equipment for more than 6 months and I want to keep my hearing too. [] But there's nothing wrong with "turning it up" sometimes. But now I'm a little disappointed. You guys have talked me out of the break in thing. I'm not expecting improvements anymore. Thanks guys [:'(] I guess its better to be disappointed now instead of later. lol.

Yes I saw that. I know the theater seats are usually pretty wide and I saw the RC-64 easily laid on both arms of the chair.

Ahhhh I understand. Thanks for the tips! I understand what you're trying to explain. I just had to read the "multiple quotes" part more than once. lol.

Yes believe it or not I had thought about that. If I go that route I've already decided on a receiver. The Denon 3311ci.....it has full 7.2 preouts plus the usual 3d etc......and it comes with Audessey which is my fav auto setup system. The price difference between the receiver and a "good" pre/pro is minimal. Still don't have a pre/pro picked out yet. But I've got time. Have to setup one room at a time. And thanks! Its good to see another person in TN.....and its even better b/c you're right down the road from me. Its a 20 min ride down US 64 for me. I don't see too many Klipsch owners in TN....Now CA is a different story. I can't find any deals on Craigslist for TN, lol. Or even AR

Thats the same thing I said. when my mom stopped by and said they were cute I knew I didn't have anything to worry about with the WAF. She said she's stopping by today to hear how they sound. (she's impressed by the RF- 62 setup they have at their house) Nonetheless the boss still hasn't seen them yet. Family issues (her sister is in the hospital) but I'm not worried.....and hopefully the system will be complete next month. I still have to do it in pieces because the boss was baffled by the price of the full 61 theater setup. At least it doesn't seem as bad piece by piece, lol. I can't wait until they release the full RF-7 set so I'll know what kind of damage I'm looking at. Can't wait to see the new subs either (even though I'm pretty much set on the SVS PB13 Ultra) But thanks for the congrats. I may get on your level one day. You have a ton of stuff don't you? []

It depends if you buy into that theory. Do you buy into the theory? So many people on different forums say Klipsch have really long break in periods that I'm starting to believe it......

I've heard alot of people say that Klipsch speakers are notorious for their long break in period. And alot of people say its the imagination. Some folks say 50 hrs should break them in. Others say upwards of 200 hrs. I'm just going to use them the way I normally would and see if I notice any improvements over the coming months. If I do I will definitely post but I don't have an opinion one way or the other since the only Klipsch speaker I had before these was a Sub 10. Now I do admit the brand new one sounded better than the old one. (The old one I got used. I put that one up front for now and got a new one for the bedroom) but that seems to go against the break in rules.....so imma just assume that maybe the old one was abused? Nonetheless I am looking forward to the changes bc so many people believe in break in so there has to be some truth to it. I will give you guys an update in a couple of weeks.

You might be surprised. I took photos of unpacking the RC-64. My wife thought I was crazy (possibly so). Photo Gallery Dang it i sort of wish I would have taken pictures of the unboxing now. [] But you know Klipsch never ceases to amaze me with the sheer size of some of their speakers. The RC-64 actually looks massive in the pictures (I've never seen one in person) and with it standing on its side it actually looks like it could pass for a floorstander. I plan on getting one of those for the front room but of course the question becomes where to put it? I'll worry about that when I actually start working on the front. [] Lol at the wife thinking you're crazy. Thats one thing I don't think women will ever understand. Men taking pics of an unboxing of equipment so other men can drool over them. You would think we were passing around explicit pics or something. LOL. I should've used my common sense though because I know I love looking at unboxing pics. Can't wait to see the unboxing of the new RF-7s.....hint hint forum guys lol. I don't know how to pick out specific things to quote yet so I'll just respond to the other quote as well. It definitely came out longer than expected. But I wanted to give as much detail as possible to anyone considering these speakers. Glad you liked it. And yes it is a huge jump. I mean I could tell that when listening to my parent's system and my friend's system but there's nothing like having your own to play around with. Its definitely better than I remember. Oh and nice pics btw

I finally got my RB-61 II speakers today so I thought I would write up my first impression of them. I didn't take any pictures of the unboxing because I didn't think about it and I didn't think anyone cared unless they were Heritage speakers or RF-7s, lol. I can take some pics of the speakers if you all want me to. But let me get to my impressions. I must say these things are huge and heavy. When the box was dropped off by UPS it was heavier than I thought. And bigger but I figured Klipsch had put a lot of packing material in the box. Well i was wrong. Don't get me wrong, they are packaged well in stryofoam but packing material is light. Nonetheless it would be pretty hard in my opinion to damage the speakers while they are packed in the box unless you are trying to damage them. As I said these speakers have some heft and weight to them. The build quality is great (which is to be expected with Klipsch. Even if they're not built in Hope) These are some beautiful speakers. I don't know why I liked the older grill style (Reference IV) better than the new grill style but I do. The grills are nice and yes they are magnetic but personally I think these speakers look way better with the grill off. These speakers are a little sexier than the last generation 61s but for the most part they look the same. As far as size if you're trying to gauge the size from the pictures.....don't do it. I expected these to be comparable to my sony bookshelf speakers which had 5 inch woofers and a 1 inch tweeter but these are literally almost 3 times as big. With these flanking my 42" Samsung TV my TV now looks puny. I feel like I should upgrade to a 46" or bigger (which I would if I had the room) so make sure you measure first if you're limited on space. But hey at least they're great to look at. I think with the gold woofer and the curvier horn these meet the WAF. Because my mom stopped by when i told her I had gotten some new speakers and she said she really liked the look of them. She said the gold woofer was "cute" Not how I would describe them but hey they're big so its a compromise for both parties. The women will like the gold woofer and overall design while the men will like the sheer size, lol. Now on to the sound. Now I've listend to F3 theater systems and a RF-62 theater system. I've never heard Klipsch bookshelf speakers in person (only on youtube which does them no justice) until now and I must say the sound blew me away. After I hooked them up I set my Onkyo to 2ch stereo and turned off my sub (also Klipsch) and the bass really impressed me. These things can really push some bass but its not boomy. This speaker is very balanced between the high and low end. The highs don't overpower the bass and vice versa. Now positioning is very important with these speakers. They sounded good pointing straight but they really shined toed in. Also if you use these on speaker stands play around with the height to find the best sound that suits your personal taste. I set them up on my tv stand so the tweeters are about 1 to 2 inches below ear height. This gave me the most balanced sound. When I raised or lowered the speakers bass increased but it didn't overpower the highs. So if you want a little more bass raise your speakers a little. You will miss a little of the dynamics though. I achieved the best results with the tweeters close to ear height. How do these compare to other Klispch speakers? Well they sound better than the F3s. They seem to have better detail and clarity....but don't get me wrong the F3s are some darn good speakers. Now the overall sound is similar to the RF-62 but the crossover seems smoother. I know a lot of people dislike the "laid back" sound of the Reference IV speakers while others love it. I have never heard the in your face sound from other generations (RF-35s, RF-7s etc) so I can't compare the two but as I said compared to last generation Reference the sound is similar but yet improved. More refined. Smoother crossover points. The lows blend seamlessly into the highs. And the speaker does a great job of putting you "there" with "there" being in the movie you're watching or in the studio of the artist that you're playing. I've played Avatar, Master and Commander, This Is It, and The Dark Knight and in all of those movies I noticed a lot more details. Especially after I ran Audessey setup. The most dramatic case was the Dark Knight. In the beginning of the movie when the bank robbers are firing their guns I could always hear the shells hitting the ground but it sorta sounded like a jumbled mess. I could tell more than one shell was hitting the ground but it was hard to pick the individual shells out on my Sony speakers. Well on the Klipsch speakers I could hear every single shell hit the ground and could easily pick them out.When I watched This Is It I felt like I was in the arena bc all of the echos and arena sounds were more pronounced. I barely heard them on my Sony's (if I did hear them. Most of the echos and stuff were non existent) and I don't know where to start with Avatar or Master and Commander. So many sounds and things going on in both movies. The details and clarity was definitely there. I felt like I was in Pandora and on the ship with Russel Crowe......and this is only with me replacing my two main speakers. I still have a Polk center and HTiB surounds. I can't wait to replace those remaining 3 speakers. When I do my bedroom home theater will be complete and I can start working on the front. So the laid back sound I love it but then I've never heard the "in your face" sound but I honestly don't see how it can get any better if you have a full Klipsch setup. These speakers can put some floorstanders to shame with their dynamics etc. As far as ear fatigue I have been testing these with movie after movie and my ears don't hurt and they're not ringing or anything like that. I could go on for quite awhile longer. And I have what many people consider a "bright" receiver" (onkyo) the only time I can honestly say my ears started hurting a little was when I turned them way up. I was curious how loud these things could go. Well I never found out as I reached my limit way before the speakers or receiver did. They are very easy to drive (which you all already knew.) My Blu-Rays have new life and I def will be rewatching all of my movies to see what details I have been missing and I will watch them 3 more times after I complete my setup. I haven't had a chance to listen to music yet. I played a couple of songs but can't really give a fair assumption on the sound with music because I was playing MP3s. Was not impressed but thats to be expected because Klipsch speakers don't mask detail (good or bad) like a lot of speakers. So I will follow up with my impressions on music once I find my cds. (they're in storage somewhere since I converted them all to MP3) I have a variety of music (rap, jazz, classical, rock, r& to test them with so I can't wait. All in all I definitely consider these an improvement over the last generation. Smoother crossover, Great dynamics, great highs that don't fatigue (I have some sensitive ears) great bass that's not boomy or overpowering. Definitely not what I would call "In your face" sound.....but I would definitely call it "putting you there" sound. An explosion and flying wood on this movie just scared the &^%& out of me. How's that for clarity? LOL. I don't know if the speaker break in myth is true or not but if it is I can't wait because these things already sound great but if they're going to sound even better in a couple of months then......I may pass out from happiness. These speakers definitely bring my system together(so i can only imagine how great it will be once everything is Klipsch) I may not go to bed tonight as I try to find more movies and probably some music to test on these babies.....If you're on the fence don't be. These speakers are worth it. Now I'm not an audiophile but I feel as though I know great sound when I hear it! The only con (if you can call it that) would be the size. You definitely can't hang these on the wall.....you can mount them tho which may lead to some big holes in the wall for the speaker mounts....but of course you have other options such as stands so it may or may not be a con.......I definitely give these speakers 2 thumbs up! Give me feedback on my writeup guys and if you have any questions feel free to ask!

LOL true but I already noted that.....in order to hit that low you have to spend alot more than $300 IMHO unless you build your own. But me personally even though I know you get more bang for your buck from DIY I like being able to depend on a manufactor to troubleshoot and fix my sub not to mention I don't have the required tools or skills or time to build a sub. But your subs do look impressive. But I wouldn't call anything that can't hit 10 or 15hz unusable......I wish you were nearby because I do want to experience those lows before I buy my SVS......

Yes I totally understand where you're coming from. We all have different tastes. I'm not that interested in great cherry finishes etc but its a plus for the WAF, lol. I'm in the same boat. Never bought from a online only dealer but they all have so many great praises and people have consistently been able to get down as low as 10hz or 15hz in their room with those subs. I've never had anything go that low at home and would love to experience it.....so I will take a leap of faith hence a very expensive one but at least they have great customer service and return policies......but back to the subject at hand I totally see your point of view. HiFi can get very expensive.....are you set on buying new? Because someone in the Garage Sale section of this forum may have a Sub 12 for sale or even Craigslist.....and of course eBay has them as well......and eBay actually still has some new in the box for around $300.....I was just wondering because I haven't personally heard the 450 yet but I know its only a 10" sub.....nonetheless if its anything like my Sub 10 it won't be a slouch.....but if you REALLY want that impact then look online. Because I believe all of the brick and mortar stores have eliminated their Sub 12 stock by now.

[Y] Thumbs up because for some reason I think you probably read their mind!

The Sub 12 is a pretty good sub and $280 actually isn't a bad price. It hits hard and low (I don't think its going to hit below 20hz if thats what you're looking for) and its pretty big too. My friend has one and it fills his game room rather easily. Me personally I have a sub 10 in my bedroom and its also a good sub. I also have another Sub 10 up front in my movie room temporarily while I build up a new system up there and once I placed it in the corner it impressed me with window rattling bass....literally..... Hits hard and low as well but it is a little smaller and doesn't quite get as low as the Sub 12 of course. But a Sub 12 in a corner is a beast (which is where my friend has it).....and IMO can't be beat for under $300 unless you build your own.... but all of those other brands that were mentioned are great as well and would be great subs to save up for.....thats what I'm doing. Building my theater room one step at a time. I plan on getting the SVS PB13 Ultra.....which is def out of your price range right now ($1800 shipped) and mine as well so I'm being patient and saving. That'll probably be the last piece I buy for my home theater....

Hey, just thought I would give my opinion on the topic. I agree with all of the other posters. You can get a pair of Synergy floorstanders within your budget and if you check online you may be able to get a pair of Reference floorstanders. But with you being in an apartment I think you're doing the right thing for your situation. Get some bookshelf speakers. Because with it being an apartment your space is probably limited and as others said you don't want to disturb your neighbors.....and with floorstanders you are probably going to be tempted to turn the system up sometimes. At least with the bookshelf speakers the bass extension won't be quite as low as the floorstanders. Plus you can move the RBs to surround duty if you do upgrade to floorstanders a few months down the line or if you don't like the directional sound then you can move them to the bedroom for a nice 2ch system. If your neighbors are that picky then I would definitely avoid the sub for right now because all of your quality subs (Klipsch, SVS, Velodyne to name a few) are all going to push some nice deep low bass. Even though you can turn the volume down you'll probably have to keep the gain so low that it wouldn't do you any good. And where's the fun in that? Lol. But patience is key. As the others mentioned keep looking at craigslist and look for deals.......as far as the receivers go all of those are good choices. I'm not a big fan of Yamaha.....they make great receivers and as far as the bright sound it didn't affect me. I'm new to home theater but my friends all have Klipsch setups with Yamaha receivers and the high end is very crisp but I wouldn't consider it too crisp or bright....because with my parents Onkyo receiver and Klipsch setup the high end is very crisp as well. That's just a characteristic of Klipsch which I like. They sounded the same so I had to ask the experts in this forum what the heck a "bright" receiver is. But I'm not a fan of Yamaha because in my opinion you don't get quite as many features as similarly priced receivers from other brands and I don't like their automated speaker setup. It does an ok job but for some reason it was way off when my friend did his setup...so he just did it the old fashioned way with a spl meter. But once he got everything setup correctly it sounded great. So if you just want something thats pretty "automated" as far as getting you the best sound then I wouldn't do Yamaha. Denon and Onkyo both use Audessy automated systems which is a little more on point in my opinion. You may have to make minor tweaks (for my parents and my own system I had to adjust the sub level bc for some reason it always set the sub level at -15 so i could barely hear them) but for the most part everything should sound outstanding after the setup. That's just my experience. Maybe my friend had a faulty model? But that's just my two cents....as I said once everything is setup they will probably all sound amazing with the Klipsch speakers. The best thing is the get as much listening time as possible on the different setups. Best Buy uses Yamaha receivers in their speaker room. HHGregg uses Denon and Onkyo in their home theater area so if you have those 2 stores in your area you should be able to get an idea of how Klipsch sounds on the different receivers. Generally the stores are setup the same nationwide.....so the home theater areas should be pretty similar wherever you're located. And if your Best Buy has a Magnolia store in it then they probably have all of the brands setup......hope that helps.

Just them old fogies who are throwbacks to the old ways of doing things. They're kinda like the Heritage line themselves.... been around for a while.... might have some improvment tweeks done on themselves....might have spent some time in their life stuffed into a corner. If you fill your profile and post your location, perhaps one of them will be near enough to allow you to hear things for yourself. Welcome to the forum. LOL advice noted. I filled in my location. I will eventually fill in my bio etc. I'm always slow to do that. Even when I joined Myspace it took me like a month to fill in the info. But Myspace is sooooo 2004. I'm on Facebook now, lol. But maybe someone is close enough to me. I know on the AVS forums they have alot of meet and greets where people show off their home theaters but none of them are ever close to me [:'(] so I don't know. I may never get to hear someone's "perfect" home theater with separates and the whole nine yards. Thanks for the welcome!

Yes many here have Heritage models and they have been around long enough to be called Heritage for a reason. There hard to beat. IMO There is nothing wrong with the RF or Synergy line at all, either line set up properly will make you smile, guaranteed. Take your time and put this setup together right the first time, it will save you money in the long run even if it takes you longer. And Welcome to the forum, use it to get answers because there is a ton of experience here which will help you save money from making mistakes, I sure do, I can't afford to spend money on junk only to replace it. Thanks for the welcome.....and yes I definitely know those lines can make you smile. Synergy converted me to Klipsch.....the Reference line made me want to upgrade before I had purchased anything (other than the sub) so thats why I'm curious and would like to hear the Reference line because I just don't see how it can get any better than Reference but it does so I have to hear it. Bc if it sounds too good I may have to swing a pair of Klipschorns from the Klipsch website in a few years (at which time the boss would probably divorce me unless I bribed her with a diamond or something, LOL) But yes I have read many stories on this forum about members getting that upgrade bug and spending money on new equipment a few months later or as you said just not liking it. Thats why I'm doing alot of research and basically not trying to skimp on anything. I'm kicking myself for wasting money on my Sony bookshelf speakers. Only 2 months old and already being replaced. I should've just waited and went with Klipsch but I was anxious. You know how that goes. Was tired of the tiny HTiB sound so I upgraded....now I want that true Theater sound in my room.....but like any hobby this hobby is expensive so I can't complain. All my hobbies are killing me though. Gaming at $60 a pop for games not to mention new add ons etc, then R/C Helicopter flying can get expensive spending $200 for a good heli not to mention the parts you replace when you crash it or wear something out......And lets not get started on the car, lol. Are there any cheap hobbies? Maybe I'll start knitting......after I get my system built up of course, LOL

That's what it's all about! Well that and actually listening to the system Can't say that I have, although it's definitely on my to-do list. Closest dealer to me that sells Heritage equipment is 70 miles away, which is rather curious given that I live in one of the major metroplexes of the country. I guess Chambersburg, PA is a much more happening place for hi-fi than Washington, DC... Same here. It seems Arkansas is more happening than Memphis. We have one Klipsch dealer here (2 if you want to count the Magnolia store inside of best buy that sells "Higher End" stuff.) The other ones are in Arkansas but according to the Klipsch site none of them have Heritage speakers. Just Reference. I'm thinking about going to the dealer here though to see if they have the new RF-7s set up. I want to hear them. I'm willing to make a blind purchase on a $500 set of bookshelf speakers bc I love Klipsch so much but a $3000 purchase is a different story, LOL. Not to mention those things are beasts to move. I definitely don't want to switch out floorstanders too many times. Well preferably not at all.....not until I want to upgrade but I doubt the boss of the house would allow that. She already passed out once when she saw the price of the Sub and passed out again when she saw the price of the RB-61 IIs......she may not wake up when she sees the price of the RF-7 IIs......or the 83s.....the 83s are a little bit better tho since they're "old" now....

Yeah I felt stupid once I saw the point that you guys are making. It makes sense. Instead of spending $1500 on a really good receiver that saids it can push 140w per channel every few years just get some separates. Because believe it or not I hadn't even thought about upgradability for future standards. I was just thinking about the sound. But $500 for a new pre/pro sounds a whole lot better than $1500 and at least I won't have to go through the one step I dread. Getting behind the unit to hook up all of those speakers.....at least all I would have to worry about would be the video cables and most of my stuff is HDMI now with a couple of exceptions for component.....Separates definitely sounds like a winner. I'm glad you guys talked me into it because as I stated earlier I was a little intimidated because of course the reputation is separates are hard to setup etc. Which is crazy bc I love electronics and computers (went to school for computer engineering) and like breaking stuff down etc but it was just a "known" fact that separates were meant for "audiophiles who knew what they were doing and won't settle for anything less and drink wine after every meal while smoking a cigar" LOL. I'm so happy you guys are down to earth. Even though you all have multi thousand dollar systems you're not snobby. Now me on the other hand once I get my system built I will be the snobby guy! haha just kidding!

Yes I had thought about going used on some of the stuff. Most likely it would probably be the amp if I could find a great deal on it. But its hard to beat Emotiva prices. But if I find a good McIntosh or some other high dollar brand at a great price then I'll jump. Because call me a dork but there's nothing like opening the box for a set of speakers or a tv, lol. I checked eBay but some of the used stuff is as much as the new stuff or its only like $200 cheaper. I'm a big ebay shopper though so I'll keep checking. Whenever I see a great deal I usually can't pass it up. I'm bidding on a set of RB-51 speakers as I type. If I can get them cheap enough I may relegate them to surround duty in my bedroom to see if I like it. I have a really small set of surrounds right now and they're alright but I really want to try the Klipsch surrounds with wide dispersion......but if I get a deal on the 51s I can hold off a little longer and go ahead and buy the center, I don't know which to buy first. The surrounds or the center speaker because they are both around the same price. I already have a huge Polk center that matched pretty well with my Sony's but I doubt its going to match with the Klipsch with the horns.....I'll find out tuesday night. I'm really tempted to buy a pre and pro for the bedroom now so that I can go ahead and get a preview of what to expect up front. It just sucks because the entertainment centers just don't seem like they're built to hold alot. My center speaker takes up most of the second shelf. Its flanked on both sides by a PS3 on one side and a SA 8300 HD/DVR and Tivo on the other. (I like being able to record 4 things at once. 2 on the Tivo, 2 on the cable DVR. It seems like everything comes on Mondays....plus I need my OnDemand. Once they get this 2 way CableCard thing going I'll probably drop the cable dvr) On the bottom shelf I have a blu ray player, xbox 360 and of course my Onkyo. Now I know I can put the Amp where the Onkyo is but I don't have anywhere to put the Pre/Pro.....oh well patience. We're saving for a house so hopefully soon I'll be able to go look at some houses and piece together in my mind how everything will be setup. Thats why I'm trying to go ahead and get my 2 systems setup that way when we move all I have to do is transfer the stuff over. LOL.

Thanks for your input. I will most likely end up going this route for my room up front. In the bedroom I may even see if there's anyway for me to squeeze an amp back there too but I doubt it as space is limited. I've looked at Emotiva, Denon, Sherwood, and Marantz. Anyone better than the others? Emotiva is the cheapest and pretty much has great reviews on all of their equipment. I know McIntosh is good but they are sorta out of my price range. Well not sorta.....they are out of my price range, lol. Because I still have to get a Samsung TV, theater seating etc. But I don't wanna get something cheap and have it ruin the sound of my system....ahhhh too many choices and questions for a noob LOL

Lol yes the ear bleeding does sound pretty bad. But thanks for your input. I definitely know better than to drive my Klipsch with a cheap Sony Receiver or any other $150 one. That means my speakers will be like 3 times the cost of the receiver, lol. I have to admit thats one thing I never understood but thats another discussion. But basically any good quality receiver should sound good with these speakers. Also I think imma go with the heftier center but smaller surrounds. Because I do play my stuff loud but with my low sensitivity Sony's that I have right now I rarely go past "48" on my reciever bc it gets too loud since my room is so small. I may eventually upgrade for the tighter Sub but I'm satisfied right now. I'm still impatiently waiting for my RB-61 IIs. UPS rescheduled the delivery date for whatever reason and now the tracking info says they will be delivered Tuesday. Which sucks because they were orginally scheduled for Friday.....and then Monday....Monday was perfect because I'm off Sunday and Monday but of course as luck goes I'll have to sit through a full day of work before I get to set them up. But I looked into separates and setting them up is actually easier than I thought. And a little cheaper. Especially Emotiva. I may get 3 monoblock amps from them once I get my speakers from the front. In my bedroom I have to stick with a receiver because I don't have any space. The added height of the 808 vs the 507 is already going to be a tight squeeze. But I'm blabbing again. I'm just excited to be building up my Klipsch Home Theater system. Now I know this is off subject but have any of you heard the Klipsch Heritage Line? They're really expensive but I always hear high praises for them especially the Klipschorns. I don't have any dealers near me that sell Heritage unfortunately. They just sell Synergy and Reference lines. Again thanks for your input!

Hello all. I'm glad to say that I have truly gotten into home theater. I'm currently upgrading my system to Klipsch Reference speakers. Bookshelf speakers for the living room and floor-standers for the big media room up front. I'm debating between the RF-7 and RF-83s (even though they are discontinued) But before I get into my dilemma I have to say I love Klipsch speakers. I used to work at Best Buy back in 2003-06. So I used to hear the explosions coming from the speaker room but I never ventured to the speaker room. Mainly because I thought all systems were the same and I was satisfied with a Home Theater in a Box [] Well one night we had an employee movie night at the store and the manager whipped out a Klipsch set for the movie. 4 F-3s, a C-3, and a Sub 12. The movie we watched was Van Helsing. I had went to the movies to see it and I knew the great soundtrack the movie had for special effects etc. Well I have to say when he cranked the system up I thought I was back at the movies. And this was with the Synergy line! That night made me a Klipsch convert. When I checked the prices I couldn't believe one speaker cost the same amount (or more) as a full HTiB! With me being a college student at the time and still living at home (my parents would not have let that fly. they already hated my 2.1 "gaming" computer speakers that pulled double duty as my tv speakers) so I put my dream on hold, lol. Fast forward a few years after I moved out and I settled for a HTiB. Fast forward another year and I found a great deal on a Sub-10. And thats when it started. A few months later I ended up replacing my fronts with Sony, Center with Polk, Receiver with Onkyo TX-Sr507, and I went ahead and got a brand new Sub-10 for my room and put the used one up front. Well my parents found a great deal on a Reference RF-62 home theater set. They got a receiver (Onkyo TX-SR608) and called me to hook it all up. After a few hours of running wires and setting up the receiver I popped in Avatar. Well I have to say the Sub 10 made a huge difference along with the Onkyo in my room.....but after hearing the Reference line on Avatar I had the same feeling I had in Best Buy that night. Fell in love all over again and I had to get the Reference line. So thats where I sit now but I have a few questions. 1. I have already ordered the RB-61 IIs for my fronts. I know people say I should get what I can afford but I want to know. Will the RC-62 II really make that much of a difference over the RC-52 II? The bookshelf is in a bedroom. A little smaller than average (sorry don't know the measurements) I do plan on moving to another house soon (renting right now) but even when I move the "man cave" is going to get this system and I doubt the room will be too much bigger than the one I have now. So can I save the money or should I go ahead and get what I can afford which is the RC-62 II? 2. Same question for the surrounds. Should I just go with the RS-42 II and go with what I can afford, the RS-52 II? Will there be that much of a difference? 3. Will the Sub-10 be sufficient for the Reference line? I should I go ahead and upgrade it too? 4. I have the TX-SR507 but I am going to get the TX-NR808 after I get all of my speakers. Its rated at 135w per channel. I know that's only 2 channels driven so with the RB-61 II being rated at 100 watts will the receiver put out enough power with all channels driven to have the speakers sound good or should I get a separate amp for cleaner sound? 5. When I start piecing together the front should I overspend on one of the Pioneer Elite receivers which are all rated as all channels driven or should I just step back a little to a cheaper model and just get a separate amp? As I stated earlier I plan on getting floor-standers. Preferebly the RF-7 II or RF-83....I may even just settle for the RF-82. 6. Are the rumors on certain receivers being bright true? My Rb-61s just shipped today so I haven't heard what people are talking about. How does a "warm" receiver sound? Is Denon a warm receiver? I'm debating between Denon and Pioneer Elite for the front. Honestly I didn't hear the overly bright sound at my parent's house when I played Avatar. The movie sounded great. But then again I was only listened to them for the course of the movie. So will it seem to bright if I listen to them all day? (Of course everything is routed through the receiver. My cable, blu ray, etc. and I rarely watch tv during the week but I watch tv all day on the weekends) I don't want ear fatigue because I have a bright receiver which leads me to my final question. 7. I may sound stupid on this but I'm not an audiophile yet and I'm still young (26, not THAT young but young lol) so I haven't had alot of experience listening to alot speakers but what the heck does ear fatigue feel like? Do your ears hurt? Do they ring? Because thats another term I have heard Klipsch haters use. They say Klipsch speakers are very fatiguing to the ear so you can't listen for long periods of time..... Sorry if I sound stupid but this great hobby has a firm hold on me so I'm determined to have the man cave have amazing sound in case the front TV is taken by the fiance or guests but I want the front to be the ultimate movie spot for me. So it has to be perfect. Right equipment matching etc. lol. So any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help Jamar