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  1. 12 hours ago, Zen Traveler said:

    I would think it would be. Cross over at 80 Hz to your sub and see what you think. Honestly, that may be where you want to spend a little more money and forgo an amp you may not even need. I have run everything below with an AVR for almost 15 years on a nightly basis and hours at a time. :) 

    Thanks for the input, Zen. I guess the reason I am going to do an amp is not only for the extra power, but this receiver can go up to 11 channels if you add an amp, so I will eventually want to have 11 channels. Until I am ready to jump to 7.1.4, I will let the 4400 power what I have. 

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  2. 1 minute ago, Pinball_pw said:

    Both make good amps and have price points you can move up within their respective product lines. Honestly you should see a nice improvement with even their low end ones like the A300. Emotiva has a bumpy past with some people, but they seem better in recent years. Lots love their stuff. 

    Thanks man. The amount of money to just power these things is ridiculous when you look at what you are already spending on the av receiver alone. I have always just run things through the AVR, but the more I read the more I feel that I am underpowering my speakers as it is. With the 4400 having the capability to add 2 channels through an external amp, that would put me at 400 +900 for a total of 1300, which is still less than the 11.2 6400 or 6500, with true RMS of 150 watts to my mains. I feel like spending 1000 just to get a parasound A23+ would be a tough one to pitch my wife to spend...

  3. 1 minute ago, Pinball_pw said:

    Unfortunately you will have to use the front left and right terminals. Emotive makes fine budget amps. You can buy more if you look for used,  but your plan is a good one.  I definitely understand buying new after your most recent experience with the Denon. 

    That was what I worried about if it would even work with the issue I am having. It would give me better power to roll with the Emotiva A 300 as it gives my 150 watts compared to the 95 coming from the 2200. I am new to the amp game, so would you be able to advise on whether emotiva has any large drawbacks compared to parasound when it comes to quality over paying the extra? 

  4. 9 minutes ago, Pinball_pw said:

    No worries Zen Traveler. We are both trying to help :)


    11 minutes ago, Zen Traveler said:

    My bad....I missed this: 



    So, if i go this route, sending rca from my new preamp to my old 2200, can I use any terminals I want? or do they have to run through specific terminals depending on the speaker similar to how it comes from the actual av. For instance, if I want to add surrounds and use my old 2200 as the amp for the extra channels, can I use whatever speaker terminals? I ask because my front right speaker terminal only works half of the time, and if i have to use front left and right, then I will be in the same position I am already in. I am looking at just grabbing an Emotiva A 300 to add on and let those power my mains and let the 4400 handle the other 9 channels


    Let me know what yall think!

  5. 4 hours ago, Pinball_pw said:

    Here is a thought.  Keep your old Denon and repurpose it as an external amp.  You could use it to power your surround speakers to keep that lad off your main AVR. 

    How can I know if my current AVR can even do that? Would I have to use specific terminals on there depending on which speaker they will be assigned to?

  6. 5 hours ago, wuzzzer said:


    It's original retail is over $2,000.  It is nearly the flagship Marantz receiver.  Marantz is the higher end line in the company that owns them and Denon.

    I guess I am more comfortable with sticking with my purchase since it will come with a 3 year warranty as opposed to a refurbed one year. Specs look pretty even in most aspects. Thanks for weighing in!

  7. 27 minutes ago, oldtimer said:

    It is not as much about the power spec as it is about how well it handles impedance dips.  One way to know this is through the power specs at different impedances.  A quality amp will double power as impedance halves, in other words 125 at 8 ohms and 250 at 4.

     How will i know if it will will drop from 8 ohms to 4? This is the kind of stuff I have never really understood

  8. Hey guys, over christmas I upgraded my mains to RF 82 iis. My current setup is this:



    Fronts- RF 82 iis

    Center- RC 62 ii

    Surrounds- RB 51 ii

    Front Heights RB 61 ii

    BIC Accoustec Sub 


    All of this is run off of a Denon 2200h. This receiver has been problematic since I bought it used. The left terminal has an issue, and have already paid to fix it once for around 200 bucks. Long story short, I made the decision yesterday to just go ahead and scrap this unit, and upgrade to something that has more channels and more power. I went with the Denon 4400h, which has 125 watts rms. My question to you guys is, is this going to be a noticeable upgrade from the 2200? For 899, I felt like this would be enough over the 95 watts I was getting from my 2200, but the RF 82  ii call for 150. Just wanted to know what you guys think about whether the 4400 should be enough power for what I now have. 


  9. Hey guys. I currently have the previous best buy reference line in my bedroom for a 5.1 system. My receiver is Atmos, so there is room for an upgrade. I see that best buy has the new reference line for a relatively good price for the next few days on the atmos modules. They are normally 400, but right now for 250. I am thinking about buying them for my bedrooms setup, but wasnt sure if anyone here had any experience with them. The reviews on Best Buy are really good, but just didnt know if anyone here has any input that would help me out.


    Thanks in advance!


    klipsch r 41 sa is the model



  10. 1 minute ago, dcbrown88 said:


    Doing the in ceiling speakers would be a much better option either way.  The add-on modules are good for those who can't install in ceilings but I'd say you're going the best route.

    Thanks for the help. I have heard from people 5.2.2 is more immersive than 7.1, so I figured why not try it out.

  11. Just now, dcbrown88 said:


    That makes sense, it should sound good!

    I hope so. I saw that klipsch came out with some cheaper atmos speakers that sit on top of fronts or rears. It will be a little while before the upgradeitis will be fed again. I have time to research. It would be easier to just do the ceiling speakers as running the wires would be a sinch

  12. 1 minute ago, dcbrown88 said:

    Are you going to get different rears to replace the 42s?

    I have some RB 51 iis that I am using for my surround/sides. I can use those as rears. Atmos doesn't recommend dipole speakers, and the rs 41 iis don't really mesh well anyway for my room as it is the ole tv in the corner set up you see so often in new houses. 

  13. I had a similar issue lately. I ended up getting a new receiver that was 4k pass through with atmos/dts:x. Honestly tho, if you aren't worried about the sound upgrades and running your cables to the tv aren't that hard to move up to 4k, that would be the cheapest route. That was my plan until I found a killer deal on a denon I got over the weekend. Just make sure the tv has an optical out. Some new tv's don't have them 


    2 hours ago, dcbrown88 said:

    I have the Ref IIs and I went with the CDT-5650-C II for the Atmos pair but they also have the 5800 as well.  Really most speakers would be fine as there's not a ton of audio coming from them but I prefer to match somewhat.

    Ya I have looked at both. Looks like some deals can be made on eBay for them. That will probably be the next move and remove the rs 42 iis I have for my rears and move them to the sides of my bedroom setup

  15. 1 hour ago, dtr20 said:

    Essentially any ceiling speakers would work for atmos, it's just a matter of proper placement. Ideally get a 2 way ceiling speaker with a moveable tweeter so you can position it towards your seating position

    Any certain ones you would recommend that would mesh well with my ref iis?

  16. Hey guys. I walked up on a killer deal on Facebook marketplace over the weekend, and got a denon avr-x2200w barely used for $200. I have been holding out for a new receiver with atmos, dtsx, and 4k pass through that was either 9.2 or 11.2, bit for this price I had to take it. It has everything I was looking for, 2 HDMI outs as I have a tv on the porch I was running a splitter to, with the one downside is it would only be 7.2.


    So, I was wondering if anyone here had any advice on what makes a speaker atmos ready. Could I just guys some in ceiling speakers and set it up on the receiver to play atmos and I'm good to go? Or do I have to have a certain type of in ceiling to do the trick.

  17. 17 minutes ago, CECAA850 said:

    2 similar subs are much easier to integrate than dissimilar ones. It can be done but it's a lot more work.

    So, getting another of the same that I have would probably be the best route then? or the easier route. I don't have a problem putting in the time and effort to integrate a different sub if there would be benefits to getting all the bass notes. Not all subs sound the same, and I don't have a problem trying to hit all the notes through this process, even if it is time consuming.

  18. Hey guys, I have a question I wanted to get y'alls opinion on. I have read on here that people would rather have 2 lesser subs than run one higher end sub (or at least that's how I read it). I currently have a newly put together (since Christmas) set up that features the Ref ii line for all of my speakers, with the only exception being the subwoofer. It is a BIC Accoustec (which was a huge upgrade from the yamaha sub I had gotten a decade ago from Best Buy) and was wondering what you guys thought the benefit would be if I were to get a second subwoofer. At the moment, I am running a receiver that has 1 sub out, which will in the long run be switched out for a receiver that is more of today's technology to have atmos, multiple subs, and things of that nature down the road.


    So here is my question, should I decide to get a second sub to run in this system, should I get a duplicate of the same sub, or should I think about going a different sub to try to hit all the base notes by getting a different sub to run with the current one. Should I go a different route, is there a good Klipsch sub that would be a good compliment to what I am doing? Nothing pressing about this question, but eventually I will want sub number 2 to add to the setup and wouldn't mind having that plan in place when the time comes

  19. 6 hours ago, Spirit_Rises said:

    we are in the same situation about buying AVR :)  


    as far as i know and took a look at those ceiling atmos speakers and the ones we put on the front speakers there is not anything telling that "these speakers are Atmos certified" or any other information indicating those speakers are for Atmos.they are different from normal speakers because they have Atmos chip or something else" there is absolutely nothing indicating special requirement for Atmos.So i think any speaker will be okay as long as we locate them in the correct way for Atmos.


    by the way i am looking for a Denon x4300H 


    I am sure there is something out there that separates an atmos speaker to running a speaker overhead off an atmos receiver, but I dont think it would be a huge gap. I have done no research to back that theory up tho

     Let us know what you end up doing and how it works out for you


  20. It should as far as I know. I am not exactly and expert, but I spoke the guys who originally wired my house for my surround sound and told them I wanted to do something like you are talking about. I have Ref iis all around and said i could use quintet satellites for atmos. He said there should be no issue whatsoever using those for Atmos. I think as long as you match well you should be fine. I am just waiting and saving up for a receiver that can handle it, but my finances are tight right now. I plan on doing exactly what you are asking about, you should be good

  21. The RC 64 ii would be way too much for the Best Buy line to keep up with IMO. I'm sure you could tone back the center so it doesn't overpower the Best Buy line, but then again.. you would be spending a lot of money to handcuff the most important speaker in your set up. I have the 62 ii and i love it. Im sure you cant go wrong getting the 64 ii.. I know I am glad I went with the Ref iis over Ref premiers when it was time to upgrade. I feel the savings alone was worth not going all the way to premeirs. Plus I read that a lot of people preferred ref iis over premiers anyway.

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