Goon

I'd say the Onkyo or Denon out of the receivers your mentioned. Bottom line is you have to go listen, and let your ears decide. Check out www.outlawaudio.com too. Look at the Outlaw 1050. I've never heard one of these receivers, or seen one, but a lot of people on this board say they are excellent products. The company is internet based, so prices are good and right in your range. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

I'm curious, why are you pushing for 6.1 and DTS-ES right now? In my opinion, on a $1500 budget, I would drop the rear center, and put that money toword your receiver instead. Get a better receiver capable of 6.1, DTS-ES, and whatever else you want now, and add that rear center in a few months when you have a little more money. That way your up and running in 5.1 now with a better receiver, and when you get a chance, you can move to 6.1 for a couple hundred dollars. I would break your budget down like this: Klipsch Synergy System 6 - $700 A/V Receiver - $600 DVD Player - $200 Don't forget about cables too. The price of some decent interconnects and speaker cable could put another $100 or so in the mix. Sorry I don't have any specific receiver suggestions, but I would definitely look into Onkyo. Of course, before my Integra (owned by Onkyo), I owned an Onkyo 727, so I think I'm biased. I've always liked the Onkyo sound over other comparable recivers, and the Integra is even better yet. I wouldn't rule out Denon, and especially Yamaha in that price range too. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

Boa, actually my signature contains MY equipment list. (Integra, Klipsch, etc..) The room and equipment I'm trying to setup are my girlfriends. She has a Yamaha receiver and Canton speakers. I don't think the Yamaha has distance settings, it does have levels and delay though. I'll have to see what I can do with that. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

Nope, can't move the couch left. The room looks like this (forgive the ascii art) - LF -/ TV /- RF -- --------------- -----------/ C / -----------/ O / -----------/ U / -----------/ C / -----------/ H / - SL-------SR -- It can't be moved around. I setup her system by ear originally, but since I've bought an SPL meter and Avia setup disk since then, I was going to do my best to fine tune. Its definitely not an ideal room layout. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV This message has been edited by Goon on 05-17-2002 at 02:11 PM

How do you setup a system when the main listening position is NOT directly in front of the TV? I'd like to adjust my girfriends system, but her main listening position is a couch to the right of the TV. Do I place the SPL meter where the main listening position will be on the couch? Or do I put it where the theoretical sweet spot is? ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV This message has been edited by Goon on 05-17-2002 at 11:34 AM

Whoa! I can't believe those Mondial Magics are $99! Thats a little pricey for something that may, or may not, solve my problem. Oh well, I'm gettin one anyway. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

Thanks. I'm 100% sure that my only ground loop problem is with the cable line. I think my receiver is the only other component with the safety ground, and I don't know if the outlet my sub is on and the outlet my other equipment is on are on the same circuit. I'll have to check. I'll probably pick up the magic unit, but just to try it, I'll give the 3:2 a try as well. Thanks guys. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

Thanks guys, I'm going to get my hands on a Mondial Magic unit. Another question though Boa. My sub manual specifically says never to use a 3:2 adapter, and I'm pretty aprehensive about going against that recommendation. Can you explain what the safety ground you referred to really does, and why it doesn't bother you to remove them with the 3:2 splitters? Guess I don't know enough about electrical circuits.. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

I have a problem with my sub humming, and I'm out of ideas on trying to get rid of it. I've done a few things that have minimized it, but its still there. The hum originates from my outside cable tv connection. I have coax going to my cable box, and I connect the RCA audio outs of the cable box to my receiver. If I disconnect the coax at the wall jack in my living room, the hum goes away completely. I have added a grounding block to the coax line, so the line comes in from outside, to the grounding block, then to the jack. Its grounded to some water pipes. This helped quite a bit, but did not completely get rid of the hum. I added another ground wire to the block, but that did not help. I've also added a monster cable HTS850 power center the cable runs through before getting to my receiver. Its more of a surge protector, but I thought I'd try it since I needed a power center anyway. No luck. What else can I do? Do I need to add more grounding blocks? I'm pretty sure there is already one outside that grounds the line where it attaches to the cable box. Its actually getting worse. While I was watching TV today, the hum would get loud for about 30 seconds, then subside. It did it about 20 times. Any help is greatly appreciated. Like I said, I'm out of ideas. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

Just wanted to give this a bump up. I'm really curious about more uses for this SPL meter. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

On HornEd's advice, I used an SPL meter for my speaker level adjustments this weekend, and what a difference it made! Thanks HornEd. I'm now wondering what other adjustments the meter can help me with? How do I use the meter to find standing waves and correct bass problems? Is there a way to use an SPL meter to help with sub placement? Also, when doing speaker level adjustments, what should the sub's level be set to? I had my sub at around 1/4 turn (about +5db), then used the receiver level to adjust it to 70db with the rest of the speakers. Is that the right procedure? Hope I'm not rehashing things that have been repeated too much, but I couldn't find my answers by searching the forum. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

Keith, unfortunately I don't have the AudioQuest CV4 anymore to try that out. Had to return it to the store. I'll still try the 12/14 gauge monster when I get a chance though. Famerkid, I'd have to say I always let my ears do the decision making when it comes to audio. On the technical side, you may be right. I don't know and don't claim to know about the specifics of signal transfer over cables. For me its just about what I hear. The more expensive cable made an audible difference worth $225 - to me. They'll go back if the 12/14 gauge monster accomplishes the same or very near the same. We'll soon see. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

Well someone asked me to report back on this, so I figured I should. At the moment, what I've done is the reverse of what most of you recommended, although I am still not done with this cable experiment. Instead of going with plain 12/14 gauge monster type twisted, I bought the much more expensive monster 1.4 biwire cable ($225 for a 10' pair) I had been looking at. I figured I could just return them if I didn't like them. The difference is incredible over my previous non-biwired monster cvx 2. Everything improved A LOT. Highs are not as harsh, midrange is MUCH more defined and dynamic, and bass response is tighter. All in all, in my opinion, an improvement drastic enough to justify the expense. Just for comparisons sake, I am still planning on picking up a spool of 12/14 gauge plain monster twisted, and biwiring with that to compare the expensive versus cheaper cable. I'll report back on that later. Just keeping anyone who is interested (is anybody?) informed. ------------------ Klipsch Epic CF-3s Klipsch KLF-C7 Center Klipsch RS-3 II Surrounds Sunfire MKIV True Sub Integra 8.2 Receiver Pioneer DVD player Monster Cable Interconnects and Speaker Cable JVC 32' TV

I had a humm when I connected my new Sunfire recently. Mine was due to a ground problem in my cable line coming in from the outside. I was told this is a fairly common cause of subwoofer hum because the cable lines coming in from outside are often not grounded correctly. The fix was a $2.00 ground loop isolator from radio shack, and about 20 minutes of my time. Worked great and completely eliminated my hum. Might want to give that a try.

BrentMann, So far I like my 8.2 a lot. You're right though, not many people seem to own Integra. I don't know why, I think the whole line is relatively new. I've been waiting for audioreview to put the 8.2 up to hear other's opinions too. I haven't messed with the ABUS, and I don't think I will anytime soon. I just got mine a month ago, so I'm still working on adjusting the audio settings (this is my first HT setup) and getting the remote programmed right. I'm not happy with the default layout, and not all of my equipment is supported, so I am still using multiple remotes. I downloaded the ChanEdit software, and when I have time I am going to create a fully custom layout. My CD player just took a dive, so I'm thinking of picking up the Integra 6.2 disc changer too. Good luck with the ABUS........

I just recently purchased an Integra 8.2 receiver with Pro Logic II, and so far I like it a lot. I use it most when watching cable TV. It creates a pretty convincing surround field with a stereo source. I'm not a fan of listening to music in multichannels though - yet. I'd say go for a receiver that includes Pro Logic II.

Hmmm. Plain monster type twisted huh? I take it you guys don't necessarily buy into the expensive cable thing. I've heard/read varying opinions on the effectiveness of higher priced cables versus plain twisted monster type stuff. I've run Monster CX2 ($75/pr, not biwired) since I've had my epics, but I'm looking to biwire now. I'll give some plain twisted a try this weekend. Maybee it'll satisfy me, and save the $200-$300 I was budgeting for new cables. Any other thoughts?

I'm looking for opinions on good cable to biwire my front CF-3s. Just spent a week auditioning AudioQuest CV-4. I thought the cable made my speakers actually too harsh and brought out too much high end. Can I take a quick poll and ask what cable you guys use for your mains? Any answers would be appreciated.

I think I'll be heading out for an SPL meter and a setup DVD too. Thanks HornEd.

Thanks, but I couldn't do it in the room I have right now. Once I have a larger house, and dedicated room for a home theater setup, I may go floor standing in the rear. Who knows. Just tryin to setup and cable everything I have right now for optimum performance. Thats why I am wondering about biwiring and sub placement. Thanks for the offer though.

Thanks to the advice from this forum, my new HT system is finally complete. Just wanted to say thanks for the help, and ask a couple more newbie questions. Here is my new system: Integra 8.2 Receiver Klipsch Epic CF-3s Fronts (Monster MCX2 cable) Klipsch KLF-C7 Center (Monster MCX 1 cable) Klipsch RS-3II Surrounds (Monster XPHP cable) Sunfire MKIV Subwoofer (Monster 351 cable) Used for 70% music, 30% movies Here come the questions: 1) I'm thinking of biwiring the fronts with Monster 1.4 cable. I've had the CF-3s for 6 years running off an Onkyo 727 with the MCX2 cable. I've heard mixed opinions on the advantages/disadvantages of biwiring, and I'm wondering if the improvement is worth the cost of the cable. Specifically, I'm wondering if biwiring will bring out bass and midrange more. Thoughts? Also, any other biwired cable recommendations other than Monster? 2) What is the preferred place to put a subwoofer if it cannot be along the same wall as the fronts? I live in a townhouse, and my system is against a shared wall. I originally put the sub in a corner next to my fronts. Of course, that is where the manual recommends, and where it sounded best, but it was bothering the neighbors too much. Right now, I have it in the opposite corner against the back wall. That seems fine for home theater, but for music it doesn't blend well. Any ideas? Should I try for the middle of the room? Cabling would be really hard with that though. Thanks

Thanks mobile. Goon has been a long standing nickname for me since my college volleyball days. I walked into my first practice, coach took one look at me, turned to a player and said "Thats one big Goony mother ****er." Its been with me since that day. I'm a 6'7", lanky, size 15 wearing, clumsy, slow Goon. Basically the personification of the word. What can you do. I take it forresthump is in the Goon class too. Malcom thanks. I can't see the "UNAUTHORIZED DEALERS" link from work because I am using a Solaris UNIX platoform, and an older version of Netscape, but I'll take a look at home in Internet Explorer. This message has been edited by Goon on 12-18-2001 at 02:18 PM

I am looking for a pair of RS-3II surrounds, so I went to Yahoo and did a search. It brought up dozens of Yahoo Shopping sites, and tons of "non-Yahoo" sites selling them from $349-$400/pair. That is much cheaper than the $550 price tag on them at my local Klipsch retailers like Tweeter. Those prices have me a little skeptical. Are these reliable sources to buy from? Is it possible they are scams, or unauthorized dealers? If you buy from an unauthorized dealer, is the Klipsch warranty void? Any comments would be appreciated. Calling Klipsch is proabably my best bet here, but I thought I'd ask here first.

I'm thinking of buying a pair of RS-3IIs for surrounds to use with my Epic CF-3 fronts and KLF-C7 center channel (on the way from uBid). I've been told those speakers will work well with my fronts and center, but I'm not sure if they will work well with my room. Does anyone have any experience placing surrounds in a room with a cathedral ceiling? Without getting into the details of the room, I can tell you the only place I have to mount surrounds is about 4 to 5 feet above the listener. Is there some kind of wall mount that would allow me to angle the RS-3s tword the listening area so the sound from them is not lost over the listeners head? I could build some kind of mount if one doesn't exist, but is that even a good idea? Are the RS-3s designed to be mounted flush against a wall? Would angling them diminish performance? Also, is it better to mount them directly left and right of the listener, or slightly behind? Sorry about the volume of questions, but I'm not sure how to proceed with finishing my HT setup until I get some advice on what to do about surrounds. Thanks again.

Thanks for your help guys. I called Klipsch and asked them for some advice as well. I've got a KLF-C7 on the way from uBid. Can't wait till it gets here.