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Robocop (2014) This was not as terrible as I thought it would be. While I still don't like the changes they made as far as Murphy's awareness of his situation and the family dynamic, this was still a worthy update to the original. Combat wise, this Robocop is far more agile and dynamic than his 1990's counterpart. 3.5 out of 5 Not a whole lot of outrageous LFE effects. Not a knock against it. It is not one of those overly aggressive mixes where gunshots sound like cannon fire.

I'm going to run a bunch of tests this weekend - Fronts set at 80Hz, Fronts set at 60hz, Fronts set at 40Hz and finally Fronts set as Full with the double bass setting on and, if allowed, then off. The fuller sound I experienced was not really in the bassy range..I think. It was the horn instruments in the Bridge of Khazad Dum track. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUIZvAe3RBg Specifically from 1:26 - 1:45, 2:24 - 2:56, 3:19 - 3:54 Then the full roar of the Balrog - in the theater, it is one of the very few times I ever exclaimed loudly during a movie - good Lord! Did the cats ever scatter. If this is something that can be duplicated/remedied by the performance of the subwoofer then I will definitely tweak that as well and look into upgrading.

I'm sorry..I wasn't too clear on my experience. When I stated that the effect was more dramatic, it was not the LFE/Bass effects I was referring to - though the Bridge of Khazad Dum sequence with the Balrog is my go to for showing off my surround system/subwoofer - it was the range of sound coming out of the KF-28s. Fuller, more expressive.

I initially set the crossover at 80Hz and played the aforementioned material from Lord of The Rings (cats hated it) and Robocop. We then ran the Audyssey setup and it set the crossover at 40Hz. This made sense to me since I read about this on a few other forums and the consensus was to set the crossover right before full range speakers hit the low point of their range. Gotta say, the effect was more dramatic. I understand the concern about not pushing a lot of work on the speakers so I will experiment with a crossover between 40Hz and 60Hz. Way ahead of you. I never mess with that setting. It was set at 120 and that is where it always stays.

I'll keep looking on CL, but it is pretty bare right now.

" If the speakers are xo at 80 it will be near impossible to blow them. The bass sucks power and at and 80 xo, that will not be a problem." I'll probably cross them over above 80 if the Audyssey setup sets them higher. "The GF also makes some good points" Shhhhh...don't let her hear you say that.

I'm not as easily seduced by mere wattage numbers as I appear to be. I also pay attention to the sensitivity of the speakers. Since I am now dealing with more high end stuff, I am also taking note of the frequency response. I just wanted to make sure that I did not overlook anything that could potentially result in damage to recently purchased speakers. Even though I think she should get the dedicated surrounds, I have a feeling that my gf is going to nab the bookshelf speakers. All I can do is try and convince her to get the center channel now and wait to see if Best Buy puts the rest of the Icon line on clearance. Just one other item that I hope can be clarified. The KF-28 is listed as having a crossover frequency of 1800 Hz. What exactly does that mean? Is it related in anyway to the crossover for the subwoofer to deal with lower frequencies? I warned my gf that we were going down a rabbit hole.. Now the primitive part of my brain is thinking "need moar speakers, with moar woofers and tweeters made from unicorn horns. MOAR POWAHHH!!"

Thanks for all the responses. @IbizaFlame, Scrappydue - They were open box, 169.00 each plus 6 month financing. Don't worry, you are not "putting down" my speakers or hurting my feelings. You're telling me the facts based on cumulative years of experience. The cost of those open box speakers are pretty much our operational budget. She would not have purchased them if they weren't open box/that price. As much as we are digging them, we are both well aware that they are merely the entry level series of the high end club. For our current space and room arrangement, these are just fine for us. JIm, your statement about the potential issues from an underpowered speaker concerns me, but the receiver was only purchased last year and we cant afford a new one with 'moar powah'. So fingers crossed and pray to Crom.

I think for now I will try and convince her to focus on getting the center channel and then maybe upgrade to a klipsch subwoofer. The old speakers that came as part of the HTIB can continue to soldier on. Maybe if we come across an open box sale for the KF-26s we can then use those as surrounds In all seriousness, we will be keeping an eye out at Best Buy to see when they put this series on ultra clearance prices. Thanks for your help.

Thank you. Currently, this is for 5.1 viewing. Would the difference in RMS rating be more of an issue for a center channel or front left/right??

Hello all, I am new to these forums and I am hoping that someone can clarify some issues for me. First some background - My gf recently purchased two 'open box' Klipsch KF-28 speakers. She's had her eye on these for sometime so she was not going to pass this up. These are replacing the fronts for the included speakers for a Onkyo HTSP904 system that was upgraded with a TX-NR616 receiver. I've always mentioned that speakers need to be timbre matched, so while we did not hear any glaring mismatch when we ran the Bridge of Khazad Dun sequence from Lord of The Rings and a couple of scenes from the Robocop remake (was it just me or was the LFE for that movie disappointing), we are planning on getting the KC-25 as soon as possible. Since the surrounds are mainly ambience, those are not a huge priority - but still on the table. Here's where things get wacky. My gf is seriously debating getting the KB-15s to use as surrounds. Her argument is that they can be used as emergency fronts or pull double duty as stereo monitors for another system. What is partially driving her line of thinking is that the KS-14s are only rated to 50W RMS while the receiver is 100W per channel and there is some concern about what will happen when we watch movies near or at the receiver's reference level volume. Are we worrying over nothing? Since these are surround speakers, is it correct to say that the amount of 'work' they will perform over the course of a movie is not at the level of the front three? Also, would it be practical to, for example, have a center channel speaker that is only rated at 75W RMS being pushed by a 100W per channel receiver? Thanks in advance. These are the only issues bugging us for now. We already got through the 'where to crossover' for the KF-28s (right around 35hz..might bump it up a bit)