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Just so wondering what everyone's opinion is on upgrading Chorus II's with Crites crossovers and tweeters vs buying the RF 7 II. Which will perform better for HT and 2 channel?
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Interesting. I would think it would mess with the soundstage imaging for 2 channel. I don't really have the ability to run 4 subs in the room anyways... Furniture, fireplace, etc. I need to stick with two and try for seamless pairing and the ability to keep up with my Chorus's.
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Yes, Denver, Colorado... Where your music listening pleasure can be enhanced legally... Truly in the "sweet" spot
As for Rythmik, I'm reading really good things about them and they seem to be the choice for many audiophiles. Haven't ruled them out by any means. As for filling my large room, the Chorus's do it with ease. Along with the kitchen and up to the bedrooms above. Just seeking a pair of tight music focused subs that can keep up with them.
Would not adding more subs in multiple corners screw up the soundstage for music? Music is my goal, HT is completely secondary.
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25 minutes ago, willland said:25 minutes ago, willland said:
Most likely someone(someones) will direct you towards DYI subs so wait on that before you pull the trigger on anything.
DIY... I don't think that's an avenue I will go down. Just replacing the crossovers and tweeters in my Chorus's with Crites is as much as I want to handle.
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1 hour ago, RoboKlipsch said:
My 2c is dependent upon your true goal --
If you want to fill the room and are going to listen to 2 channel music almost all the time, that's one big room.
I listened to the horn subs at SWL's place once, and I have never heard music sound as good as it did in his listening room.
I believe he had 2 right next to each other and I could not identify what they were at first and thought they were furniture.
They were that solid, strong and invisible blending with the music. They were made by a member here in the forum.
I think you could scale 2 up to any potential SPL output needed.
If you like home theater or TV and want the full effect than I would have to push towards ported subs.
Although bigger is usually lower tuned, bigger is not always necessary, that depends more upon your preference - does it need to play low LFE from movies?
For that size room, I would strongly consider changing your mindset and getting 4 of something that are lesser but still impressive.
In that size room 4 will balance things out across the listening positions and provide a big boost in overall output.
Which sub to get depends upon how many you get. I can't stress enough (imo) that getting 4 lesser ones would provide a better result than 2 better ones.
2 or 4 of the SVS PCs would be really nice, but I question how tall they are and if you really want that in your room, even in the corners.
But if you end up with just 2 subs, get the ones with the most output as that's one big room.
Again I can't say enough times how much happier I think you'll be with at least 2, and preferably 4.
2 channel stereo music is my main use. I actually like the cylinder look of the SVS PC-12s. They're the same height of my Chorus II's. From what I have researched they're very tight and perform well for 2 channel music when placed just to the outside of the mains and ports are sealed. I was concerned it may be too much bass, as I'm not looking to shake the foundation and not much of action movie fan. Occasional movie watching in 5.1(2) is about the extent of my theatre interest. Not sure if four subs would be necessary.
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2 hours ago, Grizzog said:
I had REL in the past. They sound great but won't come close to keeping up with your Chorus.
I've got an HSU ULS 15Mk2 with my Altec 19s that does a great job.
My R-115SW actually sounds fantastic with my fortes.
I'd recommend either of those, but you'd probably want at least a pair. I'm guessing many here will suggest DIY or horn loaded for extra power.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI checked out the 15Mk2. It seems quite solid. Will look further into them.
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Looking for a little feedback on a good subs (2) for my Chorus II's. 2 channel stereo is my goal. Currently have one sealed servo 12" Velodyne that does a decent job at lower levels, but can't keep up at high volumes.
My room is large, 8500+ square feet in volume. 19' x 23' with an open flat ceiling 20' above. Have to use long wall. To the left is a fireplace and windows on each side. To the right is open to the rest of the house and stairs. Rear is basically half wall open to kitchen, the other half a solid wall. Not the best acoustic environment, but getting a full fabric sectional the runs the entire length of the rear wall actually helped. My Chorus's sit approx 13' on each end of my cabinets and 65" LED. The sweet spot on the sectional is also 13' from the front, forming a perfect triangle.
Anyhow, a dealer is pushing my towards a pair of REL T9's (sealed 10" front firing) due to their SpeakON high level connection. I still have concerns about them matching well with My Chorus II's and filling my listening room. I'm leaning towards a pair of SVS PC-12 Plus with a normal LFE connection to a very near in the future Marantz 7011 av. Will probably still use sub crossovers instead of receiver's for 2-channel stereo.
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The Simply Speaker passive repair kit showed up today. If I have time this weekend I'll get 'er done. Meanwhile, I'll be using the ripped passive as a port.
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7 minutes ago, Weber said:
While you're getting it fixed, remove it and replace it with a port. (drill a ~ 4" hole in a circle of 3/4" plywood that you can cut using the PR as a template.
I believe it's designed to work with a passive and not a port.
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4 minutes ago, ZEUS121996 said:
I guess they are still selling gear but the repair department is shut down while they move. I called them to have the 15 passive on my Forte 2s repaired and they referred me. Did you tell them specifically it was a passive?
Mark
Yes, it was for the passive. Hopefully it won't be a hard repair. The guy I was talking to made it sound like it was quite easy, but he never offered me the option of Speaker Exchange doing the work. If he had, I would have opted for that instead of a repair kit that cost almost double. Just my luck.
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3 hours ago, Grizzog said:
All the parts are easy to replace and you'll love it.
Just a small correction, the tweeters are titanium.
5 minutes ago, ZEUS121996 said:Simply Speakers isn't taking on any work right now as they are moving. They referred me to the Speaker Exchange who said they would recone my passive for $35-40 plus shipping
Mark
I called Simply Speaker on Friday and all they told me is they have a "repair kit" that is $75 for the passive.
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Yes, titanium... my mistake.
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I ordered a repair kit from Simply Speakers for the passive... $75. It does look like a mouse could have been the culprit, but we have two cats and have seen no evidence of mice in our house. I'm still puzzled as to how it happened. Anyhow, I'm going to order the Crites crossovers and aluminum tweeters. The tweeters look simple enough to replace, hopefully the crossovers won't be too difficult.
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If I go with the B&W's CM10's or Revels 206's, or possibly the 208's, I would more than likely pair the Chorus II's with my Pioneer SX-980 for the time being as it's headed down to the basement. The wife has been very patient with me having my retro Pioneer C-88's,or as she calls them "Brady Bunch speakers", in our family room, but them and the SX-980 are distend for the basement, which isn't necessarily a bad thing being basement bound. It tends to be a man cave type of retreat during parties and is where my vinyl is stored along with some other 70's relics. A keg-a-rator and a pool table and gym equipment helps round off the basement.
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On 9/13/2016 at 5:49 PM, absolve2525 said:
No, haven't changed a thing on my Chorus II's. Outside of one bad passive radiator they're like brand new. Absolve, what Sansui equipment do you have running with your Chorus II's?
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Well, I'm not near the technical advocates most of you are, but I do love my music and consider myself a low grade audiophile. With that said, specs are something I consider and I know they hold valid importance, but for me it really comes down to what my ears hear. I like warmth, it's been missing in the digital audio world for me for quite sometime. Sources today are all over the map in sound. Some sources are good, some are horrible. Original cd transfers from the 80's are bright and harsh and remasters sometimes are well done, others appear to be nothing more the level increase still retaining ear piercing brightness. It sure seemed to be on level plain back in the analog days. With that said, I have close to 1200 cds that range from excellent to poor for audio quality. I would like to upgrade my amplification in hopes of warming up my Chorus II's, but know that the higher end equipment will make quality sources sound amazing and make poor sources sound even worse.
I set out with a $5-8k budget to make upgrades in my audio system... new a/v receiver and speakers was my initial goal. My Chorus II's have been a love-hate thing for me since I bought them in '90. Sound great with warm quality sources and bright and ear fatiguing with poor sources. My Cd player, an Arcam Alpha 8 is also bright, but presents and wonderful sound stage with sparkling detail. I also need a new receiver with 4k and hdmi pass through on the video end. Which I know is a completely different arena than 2-channel. I'm not much of a movie buff, but do need a surround system to accompany my 65" hdtv for occasional movie nights and sporting events. Anyhow, on my a/v and speaker hunting trip I ran into a new MC275 open box deal and was lured in. This could really warm up my Chorus II's and could I integrate it into my system without the expense of a top notch preamp? Nope. That was a fools errand. So, I'm at a crossroads, Fork out more scratch and get a high end preamp or just return the MC275 and spend that money on a flagship mid-range a/v receiver, like a Marantz, and some quality new speakers, like B&M's or Revels, and have a very quality audio-video system that will do a reasonable job on the 2-channel end and will power a zone 2 for the covered patio/fire pit, or use those funds for a McIntosh 2-channel set up keeping my Chrous II's in the main room and avoiding them from being sent to the basement and keep my current aging surround sound system that has been solid, but is falling behind in this hd world. Ultimately, I know only I can make this decision.
Is it worth the expense of roughly $8k on a new MC275 and C47 to power my Chorus II's? It will surely make the Chorus II's shine, but will they bring out the best in the McIntosh? It seems an upgrade in speakers would more appropriately serve the McIntosh equipment... but, what do I know.My current system is:
Yamaha V2095 a/v
Klipsch Chorus II's and Klipsch Reference center and rears
Velodyne FSX 12" servo subArcam Alpha 8 CD
Denon 2900 DVD/DVD Audio/SACD
Kimber Kable & Synergistic Research
Possible new equipment:Marantz 6011 or 7010 a/v
B/W CM10-S2 and CM 2-S2 Center
(2) REL T9 10' subs
Or: the McIntosh preamp and tube amp.
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My first real stereo was a Pioneer SX-980, absoulety loved it! It was solid and was a rocker for me for well over a decade. I had it stored at my uncle's when I lived out of state in the 90's and for some unexplained reason he sold it at a garage sale. Claimed he didn't think I wanted it. I was floored and quite pissed. I was like, "why did you think I had you store it for me?". So, I bought another one a fews years back and had it completely gone through and use it to spin my vinyl with a pair of Pioneer CS-88's and a Technics SL-M1 turntable.
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Yes, the 6700 does sound like a possible solution and would actually be less money than pieces the the 275 with a quality preamp. Did have my heart set on tubes, but open to sticking with a ss amp if I can get the warmth that tubes bring in a McIntosh ss amp. I will definitely look into it. The 6700 also has a "home theater pass through", that has me intrigued.
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Thanks for the detailed repair info, moray. I'm still really hoping for an actual replacement. Oddly enough, I have not detected any audio issues with the speaker. Yes, they're in excellent condition, not a nick or scratch on the cabinets or grills and have not been overdriven. That's why I'm puzzled as to how this even happened to the passive. I will keep my eyes open on ebay and check out "Midwest Speaker or Simply Speaker". Thanks again for the info, everybody.
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Well, I can still return the MC and give up my dream amp or fork out another few k's for a preamp and sub and have an idpenendt 2-channel sysytem. Had my eye on the NAD M12 preamp.
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Yes, I have had found the best roll of spot is to be around 50-60hz with my Velodyne, any higher and it seems overloaded. I have contemplated getting a 15" ported sub to compliment the Chorus II's or perhaps the result will only be negligible.
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As for the hum, yes there is a Directv box and it does add a hum, as well as every other video source connected to the tv. The loudest hum is coming from the dvi connection to the computer. The lowest hum comes from the coaxial connection to the hd atenna. The only way to completely eliminate any and all hum is to have absoulety nothing connected to the tv other than the Marantz or not have the MC amp powered on. There must be some grounding issue with the MC and video sources, or perhaps with the Marantz video board. I have a replacement Marantz receiver replacement I'm picking up Weds. Due to a cosmetic defect. I recently bought the Marantz and McIntosh. I thought I cleverly put together a hybrid 2-channel/surround system, but maybe I'm trying to do too much. It would work with the MC amp out of the equation, but I love the tube warmth.
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A bit off topic... I'm currently using a Marantz 7009 a/v receiver as the preamp for the MC 275. I know it's not ideal, but was hoping to get away with it and not have to buy a seperate 2-channel preamp and additional sub for now. The Marantz does a excellent job with surround and I can set up the MC amp and Chorus II's as a 2-channel system within the Marantz, assigning the Choruses as a "B" set of mains strickley for 2-channel. Unfortunately when I hook up the hdmi montiter out on the Marantz to my led tv and have the MC powered up there is some type of grounding hum coming through the speakers. If the tv has no video connections the hum is gone. With each connection of other video sources to the tv the layer of hums grow louder. I thought there might be a grounding issue with my Vizo LED, but even tried a different tv with the same results. I also have everything running on the same circut and through a current conditoner. It appears I may have to buy an actual 2-channel preamp and an additional sub if I want to use the McIntosh in my audio/video system. The alternative is to have the Marantz amplify the Choruses and that just doesn't sound near as warm and full. Any suggestions anyone?
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Chorus II w/ Crites vs RF7 II
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I'm more into music and occasional movie watching. Since I'm original owner of my Chorus II's, I never gave the RF 7 II's much thought until I recently bought a pair of bookshelf 150's for a smaller ht system. I played with them a bit on my main system in 2 channel with a sub and was amazed at the detail coming from tweeters. So, that got me thinking about RF7's. My main sysytem for ht does have older Reference rears and center (REF IV RC62). At work right now, I forget the model of the rears.