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Thanks a lot for your help. I've got it sounding pretty good but it is completely intolerable having to turn the volume up and down all the time. My girl and I watch movies all the time and she constantly has me turn it up so we can hear what people are saying. You literally have to crank some movies just to hear voices. They always sound muffled out, like they are talking through a pillow or something. My last system was like that too. Problem is that you turn the volume up to hear the voices and when an action scene or anything of the sort comes, you get blown out of the room. All this equipment and half the time for the past year we end up just watching movies in stereo so we can relax and enjoy it. Not sure what the problem is but I can not find a fix. I have tried numerous forums and Googled for days. Back to stereo I guess! It sucks when she says, "surround sound is so annoying."

Thanks for your input. I think what is confusing me the most is that 80hz is the THX standard. My WF-34 start at about 50hz. This said, a lower crossover of 60 for the sub would give more bass output to the WF-34. The WC-24 starts at about 85hz. The Quintets start off at 120hz. If I set the crossover on AVR to 120hz with the sub LPF bypassed, I get excellent sound detail throughout the system and due to the fact that all the low frequencies are being handled directly from the sub and everything above 120hz all my speakers can handle effortlessly. Sad thing is, I get lousy bass response with AVR crossover at 120hz. With AVR crossover at 80-100 the bass is very strong but I lose everything between 80 and 120 from my Quintets. I can not seem to find a happy medium. Hope this is not all too confusing. I only have one crossover in AVR for all speakers is the problem. If I had the capability of adjusting crossover per set of speakers I would be all that much better off. I'm just trying to get as much as my WF-34 will handle while retaining as much detail as possible in the Surrounds without boomy bass. Thanks again for your response. Here's the manual: http://static.tigerdirect.com/pdf/RX-V765_manual.pdf

I was just watching a movie with the fronts set to large and sub set to both. The bass knocked a shelf off the wall and was causing major jackhammer vibration on the door to the room. way too much bass. I switched back to all speakers set to small, sub LPF all the way up and volume about half. Any suggestions regarding the level setting on the AVR for the sub. It's really hard to decide what sounds good when watching a movie. When I get it adjusted and sounding great in a movie, it doesn't sound nearly as good in another movie or music for that matter. I have been trying everything and keep starting over, hoping for better results. It is certainly addicting! Thanks for all your help guys. What is coner loading? Do you mean cornering the sub? My entire system is less than a year old, I'll be divorced if I buy any new equipment yet. LOL. One other thing, What do you guys suggest for settings to get more from the front speakers without setting them to large. When set to small, they seem to barely use their potential. I understand that they are not able to be full-range or provide enormous bass. But my wf-34 fronts do have pretty damn good power and sound alone. It's a shame to just get highs from them at the small setting. When the wf-34's push bass, my sub matches them very good. Sorry for all the questions. I just get really good ideas and learn a lot from these forums. Thanks in advance for any and all support.

I do not have the capability of setting individual crossover for each speaker. At this point I have all my speakers set to small and crossover at 120hz. I have the sub LFP all the way up bypassing its crossover. I believe this is how it works. My Fronts get very little output unless set to Large. I set the Fronts to large and the sub to Both. This combination with the AVR set to 120hz gives really good detail and overall smooth bass throughout. I also, as suggested, downloaded an android app for a Sound Meter and set all levels for each speaker to match in decibels. That made a serious impact on unity between my speakers. Right now I am fine tuning the sub and AVR crossover for best performance. In all, I have come quite a way from where I started. Any further suggestions are always welcome and I Thank all of you for your helpful input.

That would be sweet! Not sure where you saw that but I will certainly be taking a closer look. I was actually thinking of buying a new network receiver with intentions of specifically aiming for individual crossover settings. If my receiver is capable, I've never figured out how. I have spent many hours toying with it. Thanks for the heads up, I will go take a look at pages 54-55. I'll be like a kid in the candy store if it's true. Thanks again, I'll check back shortly! I read the entire manual front to back and the only adjustments for individual speakers are level and distance. Oh well, my next receiver will certainly have crossover capabilities for each speaker. Thanks again!

That would be sweet! Not sure where you saw that but I will certainly be taking a closer look. I was actually thinking of buying a new network receiver with intentions of specifically aiming for individual crossover settings. If my receiver is capable, I've never figured out how. I have spent many hours toying with it. Thanks for the heads up, I will go take a look at pages 54-55. I'll be like a kid in the candy store if it's true. Thanks again, I'll check back shortly!

I will try an SPL in the near future. My speakers Front, Center match up pretty well with the EQ off. The Quintets are fairly spread out and a distance from the mains making them not stand out drastically. You mentioned 100 hz, I actually had it set at 80 and then 120 earlier today. 120 on the AVR gave great detail all around but lacked in bass hits. I bumped it down to 110 before I read this and also set the sub at 110. Not sure if this is the correct way to do it but without adjusting the gain down, I barely get any bass response. I have to have them match or get lousy response. I actually have all the speaker levels set all the way at max and adjust the distances to achieve my desired sound. Maybe that is incorrect? YPAO sets the levels way too low. I am going to try your suggestion and set my AVR and sub to 100 and see what I get. Not sure what others use for volume but I hardly ever watch a movie any louder than -32db. Is it possible that the YPAO is setting the levels lower and I just need to use more volume? I always figured it was bad for the speakers to go close to 0db. I'm a developer / designer, definitely not an audiophile at this point. It is very interesting and far more complex than I had realised. "Boosting the 3.5-6 kHz", I'd imagine means in the EQ, correct? Thanks a lot guys for the suggestions, they are greatly appreciated and I learn a ton from asking all these noobie questions.

Great idea for the SPL Meter. I would have never thought of that. I had bought an SPL Meter from Radio Shack a while back and gave it a go. Not much was accomplished. Thanks for the tips.

For a little over a year now I have had the components in my signature. I am using the RXV-765 Yamaha receiver with WF-34 Fronts, WC-24 Center, Quintet Surrounds and Synergy Sub 12. Though I was Gung Ho when I first got the setup, it sounds nice but has always been difficult to enjoy without the volume cranked. Using YPAO always sets odd distances and very low levels. I am wondering what the best crossover setting would work for me when my fronts start at 45hz, center at 85hz and surrounds 120hz. I think I have this right. Right now I have all speakers set to small, 120 for receiver crossover and sub all the way up, which is 120 also for crossover. I get more unified sound between the fronts and sub with the receiver set to BOTH rather than SUB. It would be nice to get this right and be able to hear the dialogue in movies, have smooth but somewhat powerful bass and retain details from the surrounds. Unless I'm missing something, I either get really good bass and low detail or lack in LFE and have amazing detail. Sorry if this sounds confusing, I have been researching and trying different settings for a week now and can't settle. One other request would be how or what source of sound do people use for setting up their system? I just find a good part in a movie and keep replaying it until it sounds good. Unfortunately that works for that movie and sounds off in another movie. Would be nice if my receiver didn't have to block the screen (OSD) to make adjustments. Anyway, I would truly appreciate any tips from more experienced users or maybe someone with a similar setup to mine. Thanks in advance for any and all replies regarding this confusion of mine. Incloud!