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3 minutes ago, oldtimer said:
Yea nicotine can be a wild card. Theres studies and working theories. Its another vape advantage I haven't touched on yet. The level of nicotine consumed vaping is ridiculously lower than tobacco cigs. In fact you get to chose the level of nicotine (3mg-20mg) that they add to the juice when you order or buy in person. The pre made juice at good places has no nicotine tell you order then they add it. A few years back I was ordering some with no nicotine. But I normally get the lowest 3mg per 120 ml of juice.
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1 hour ago, Coytee said:
(not directed at you Heritage-Head)
I wonder if some of the vaping crowd is captivated by the utterly huge cloud of exhaust that they emit when they're vaping.
I find it interesting to be at a stop light....and this mammoth chimny of "smoke" comes out someone's car window as they're obviously exhaling.
I just scratch my head and think "Really??? you just had all that crammed into your lungs??"
My wife was a smoker. We dated for 10 years prior to making things legal. One reason was I simply was never going to marry a smoker. I would have not even asked her out in the beginning, had I known then. Fortunately (for her?? for me??) I got to know her away from all that and got intrigued.
I remember how deflated I was when she first lit up in front of me.
Maybe 8 years later, she was in bed and for real or a dream?? (she says for real), she had some chest/lung pains and literally, as of that day, she never smoked again.
Got the nicotine gum to help her with the addition while she changed her habits and then weened herself off the gum.
I don't think my stubbornness made her quit and she's never asked me would I have married her HAD she never quit. (good thing)
Funny thing... as society evolved, I (being accusomed to being around smokers) would go for first available seat for dinner. She got a bit self-rightous and always said we'd wait for non-smoking....and took offense when someone's smoke drifted over to our table.
I just looked at her smiling but was puzzled in the back of my head wondering how could she not NOW see that "that was her".
<shruggs shoulders>
The big clouds are low ohm mech vaping. The are on the list "things that give vaping a bad name" Your strong feeling of not being impressed at all as you looked over (nicest way I could word it) Like: Thinking to your self if a guy walked in front of us and decided to take a large crap just 10ft ahead on the street. Even that would actually be more impressive to you then watching the guy blow fire extinguishes out of his mouth. lmao
Not to tell you what you are thinking but just taking a guess based on how I feel looking over and seeing same thing.
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28 minutes ago, oldtimer said:
Back to a couple of important points. Smoking is bad for your teeth. I don't know if vaping is or not but for sure some of that nicotine must be absorbed by the gums. Have you asked your dentist, or even better, asked a very good dentist who is more interested in patient's health than making money from a business?
Also, is it really debatable that nicotine is bad for human ingestion? Because, obviously, nicotine withdrawal is not a good thing. Is anything that addictive good?
The teeth I don't know haven't read anything on that. The vape is harmless. To give you an idea on the bottle of ejuce. The only warning is this bottle contains nicotine and nicotine can be addictive. thats it nothing else needs to be said. Vaping is healthier than coffee.
Guys im telling you its a harmless nicotine delivery system. Its not in the good for you category. But normal non smokers, non drinkers have things in there diet thats worse. Little debbie snake cakes are killing more people now then alcohol (joking but its not for lake of trying on there part)
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28 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
Eating nicotine can be extremely dangerous, even lethal. The stuff is so toxic that people would get sick simply from handling leaves when they harvested tobacco crops. In plants nicotine serves to ward off bug infestations. Ingesting the stuff has killed pets and children.
Your still almost completely wrong. But you did manage to get some nicotine facts. And absolutely nicotine is a dangerous drug in pure form a drop would probably kill you.
But the information you needed to compare with are those facts in the amount of juice it would take drinking to even have concern. I could buy a 120ml 3mg of nicotine ejuce bottle chug it down and feel terrible but not even be at 5% of what a person would need to drink before nicotine levels get scary.
Your right about eating it. Nicotine gum and patches have huge levels of nicotine. People don't get the fix from the act of smoking so they will pop 4 or 5 pieces of gum one after another. Thats like 2 120ml bottles chugged down. Patches can be dangerous if you put on 25-50.
My point is nothing even cigs are in any danger of getting to much nicotine in your system other than gum. And thats board-line even mentioning as a possible issue.
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21 minutes ago, dtel said:
Is it good for you, I don't think anyone feels it is good for you, (duh) better than the standard cigarette, sure, the combustion is where "most" of the bad chemicals are created.
Like the warning on cigarette packs, really it's funny to me, if your that stupid to not know the risk you deserve whatever happens.
Vaping dry media is still combustion, a true vaporizer is not combustion, but still have "slight" amounts of the same chemicals, just much less. Vaping with liquid, PG or VG or a mix with the target ingredients eliminates almost all if not all of the chemicals made just from combustion, it does nothing to the target ingredients, they are not changed, for the good or bad.
Eliminating all things that are bad for you can help, but still not guarantee of 1 extra day alive, it's all just statistics, driving a car is a much higher risk to hurt you than many of the bad habits.
After filling out many death clams years ago for insurance companies it was clear, I filled out paperwork on people who were much healthier with really much better or perfectly healthy lifestyles compared to may others who should have been dead years ago. One that affected me was someone with the same birthday as me but was a fanatic about what he ate, worked out regularly and was in great shape, never a drink, smoking or drugs to the point his family always joked he would live forever, well his heart just stopped in his sleep is what the autopsy said.
It's all in the numbers. You can end life it but only do so much to extend it, it is what it is.
Don't take this as a vote for bad habits, it's not, even though I have enjoyed many of for a long time.
Considering family health problems, and our average death of males in this family and bad habits, I have already beat the odds if it ends tomorrow.
See tag line for indication of attitude.
The number is zero of anything thats in a cig while smoking it compared the vape. Only nicotine nothing else. There is no smoke none of the long list of chemicals poured into cigs. But what you are right about is no system is completely safe. A a red hot wire coil could burn the wick (run out of juice it its just heat and cotton). Using wire thats got nickel or other chemicals that could be harmful happens. No pre burn during a wire coil could create a few first hits with un desired smoke from the coil (if it has anything coating ion t like a spray that dry on to prevent certain shelf life issues that prevent damage years down the road.
But in the examining science (excluding all operator error data) The e-juices and delivery system the juice uses (vape) share nothing with lighting a cig and smoking other than nicotine. And in the porpoise of the products are of delivering nicotine to hook new customers into smoking there product. Forever! lol
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2 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
We all know that our country is debating universal healthcare insurance, etc. That means we all have a vested interest in how healthy our citizens are. If I am expected to buy others health insurance then I should be able to expect them to be as healthy as possible. And that is the crux of this issue. Healthy lungs are kept that way by not abusing them. Vaping clearly abuses the lungs. And.... as for eating tainted food products....... you get sick. This is why we have gov’t agencies to oversee the chain of our food supply.
You either didn't read my posts or refuse to hear the facts that dispute your opinion before you ever posted here. I cant force to to learn the truth. I presented it told you it was facts. Where on the internet its one click and search to prove my stated facts wrong.
Or You looked realized i was right but are to stubborn to admit it (I can respect that. at least it makes sense) Or you don't care if what I said is true and again stubborn (I can still respect that). But continuing to post false facts makes me think any second your going to post a cool gif and say just kidding!!!!
Lol pease show a fact (a link please) that someone (anyone!) has lung damage from vaping. Anything that supports your wild un true claims or anything disproving any of what I corrected your untrue posts with.
Please Kill it with facts not a personal best guess and im still sticking to it (down with the ship and don't care) mentality lol .
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2 minutes ago, tigerwoodKhorns said:
You can try this. Take what you are going to vape (or your cigarettes) and boil it in butter for a few hours. When done, buy a box of brownie mix and use the butter and bake a pan and enjoy. You can have your vape stuff without vaping. 🤣
its just nicotine silly Nothing to gain putting it brownies. Just a waste really. All the juice would turn to vape and be long gone (burned out) before those brownies got done.
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36 minutes ago, WillyBob said:
don't confuse boiling point with ignition point. The active ingredients "boil" before things start burning/smoking.
some time back, someone came out with a smokeless cigarette. I have a carton or two.... Each cigarette has a tiny piece of charcoal [in a shielding thingy] that heated the tobacco w/o it catching fire.... vaporizing the nicotine...
the term "vape" may have moved out from under me also. It has become associated with e-cigs.... Weren't e-cigs when I started vaping
How did I confuse boing and flash (ignition is a term used for something burning) That can be lower than some things slash point. Flash point means poof. Burning is an interiorly what cigs do not vaping. juice
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18 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
E-cigs make aerosols. Every bit of chemistry in the vaping liquid becomes converted into that aerosol, plus any new chemistries developed in the heating processes. Aerosols can be harmless or not. Make sure that you know exactly what you are breathing. Unfortunately your vapor supplier will not tell you all the chemicals they use in their products. They will simply ask that you ‘trust’ them. Do you really and truly ‘trust’ them with your health? Why would you?
Ingredients need to be available to customers. They still have to adhere to the strict tabacoo laws.
You trust the store or when you order food someplace? You don't know for a fact nothing bad was done. You have no way of knowing if someone boiled your steak in rat poison all night. And then fed to you.
And there no reported issues with people getting sick from vaping. Probably means whatever the rumored bad stuff hasn't happened. Most of these places want to stay in business not get sued and lose at min one customer. No value in hurting people putting bad things in e- juice. But it could happen. No different then it could happen with anything thats going to be consumed. How often do people get sick from rat poison after eating at MCdonalds?
aerosols and e-juice aren't in common by anything. No clue what your getting that from. Is it possible a company sells both products? sure. And probably hotdogs too.
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Something turning into vape has little to no important uses in normal life chores/hobby. A specialized job for something I couldn't guess with a 100 trys. Other than maybe vaping research on improving or adding diffident things I'm sure someone has a job title that means that. Im sure a person who majors in something science that does lab work on testing possible facts not know to be yet tests. Might have read a chapter on it at some point during the 6 year grind.
but common peeps have no reason to learn it if they don't vape. And even people who vape don't care to learn either. Understandable if some info isn't up to normal Klipsch members gold standard when stating information about somthing.
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11 minutes ago, WillyBob said:
don't confuse boiling point with ignition point. The active ingredients "boil" before things start burning/smoking.
some time back, someone came out with a smokeless cigarette. I have a carton or two.... Each cigarette has a tiny piece of charcoal [in a shielding thingy] that heated the tobacco w/o it catching fire.... vaporizing the nicotine...
the term "vape" may have moved out from under me also. It has become associated with e-cigs.... Weren't e-cigs when I started vaping
I know what way your looking at this. Trust me dude completely different than charcoal that heats tabcoo. Tabcco smokes smoke not vape. Unless you turn the tobacco into a liquid that has a boil vape rate thats lower then its flash point. if the boil is hotter than the flash then the liquid cant be vaped. And could start on fire. Probably would. Some liquids wont turn to vape. But dry taboo can not be vaped in that form. Its science. Tabcco even if not catching flame like first smokes as it burns (after reaching its flash point level it will start smoking) thats smoke.
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16 minutes ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
Cute. You know saying it louder or more frequently does not change the facts.😉
Not saying it louder doesn't change your untrue facts, If you have facts that back up what you said that I disagreed with please post them. I didn't use a single ! mark. But a long post deserves attention to some of the main points. I could have wrote it all in this size and everything I said would have been just as true (on facts not parts that were my opinion).
Look im cool with you saying thats disgusting man you poor bastard. Nothing in that is untrue. But what you said was two paragraphs of untrue information pretended as facts. When I disagree I want to least give facts why I disagree or just say imo. For me to tell you that what you said was untrue it required explaining why it was untrue and what in fact is true.
If your gonna toss mud at me. At least use facts. Trust me its not that hard to do. I'm wrong on this forum all the time. Luckily most peps on here just tell me im wrong then tell me why and what is right. Its rare to get the mud treatment with no facts though.
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5 minutes ago, WillyBob said:
no. It is like breathing the "fumes" from a chocolate cake baking. Or a steak on the broiler. It isn't on fire.
Vaping dry material is the same on a smaller scaller. You don't have a puddle of oil to watch boil. It is the same, in principle.
No and no. Vaping coming off boiling water (100% same as vaping juice other then the things the juice has in it water doesnt. But the sience behind smoking juice is 100% the same as if you wanted to smoke water from a boiling pan. That is not the same as a cake thats smoking. The cake can have moisture (water that like boiling water turns to vape) so some of what comes off of somethings cooking could be vape from the moisture turning to vape, But things burn without a visual fire its still smoke not vape.
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5 minutes ago, WillyBob said:
what scares me about these vials of ????
what are they suspending the active ingredients in? You can have problems breathing oils [in general].
I do vape. Not liquid/s. I have a machine that vapes dry plant matter. Heats it to near ignition... and you breath the fumes.
Thats not vaping thats inhaling smoke.
this pic below the liquid juice wets a cotton wick thats wrapped with stainless steal wire into a coil. The batterie heats the coil and the liquid that the cotton absorbed turns into vape. Like when you boil water the smoke that comes off the water thats vape.
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4 minutes ago, oldtimer said:
I think that is called a bong, I mean, I have heard of such devices as described.
Definitely not a bong thats smoke that comes from fire. Everything about that smoke is bad. Vape is not a smoke its vape totally different. It literally is the comparing apples to cow shit.
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1 hour ago, Zen Traveler said:
I can dig healthy living has numerous benefits including chances at a longer life but otoh, Keith Richards and Ron Wood are still alive and feel there is middle ground between "boring" and those two fella's....That said, it makes all of the sense in the world to pay attention to the various research before enjoying/experimenting with "sin" and they should be adults before being promoted to partake. That is where Adult Role Models should enter the picture as parents' teachers, coaches, and anyone else who interacts with the next generation of soon-to-be adults. That's my take.
Really sucks when the good ones go. Jim Morrison or Keith Whitley two others that just hit there prime then died.
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1 hour ago, Coytee said:
Gotta say.... I agree with Bosco
But as someone who's never smoked, drank nor did drugs his entire life.... I can certify that I'm 100% boring.... but also admit it's "easy" for me to walk past those items, I've never had any of those demons to contend with.
Think about how much you used to spend on cigarettes, booze (notice I'm leaving women out of the conversation).... if you had that cash in your pocket today, how much would it be AND how much more pink would your lungs be?
Nothing fun about smoking. You didn't miss any fun believe me. When I quit I rewarded myself every other year with a new tv. first it was a xbr 40" (with one with the glass around it). then it was a 52" xbr. Then it was a 70" sharp then a jvc reference projector and AT screen. Vaping is about $120-150 a year if you build your own coils like I do. Smoking a pack a day is about 3,000 a year and kills you lol.
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3 hours ago, Bosco-d-gama said:
At some moment in life you determined that smoking tobacco was a good enough idea to embrace......... and you got addicted. Now you learn that smoking tobacco was not as nifty as the manufacturers IMPLIED. So instead of quitting tobacco you now believe an entirely new industry telling you that vaping is good/better despite the FACT that there is no proof. Common sense will tell anyone that lungs are evolved for respiration....... not for the intake of chemistries. You got duped once by big ‘lying’ tobacco and now you have been duped a second time by the vaping industry. Did you read the fine print? Notice that when you buy any vaping related product that YOU accept all liability for any consequences caused by using those products. Hmmm, does that not give you cause for concern?
Treat your lungs the way you KNOW they should be treated. Drink your liquor, eat your drugs....... the gastrointestinal system is where foodstuffs go. That is what the gastrointestinal system is evolved to do. I appreciate that you wanted to end a tobacco habit. So end it. Do not replace it with an unknown, unproven, overhyped product. You’re still an addict. Vaping is playing Russian roulette with a .38 instead of a .44.........
Well first I'm not a doctor but..... Vaping is vaper like what doctors give for people that smoke pot (not really my thing but). It comes in liquid just like e juice. And the smoking method is the same. Vaping has no hazards chemicals from the vape. Nicotine is debatable if its good or bad for a person. The addiction part however is still very real.
To date no person has had a single health issue related to vaping (and definitely hasn't killed anyone). It was invented in 1937 and people did start using it in 1966 used with taboo. Didn't get popular tell about 20 years ago.
53 years and not a single health issue is most likely better than almost all the things you and most anybody eat and drink everyday.
Beer and alcohol kills 88,000 people a year. Cigarettes kill someone every 6 sec. And kills 1 out of 3 people that smoke. Thats basically playing Russian roulette with a 3 chamber gun (instead of 6) and one in the chamber.
Yet vaping hasn't even got a person sick yet let alone kill anyone (53 years). Think just how badly BIG TABCOO wants vaping to look bad. You would think they would even make up things to try and spread fear. Yet even with them gunning for vaping. Still not a single health issue.
Trading one bad habit for another isn't smart at all...... agreed. But trading a habit that kills someone every 6 sec for a habit that hasn't even gotten anyones sick in 53 years. Thats a huge 👍
You probably know almost nothing about this topic being that you have never researched the facts about it (just about everything you posted is wrong in terms of the vaping it self). You compared it to smoking from a 38 to a 44. Smoking kills billions and vaping in over 50 years hasn't even got 1 person sick. Thats a horrible comparison. The two share a similar name and have nicotine in both. After that one is a nuclear bomb in your body the other is tap water.
But the part about not trading a bad habit for another Is absolutely true and a good life lesson to any child who hasn't learned it yet. 😁
Since you gave me some advise I feel I should repay you the favor. This is not an excuse to smoke or anything..... but dude if you as you say have never smoked (or even worse smoked for 20-30 years) and tried to quit 20-100 times in that span. My advise is at least research what your giving advise on if you have no experience. Typing paragraphs of un true info is a waste of your time. And its factually untrue information. Probably better to stick with things that you know facts on or about things that don't require real facts (like opinion or personal preference topics 😉)
When I asked a mod if I could discus this topic (breaking forum rules or not). He told me sure np..... but be ready some people will probably lecture you on it (judge).
All good though 👍. Im just trying to chat about some juice flavors. But feel free to dislike it. Its still a bad habit and certainly not something someone would use to try thinking its a life improvement. But going from cigarets that kill billions to a safe product is a life improvement. I wont die from smoking.... but 1 of the 3 guys standing outside smoking will.
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Man 3 page in and not one of you vape.