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Well folks, got'em!! Arrived about 10:45(PST) this AM. Total cost was $620, door to door.
Using a handcart, I trolleyed them indoors and immediately ripped into the packages like a kid at Christmas. They are CBR's, not CDR's. The birch is in very good condition with a few dings and chips but nothing horrendous. Looks like coated with some stain/varnish combo that will need to be removed and re-stained to match the dark walnut of the rest of my speakers. Or at least that's the directive I anticipate from the missus. Grilles present, some sort of beige/whitish/gray issue, light dependant. Re-clothing with black Klipschcloth will also be required by 'miss sensitive eyes'. Looks like the grilles were never peeled off as when I did, looked like brand new. Paper on the woofer is deep rich black like it left Hope yesterday. Network is the B-3. Anyone with insight on this net?
Immediately set about wheeling them in and plopping them in front of the Khorns for an audition. Tried out several tunes in 2-channel stereo mode. All drivers functioning beautifully. This is the first time I have ever been in the same room as a set of Cornwalls, let alone have the privelidge to play around. Very nice sounding speaker. Good deep tight bass. Mids a little less present than the Khorns, highs very good. Had to scurry off to work so I didn't really have too much time to evaluate, but the little bit that I did....well...all I can say is WOW! Second only to a KHorn. Almost a crying shame to use them solely for rear surrounds. Tonight, I'll move them to the rears and demo a DTS flick. Can't wait!!
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Mike, thanks for the ever so generous offer, I'll send you an e-mail from work tomorrow.
Folks, things are looking very good at this point. The seller e-mailed me multiple times today. Seems to be a stand up guy. It looks to be a case of 'right place at the right time' coupled with seller's first e-bay attempt to sell something. You're correct Mike, lack of marketing saavy did him wrong which conversly, did me right! I have no doubt that if he had advertised it like '1983 Klipsch Cornwalls in pristine condition, buy it now for $500' I would have been about 12 hours late. As it was, I couldn't believe that they lasted so long. Looks like he listed them around 8:00PM New Year's Eve. Let's see, I crawled out of bed about 3:30 the next afternoon after the usual New Year's revelry and hit the 'buy it now' button at about 3:40. Good thing it was New Years! Everybody else was asleep at the wheel! Good thing I got sniped on those Chorus I's 3 days ago!! Guess it was fate......
Asked and received information. First, the guy was mortified that he had listed them with such a meager buy it now price. Kept going on and on about how he had no clue of what they were or what they were worth and that folks have been flooding him with comments to clue him in to where I was almost starting to feel worse for his loss than I was happy for my gain. I mustered up an assurance to him that they would be very well treated and enjoyed daily. He verified what we all have surmised, yes they are indeed Cornwalls. They are designer series in Birch. He fessed that he had mistakenly listed them as Oak. Said something about 'gray' grilles. I surmised that they were the grille kit I understand can be ordered. Perhaps not. We'll see tomorrow as he gladly committed to sending me digital pictures. In between moans and groans, he went on to re-state that they were in 'fantastic condition' as they were his father-in-law's who evidently took great pride in ownership. He also agreed to sign up immediately with PayPal so that I wouldn't have to send a cashier's check or MO. Looks like Fed Ex Ground is the only shipping game in town. $51/box from Dallas to Northern CA. Reasonable.
I'll post pics upon receipt. Starting to relax a bit and feel good about this deal! Cautious optimism....
Ed
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I use a generous coating of Watco perhaps twice a year on mine. Absolutely nothing else needed.
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But either way, they ARE Cornwalls, right??
I believe them to be (Corns) based upon the type - CDR, S/N (only one, what's up with that), and physical dimensions....roughly 3'x2'. That being the case and as some of you readers know, I was in the market for rear surrounds....$400 - $600 range. Thought of Fortes, none around. Chorus I's, got sniped with 3 seconds left on the latest e-bay pair the other day (hey, all's fair in the e-bay jungle, no disgruntlement here). So, just made a HUGE leap of faith and hit the 'buy it now for $500'. Cornwalls, $500, had to do it.
Now, aprehension is beginning to set in. The seller is a zero, as in this is his/her first listing. No feedback to gauge integrity. Not really any indication of payment options other than the obligatory e-bay 'money order/cashier check'. This has my tucas in a pucker. Any suggestions?
Perhaps some good natured fellow Klipsch enthusiast in the Dallas/Ft Worth area will volunteer to swing by and give them a peek-see to validate the seller's claim of These speakers are in fantasitc conditions, made by the famous Klipsch company, they are about 20 years old and still work like new! they are incased in a light oak cabinet.
Naturally, if they aren't as portrayed, heavy discussions with the seller would be in order.In any case, I shall remain positive that this is a great deal. I have yet to be burned by e-bay, but we've all heard the horror stories. I shall keep you posted as things unfold.
Ed
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I know, they're B***'S!!!!!!! Oooops, can't be. Too much real wood.
Radio Shack specials, right????? Nope, wood's too thick.
Hmmmm.......8" Tannoys?
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I've been looking on and off (funds dependent) for a decent set of walnut Fortes (I's) for rear surrounds in the $400 - $600 price range. However, now I am mentally envisioning Chorus I's based upon the e-bay listing.
So, F's vs Ch's? I like the fact that the Fortes are spec'd at 32db. Don't know about the Chorus'. I also like the fact that the Chorus' are 15"ers, which would probably be more in-line with my K-Horn and Belle front setup. I've always thought that the passive radiator setup was a stellar design based upon reviews. Is the Chorus equipped with the passive as well?
Guess I'm just looking for a little nudging one way or the other. Got an itchy mouse finger........
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Hey Soundog....FWIW I too performed this mod to my K-Horns about 15 years ago. My speakers are of pre '55 vintage and came equipped with a Klipsch fiberglass sectoral horn, with characteristics not unlike the 511's. The trade was the fiberglass' tendancy to 'clack' as opposed to the 511's inherant ringing. I felt that the 'ringing' would be easier to deaden that the fiberglass. Back then, there was no rope caulk, I dampened with DAP. Still holding true to this day. The mid drivers are University SAHF's and your x-over issue was dealt with by the original stock crossover, the K-500-5000 which blended as intended beautifully at 500. I ran across the adapters in a speaker shop in Berkley CA. Don't remember the make and as I eyeball them now, I do not see any clue as to mfg'er.
Recently purchased a Belle for the center. Naturally, I wanted to capture the essence of the K-Horn upgrade to sonically match. I aquired a 511 from e-bay and flamed the K55V (non-solder terminal type) on via a homemade adapter through a 'newer' type AA x-over. 2 packs of rope caulk. I did not like the initial results. Muffled upper midranges and distortion. Thought I screwed up the K55 at first. Then started to doubt the adapter piece. I then purchased several University SAHF's from e-bay as well as a type AB x-over. Would have loved to test drive a Klappenberger special, but cannot afford a set at this time. The SAHF sounded much better. Clear, dynamic, accurate, but a tad on the 'shrill' side. This is a fairly efficient driver! I started to swap x-overs and found that an old AA I had sounded the best. The 'newer' AA I had did not have oil filled caps, the old has big oil filled.....size of cigarette packs. This mellowed the shrillness considerable while retaining all the qualities of clarity. I too have not noticed a problem between 400 - 500hz. As you say, music sounds great and that's what counts. I absolutely love this setup and cannot imagine a more perfect match for my old cornerhorn dinosaurs.
WRT fit.....doesn't. At least not in the upper cavity of the Belle as it sits stock. I have the 511B (much to my wife's incessant whining) sitting 'naked' uptop with my tweeter (University 4404 mid-T) bolted straight up vertically off the top hole on the 511B face. Personally, I like the look. Almost retro.
WRT the adapter, I just saw today a chap on e-bay that has some JBL adapters listed. His ad says 'other adapters available' so I e-mailed him with my (our) needs. I'll let you know if I get a positive reply.
Good luck! Ed
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Bigdnfay....I asked the same question and the answer I got back was that it isn't the number '2', but rather like two 'I's signifying the vertical mounted squawker and tweet. You are correct, the '2's did come out much later.
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Hmmmm....John, since the Belle is essentially the same as the La Scala (or is it?), is it your contention that that unit is also 'disappointing'? Working in the store, did you also experience multiple returns of these? I ask because I was thinking of using possibly a pair of La's for my rear surrounds. Never heard one in person so I would fit into the 'emotional buyer' catagory. But I do have a modified Belle as a center and am rather, if not extremely pleased with it's operation and musical qualities. Initially I was leaning towards Forte I's for surrounds, but always felt if La Scalas or Corns come along for the right price, I would jump on either of those.
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FWIW - There appears to be two iterations of Klipsch 'AA' networks. I have an old pair (60's?) that is plumb stuffed with the oil/paper filled caps. The newer one that was in my Belle is also an 'AA'. It has the electrolytic 'cans'. Absolutely no question as to which sounds better. The oil filled are so far ahead of the newer ones that words can't even describe. But I'll attempt to. In my ear's opinion, the newer non-oil's are not only harsher, they are at the same time 'muddier' or unclearer. The oils are smooth, melodic, natural and infinately clearer. This is using the K55V with the push connectors. Tried an AB as well. Somewhere in between the oil filleds and the non-oil filleds, but closer to the oil filled.
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FWIW - There appears to be to iterations of Klipsch 'AA' networks. I have an old pair (60's?) that is plumb stuffed with the oil/paper filled caps. The newer one that was in my Belle is also an 'AA'. It has the electrolytic 'cans'. Absolutely no question as to which sounds better. The oil filled are so far ahead of the newer ones that words can't even describe. But I'll attempt to. In my ear's opinion, the newer non-oil's are not only harsher, they are at the same time 'muddier' or unclearer. The oils are smooth, melodic, natural and infinately clearer. This is using the K55V with the push connectors. Tried an AB as well. Somewhere in between the oil filleds and the non-oil filleds, but closer to the oil filled.
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Dougdrake2 - I believe that he came by 1 each because at that time they were sold as singles. Stereo was not around or certainly in it's infancy. This is further validated by those vintage K-Horns recently on e-bay where one was 'real' and the other a copy made later when stereo came about (late 50's early 60's?). WRT my pre-55's, I recall my dad telling me that after stereo became popular, he was able to have Klipsch make another with the exact components and build style as the one he had. Was very impressed with how accomodating they were. Swore he'd never own another speaker.
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Good day! For the past 2 years, I've had my K-Horns in the HT room. The room has a concrete slab foundation. Prior to that, we lived in a manufactured house that had the steel beam girders. So I've never really 'test driven' my cornerhorns on a traditional wood foundation.
Can anybody out there comment on the benefits of either? I like the current sound, it would seem that bass waves would project rather than absorb more on concrete, but then again, I can envision that the K-horns can get the whole room trembling more with a wood foundation.
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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Mobile....just another tube newbie faux pax on my part. I am referring to the 'JJ/Tesla's' from Slovakia. After blowing my ST-70, I wanted to get a set of output tubes to verify operation of the unit without spending an arm and a leg on tubes that might just be the tip of the problem iceberg. Responses I received from others on the tube BB were very favorable towards these tubes, some even likened the sound to a fresh set of Mullards. My experience after ordering and installing is that they sound excellent. Better available? No doubt!
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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I too am just entering the tube frontier having resurrected an old ST-70 amp and PAS2 preamp from mothballs. The thing had Mullards. One was busted. Went online to find a suitable replacement and found that sellers were very proud of Mullards. Matched quads were astronomical, even the used 'still tests good' variety.
One of the sub-groups of the Audio Asylum (www.audioasylum.com) is the BB called the Tubes Asylum. Lots and lots of good info from 'tubers' there. Very helpful and friendly individuals abound. The love has not vanished yet and even a newbie's like me and my stupid questions (I fried the ST70 by only installing one channel's tubes just to 'test' the amp. Not the thing to do, especially if you - in your haste to fire it up - install a 10A fuse rather than the stock 3A it calls for) were answered with tact and diplomacy, with not even a hint of much deserved ridicule.
They pointed me to several of the online tube vendors mentioned in 'mobile homeless's' post above and I settled upon Triode. Excellent outfit. I spent about $40 on a matched quad set of EL34's from Slovek. This was cheaper than Radio Shack quoted me for the Chinese crap mentioned above. I received my order within the week. Popped them in and all I can say is 'holy toledo!!!!' Great sound. Gorgeous sound. Beautiful sound. Many on the BB reckon that the Slovek's are a very close second to Mullards with only the most discriminating ear claiming to hear a difference.
Good luck!
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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In the DVD player - Stevie Ray Vaughn Live in Austin Texas. Of course I'm biased but I don't think that anything but a horn can keep up and articulate clearly every note as a seperate note when Stevie let's er rip on 'Tightrope'. Sizzling!!
In the 5-disk CD....Pink Floyd - Live in Montreal '76 (Disk 1&2)....Pink Floyd - Animals....Lynyrd Skynyrd - Gimme Back My Bullets.....Pat Travers - Crash and Burn.
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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TheEAR....you are right on when you suggest replacing the Tannoys with Klipsch. I actually like the sound of the Tannoys, but they have a different efficiency (95db @ 1w) which is not linear with the Klipschs, so as I adjust the master volume up, they just disappear.
Currently actively on the hunt for a decent set of Walnut (or black I guess) Forte I's as replacement. A month or so ago, there were oodles of pairs on e-bay in my price range....450 - 500. But now alas, slim pick'ins. Add to that the longer it takes to find, the more grief I receive from the CFO. She's already starting to hmmmm and hawwwww about granting permission to where I've had to 'embellish' the price range....'oh, don't worry dear, I should be able to pick up a 'fixer upper' for about $350'. Yeah right.
I've targeted the Forte I for the rears for a couple of reasons. Sonic match with the heritage series. The Forte reportedly goes low (~32hz?) and I want to be able to set all speakers to 'full range'. Size was a major 'peace keeping' consideration. Ideally, if it were up to me, there would be a set of KHorns back there. No way that would fly with Mrs Control Freak. Corns are a little less obtrusive but then I would be hit with the price issue. Heresy II's, the recommended rears for this setup would be nice, but I think that for the little extra you pay for a set of Forte I's, you will get a lot more speaker. Especially in the bass punch arena. Please let me know if any of you reading this have had problems or issues with Forte I's. From what I've read, they are tremendous and should be more than adequate for this environment. Guess I just need some reassuring.
Surprised to hear that the LF10 is a 'dud'.
Finally, a question: What is a good CD or DVD to use to evaluate speaker freq response? Certainly doesn't have to be elaborate. Just run up the freq range so I can accurately determine when the woof rolls off, mids cut in and out, etc as well as check response throughout the range?
Thanks!
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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Howdy TheEAR(s) - You know, I get a lot of input to that effect....simple setup. And it pretty much appears to be just that largely in part due the the amount of real estate the screen demands. Thank you! I have been striving for a 'cleaner' theatre experience.
Prior to the front projector, I had a 50" Proscan RPTV. This unit was topped with a C-7 and flanked with all the electronics in the obligatory vertical component cabinet. Next to that was the sub, then the KHorns. The whole kit-n-kabootle stuck out from the wall almost 3 feet enclosing the room by that much. It was very 'conventional home theatre' in appearance....you know, basically a cluttered wall of electronics, speakers, TV and supporting cabinetry. Even with the smoked glass cabinet doors, there were various 'light effects' from the myriad of components in the field of vision. Not at all unsightly, but at times distracting when the room lights are dimmed and you are attempting to achieve that 'movie theatre expierience' minus the crowd. The same amount of equipment still exists, but it is off to the side and the C-7 has been replaced with the Belle.
The room is roughly 20x20 and without that clutter, finally feels like it's 20x20. Believe you me, it was for this reason that I tailored my sales pitch to the missus for the projector purchase authorization and I believe that I'm beginning to see a ***** in her 'what do we need that for' armor. I guess she's happy when she has a vast expanse of floor to vacuum. I do not work for a projector company but I have to say that the front projector has been the best 'upgrade' to the HT. For $2500, not only was it responsible for transforming the perception of complex clutter to simple, but I have to say that a 10ft x 5ft viewing area makes the experience truly theatre like. It's the nuts. We're all here on the Klipsch BB because we live for the glorious sound. Now the visual is as awe inspiring as the audio.
The KSW200 is a nice little unit. I initially bought it when I went 5.1 because I needed something to play the '.1' channel. At the time of purchase Klipsch was switching over from the KSW200 to the KSW12. I bought the 12. Brought it home and tossed in Dark Side of the Moon with the rational that the opening 'heartbeat' sequence would be a fair test. The 12 did not pass the test. At moderate to semi loud volume, it didn't know if it was coming or going and started burping and bleating. I took it back to a chorus of 'I told you so' from the salesman who kept insisting that the KSW200 was waaay better. So I swapped it and put the heartbeat to it. Passed with flying colors. The KSW, Belle and pant flapping cornerhorns provide plenty of solid bass. Explosions, especially in DTS quite literally part your hair. I have trouble understanding what a 'better' sub would get me other than perhaps to 'go lower'. Aside from that, what can I expect from a 1650W LF10 say as compared to the 200W KSW? Just loudness? I listen to all kinds of music as well as the HT. Current setup goes plenty loud without distortion. I still have plenty to go on the sub volume knob should I want more, but then it sounds ridiculously over bassed. The Denon receiver is a 75W x 5 and if I turn it up more than halfway, people go running from the house with hands on ears like shot from gun. Perhaps someone can enlighten me on what I'm missing!
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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Hey userK,
Don't know if I can answer fully all you questions, but I have a 50's era Klipschorn pamphlet that describes current (for that day) K-Horn models and the components used within. Evidently, from the '40's to the early '60's, Klipsch utilyzed other mfg's drivers prior to settling on Atlas as the driver mfg.
Pamphlet says that at that time there were 3 different LF drivers used.....15" Stephens, 15" EV or 12" EV. I don't know beans from beef jerky about the freq part of your question. My pre-'55 KHorns have the Stephens Trusonic 103LX2's. Construction of this driver is extra heavy duty! Weighs in at 35# as compared to the 10# or so that the current K33's weigh. Sound is absolutely tremendous. If anything, since I have the cornerhorns as LF and RF and a Belle as a center, I think that the efficiency is even greater than that of the Belle. Not exactly labratory conditions, but using the pink noise and Radio Shack digital SPL meter, I set the '55 KHorns at 0 and as I go speaker to speaker, I find I have to set the Belle center at +2db to equal the output of the cornerhorns.
Hope this helps.
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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Thanks all for the kind words.
Eq - The projector is not mounted as of yet. It sits behind the couch atop a black electronics/equipment cabinet that I had my electronics in prior to the big screen. Now most of that stuff sits in the horizontal cabinet up by the left K-Horn. Long term plans are to ceiling mount. I'll probably ceiling mount in a glass front enclosure because despite how any projector is marketed (quietest in the industry), I still hear the whirring of the fan. About like a PC, but still perceptable none the less.
As stated as recently as last week, I thought to replace my Tannoy rears with Fortes. Still will if the right deal comes along... like the guy who listed mint walnuts for a 'buy it now' price of $420 the other week on e-bay but sold them for $405. However, I'm now leaning towards making a set of La Scalas for the rears. I got hold of some detailed plans and it looks simplistic enough. I have a good table saw and am fair with wood. I have a spare set of all the drivers that are currently in my K-horns, except I only have one University 4401 mid-T tweeter, as well as a spare set of AA networks. Anybody out there attempted this? Are there any pitfalls you can steer me away from? Do the components seem like they will all 'git along'?
Thanks!
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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Al....if anything, as I hold either the SAHF or the K55V to the input of the horn and peer down into the horn, I see pretty much all the 'screen area' of the driver and perhaps a skosh of the bright 'ring' that surrounds the screen are of the driver(s). Is this too what you see? The horn I'm using is a 511A. It clearly has a 1" input. Does the 511B have a larger one? In any event, still sounds like the 'tube' needs to be enlarged.
JohnP....the bore of my adapters are NOT tapered, just considerably smaller in diameter than either driver out or horn in. The shorter one has some pitting. Certainly not smooth as a baby's rumpus. Since this one kind of sucks sonically anyways, perhaps I'll bore it out first and pending the results, consider boring the long one later. Maybe if this proves to be a disaster, I can Helicoil it to repair!
So...with all this in mind, how come is it that for woofers it's different? I know that on the La Scalas and K-Horns, as well as no doubt the Belle, the 'sound' from the 15"ers goes through a slot 3" wide and 13" tall before entering the 'horn' proper. Why? Wouldn't that be equivalent to the 'sound' from the K55V going through a 1/4" slit before entering the horn throat?
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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Well....with regards to the K-Horns, it's very hard to get reliable history on the various iterations from the late '40s early '50s timeframe. Maybe a Klipsch moderator or historian can lend some wisdom. I date them as 'pre-55's' because I received a excerpt from Elso Kwak from the 'Dope from Hope' publication that describes what components were used in K-Horns at what date. My horns have the Stephens Trusonic 103LX2's for the woofer, University SAHF's for the mids and University 4401 Mid-T tweeters. All this in tandem with the K500-5000 network. The components have labels that read "Tested and Approved by Klipsch and Associates". According to 'Dope', the K500-5000 was only used until '55. Both the University's were used from '51 - about '60 and the Stephens is listed as being used from '40 - '50. So in reality, they are probably of somewhere around '51 vintage.
The top section is not removable from the bottom or 'bass bin' portion and they are a few inches narrower than current model K-Horns. I have an old Klipsch pamphlet from that time period that shows three models of K-Horn as well as several models of shorthorns. The three models of K-Horns are as folows: 1 looks very similar to what we currently associate visually when we hear mention of Klipschorn. The second looks vagely familiar to the ones that I have, they are one piece and unfinished. The 3rd model listed is a bass bin with a sectoral horn mounted naked on top. The model numbers as I recall (I'm at work not at home so I don't have the pamphlet in front of me) go something like Model B, C, and D respectively. Someone once told me long ago that he felt mine were model A's or KLA's. But I also know that during that time, Klipsch did some custom builds as well. Would be interested to know if anybody has ever seen or has a set of Khorns that looks like these.
The 'slightly modified' refers to Altec 511B horns (and about 50lbs of putty per) replacing the Klipsch fiberglass sectoral horns that these were originally outfitted with. I hope to duplicate the effect(more glorious and spacious sound than the straight horn) in my center Belle (see post Belle Mod Question below).
Finally, seating is approx 14 feet from the screen.
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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Good day! Finally shot a few pics of my HT to show Chris Robinson how the Belle turned out after 're-grilling' from cane to black cloth.
Submitted for your perusal. Hopefully the 'upload' process worked. Please critique! I welcome any and all suggestions on component placement, equip, etc. A few notes:
1. Yes, yes, I know, the K-horns are not 'cornered'. I have the intention to build false walls for the 'roomward' sides. These are currently sealed however with 3/4" plywood and the result is IMHO...very good.
2. The screen is not quite complete. I need to frame it still. Currently quite high on the to-do list. It is simply a 10'x5' frame of 2"x2"s with canvas painted 'absolute white'. One of these days a Dalite will take it's place, but that's a ways off.
3. The rears are not shown. They are small-ish Tannoy studio monitors. They hold their own to some degree, but the very next upgrade is to replace these with Fortes (1's). I have received a purchase authorization from the CFO and need to stike while the iron is hot before she changes her mind!
Apologies for the less than stellar picture quality.
Ed
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
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So...that would say that not only is the distance critical between driver output and throat (via adapter), but diameter of that distance is as well.
Al - According to Tom, since the throat of the 511 is smaller than the threaded output of the driver, 'bad things can happen'. How about you ream out the throat on one of your 511's, test for results, then post? If it works for you then maybe I'll.......
Also Al, great point about the AA network and it's lack of high frequency rolloff built in. Hooked up on the garage workbench it appears to sound ok, but I haven't tossed in the test CD and measured for (+)'s and (-)'s in db at different freq's. In any event, it sounds like I should in the least bore out the 5/8 inch diameter adapter aperture to more closely approximate the output and input diameter(s) of the driver and horn respectively, taking care to create as smooth a bore as possible. Problem with that is that as was my original question "is there any reason that this one adapter with the length and small bore should sound better", what if I bore it out and it (for whatever reason) sounds funky? I'm toast! Now I wish I had some more adapters to dink around with bore size, length, etc.
Then again, according to djk, the 5/8 inch adapter with the length is the appropriate one. Hmmm....what to do, what to do.....
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Ed
Fronts: Pre-1955 Klipschorns (slightly modified)
Center: 1984 Klipsch Belle
Sub: Klipsch KSW200
Surrounds: Tannoy PSM6.5's
Receiver: Denon AVR1701
Video: InFocus LP350 DLP front projector
Satellite: DishNetwork 4722 (DD5.1)
DVD: Panasonic A320
S-VHS: Panasonic PV-S7670
LaserDisc: Pioneer CDL-406
CD: Kenwood CD-404 5-Disc Changer
EQ (for CD player only): Furman E151X2
Protection: Furman AV1215 Power Condition/Voltage Reg
Naturally, if they aren't as portrayed, heavy discussions with the seller would be in order.
Cornwall I : A New Record?
in 2-Channel Home Audio
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Hmmmm......I guess I should feel guilty for scoring my Cornwalls for $500 just 2 weeks ago on e-bay. NOT! $51/per to ship from TX to CA. Guess I could re-list them with creative marketing and upgrade to another set of Khorns for rear surrounds instead of CW's. Man o man....decisions decisions.....
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Ed