Brunt

This is what I thought...when using LFE output/input I thought you would bypass the subs crossover anyway?! The reason for turning subs crossover to 120hz or higher was if it didn't have an LFE input, it would be open to accepting all signals (thus cranking subs crossover all the way up) that were sent to it from the AVR's crossover. Elemental Designs recommends doing just this, cranking crossover all the way up because they lack a dedicated LFE input. That way (as explained to me by an employee there) the sub will play everything the AVR's LFE output is giving it.

You must be the fun guy at the party...It's okay to complain, for the time being it's still America.

I see your point. I really do. But the cable companies will eventually need to go 1080 and improve sound quality or they will lose all their business to dish. The only reason I'm with comcast right now is high Internet speed. If another company could provide equal speed Internet I would switch. More and more tempting too! Sunday ticket is now a throw in if you switch to Directv and sign a 2 year contract.

Usually hear good things about Epson...especially UB models.

A little off topic, but the "industry" is VERY close to the mass-release of glasses free 3D TV. I would expect reasonably affordable versions to be available by 2013 from the major manufacturers. I hope not...lol...I was really hoping 3D doesn't catch on. I don't care for what it adds (at least the movies I've seen) and I don't like the idea of replacing BluRay's, etc.. Not to mention, can we please get better cable? We're getting 3D, but every other network uses substandard compression techniques and cable companies intentionally limit bandwith so they can add more customers. I get why, but I hate when new tech is jammed down our throat before existing tech is perfected or even usable in some cases. ESPN NFL football looks incredible, while the NBA on TNT looks like scat! Hell, they STILL haven't moved on screen graphics like scores and such over to the far, proper corner of the 16:9 format. 3D sort of reminds me of the direction Netflix is going...casting aside disc distribution in favor of streaming only. Well, the only problem with that is everyone with a surround sound setup and nice display is going to get screwed out of the resolution and audio quality they paid for the capability to enjoy. IMO Netflix should always have the BluRay disc/mail option for people with nice home theaters. Sorry for the rant, but this 3D push has really caught me off guard and struck me as bizarre.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Good to hear my first $100 cleared, I also sent the rest of the money and you forgot so I'll be by this week for pick up.

Just never thought of low frequency effects as something in the 100hz range, that is what I think is throwing me off.

Well, the 2 I've seen have been in light controlled rooms...as mine will be once I upgrade. I will say this, the immersion level goes through the roof. Once I saw one in home I instantly knew what I was missing. I will continue doing research on Avs but I was interested what you Klipschters were using in your setups.

For those with projectors or with extensive viewing experience, I am wondering what models you have and have experience with for the sake of comparison. Why do you love it? What was better? What did you upgrade from? Anything relating to projectors, good or bad. I'm looking for any and all info. I know this is mainly an audio forum, but there are a bunch of fantastic theater setups here so I wanted to hear about your opinions, preferences, etc.. I'm thinking about taking the plunge once my Sylvania dies and I figured this would be a good place to gather some info along with projectorreviews.com and avsforum. The only experience I have is viewing an Epson 8500UB and another friend's Epson EX70...both LCD projectors so I have no experience with DLP's or any other tech.

So, if LFE content goes from 10-120hz, and your speakers are also playing everythingfrom 60 or 80 and up, why is it called LFE? If I cross my mains over at 60hz, the center at 60 or 70hz and the surrounds at 70hz, I was under the impression the sub is playing everything below 70hz. You're saying there's a separate stream of info playing from 10-120hz? Nevermind the subs crossover, I always open that all the way up and let the AVR send what I want to the sub...which from what I'm reading is all frequencies from 10hz-120hz?

Claims he does, but hasn't supplied me with the items yet. If I grab the RS-3's, I can ask to see the stuff he might have.

Not positive if I understood what you meant but to be clear the .1(lfe channel) is 100% separate from the other channels. It doesn’t take any information from other channels unless you send it there by setting speakers to small and setting a crossover point for those speakers(Bass management). Then and only then does your sub handle bass content from other channels other than the lfe channel. Before we had Dolby digital 5.1 your right the processors took the stereo 2 channel information and then split it into separate channels based on all the info we gave it and it’s processing. But from the very first 5.1(someone might jump in with an earlier one) system tell now we have completely separate channels that have all their own info including a separate lfe channel stored right on the disc. Bass management is where we reroute the low frequencies from those channels (l/r/c/sr/sl) to the sub (on top of the lfe info). Audioholics had a great article on this they did blind fold testing to find out what frequencies really where non directional (it’s said to be 120 Hz). They found that 60 Hz was actually the magic frequency and anything above 60 Hz is where people could stat pointing out where they had placed the sub in the room. So he said when possible run the lfe(sub) at 120hz and the other speakers no higher than 60 Hz. So you don’t get any extra content to the sub from other channels above 60 Hz. This is just one article of one person’s opinion so it’s not facts. Sometimes depending on what speakers we have 60 Hz isn’t an option. Wait, run the sub at 120hz? I don't understand...shouldn't the sub be set to run everything UNDER 60hz?

2 Chicks at the same time, man!

+1 to this...I am running the above amp through the RC-3 alonside a pair of RF-62's and in my 21x12x8 room there are ZERO output issues...although the OP's room is drastically different so I'm not sure my statement brings anything to the table... It may not but that hand rolled cigarette in your mouth certainly does! Lol Effin' A man...Effin' A!

+1 to this...I am running the above amp through the RC-3 alonside a pair of RF-62's and in my 21x12x8 room there are ZERO output issues...although the OP's room is drastically different so I'm not sure my statement brings anything to the table...

How big is your listening room?

This thread has officially jumped the shark...among other things.

I have this AVR...and he is correct, I love it. Seems like an unbeatable value for the price.

No problem Jason.. Lol.... Hey brunt.... I think he means me when he says Jason. BTW dary, why only the XPA-3? When not on sale, maybe the $200 difference between that and the XPA-5?

Your description of the Heritage guys reminds me of the older, more tolerant members of my Sylvania forum.

No problem Jason.. I am not sure why you would think Brunt is Jason,,,,,,,, However I have thought Brunt seems a lot like jacksonbart LOL...Actually darylomer12, my name IS Jason as well...different last names as you can tell by our screen names. If you gentlemen are serious about thinking I am somebody else, I can post pictures of my setup as soon as my room is put back together as I recently sunk a cabinet into a wall and haven't finished cleaning up yet. I can also take pictures which clearly show my face while holding up a copy of that day's paper and a copy of my birth certificate all while the evening news is playing in the background. It's odd, I was told this forum was a judgement free zone, but I've already had someone take shots at my portrait and make fun of my AV setup...tough crowd I guess. We all don't have money for fancy projectors and dedicated "man-towns".

Definately a joke.. You'd have to sit pretty darn close to actually see a picture on a 19" screen. Thanks for bagging on my stuff.

Well for starters, he has much nicer gear than me...so, no.

Klipsch went to a tapered array design(2.5 way) to eliminate the comb filtering that can occur with horizontally imposed speakers. Here is a few threads that explain things a bit. http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/78827/782136.aspx#782136 http://community.klipsch.com/forums/p/131169/1326871.aspx#1326871 I believe a 6.5 inch driver will produce better midrange frequencies than an 8 inch especially with dialog which is a center channels main function. Bill I love a good debate as much as anyone. But I think we are just beating a dead horse at this point. Music like movies both have voices its no different. And Jason I really feel youre arguing just argue at this point. No offence but you almost sound like people that argue that hitler was a some kind of genius and not a mad man when you take some of these sides. A Hitler reference! Ladies and Gentlemen...The Klipsch Forums!!!! Lol...

A large (tall) center speaker would need to either place the screen very high up and or make it smaller, unless you were using an accoustically tranparent screen and the speaker(s) is located behind the screen which is sometimes done, more often in large theaters. For convenience it is easier to use a center speaker that is horizontally designed which is easier to place either under or above the screen. Yeah...but what about a smaller square shape like the thx center? I wasn't referring to another tower...you're telling me that price aside, most here couldn't fit thx frontstage in their room without transparent screen? I disagree...that's all. I have a dedicated HT room. With that in mind, I placed the screen at the appropriate height for ideal viewing and then found the largest screen (width-wise) I could fit between two RF-82s. It's a 110" diagnol. At 120" my towers block the screen, so 110 was my height. I went with a 16:9 screen for price/use reasons and I am left with 20" of floor to screen clearance. If I wanted my center on the floor, I could use the THX center. I could not use the THX R/L speakers w/o decreasing my screen size. That's me. Several companies do make vertical centers, but they don't have the same WAF. As an example of the importance of this, JJC has a very expensive amp and went from RF-62s to RF-7 IIs for purely for the coolness factor. How cool is it to have an awkward square center sitting on your floor? My buddy uses a KG center in his system and it sounds fantastic! I wouldn't hesitate to use a Heresy with a pair of Cornwall's or LaScalla's, but the horizontal center has much better aesthetics. Again, the centers are heavily engineered to compensate for the horizontal configuration, and through that engineering, they sound great and I wouldn't hesitate to use a 64 with 7s. I'm okay with the opinion that the 64 sounds better than a 7 in the center, but for the BEST POSSIBLE timbre matching, three identical are king. For those that don't care of timbre matching (JJC) that's great. The 64 is one d*** fine center that any audiophile would be pleased to have in his/her system! I think we can all agree on that (except that there have been some recent threads where people have had issues with their 64, so even that is debatable). I get your point.