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On 1/4/2017 at 10:39 PM, derrickdj1 said:
If you are wanting an avr for the next 10 years, get a good one. As far as, Atmos, room layout determine if you need top front, top middle or top rear or some combination. For example, I am around 18 ft. from the Mains. Top front would not be a good location for Atmos. Because the speakers are on the ceiling some type of directional tweeter would work best. This way the sound can be directed toward the listening area. Regular ceiling speakers will have to be set at a much higher gain to reach the listening area since they are shooting toward the ground.
A better avr will also have a tendency to make lower tier speakers sound better. Just like real life, you can't get a Cadillac for the price of a Ford Fiesta.
This is a pic of what I use for Atmos. The tweeter can be aimed and there are also bass and treble controls for the speaker.
How well do these in ceilings go with my Klipsch set up? I want to make sure whatever I would get would match. These exact speakers are not outrageously priced.
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14 hours ago, willland said:
I can't say 100%. I do know that the Aventage line is built on a better platform, from top to bottom. How much better with a lower tier Aventage AVR, I can't say. Your point is valid. Your money, your decisions. I do understand that.
As you can see, I am still using my 10 year old 705 that has served me very well and it gets daily use in my bedroom system. I never listen to music on it, occasionally watch BD's, and watch TV most every night. The only thing that is not "up to date" on it is Atmos/DTS:X capabilities, 4K and networking functions.
I think you are spot on with that. I most likely will never "upgrade" to Atmos in my family room in my current home. Room layout would only accommodate front Atmos speakers and that would be kind of pointless IMO. Save some $$$ and get a "better" non Atmos AVR.
Bill
I think when it comes down to it, the MAIN thing I want to have the capability of is 4K pass through. If I had the choice to do what I wanted, in order would be:
Plan A:
1.Buy surround side speakers, such as I have discussed. A RS-(to be determined) ii (Budget will be probably be $700)
2.Buy a 4K tv (Budget will be probably be $1500)
(a)Not just any 4K TV, a quality one. I got my 60 Samsung 2 years ago, and it was one of the top of the line, non 4K tv's Samsung made. I am not gonna replace it with a lower end 4K TV, plain and simple.
3. Move to a different house with a better setup for HT. I am getting married and the lady is already talking babies, and I have full custody of my 4 year old daughter, so the move will happen within a few years I would assume. (You don't need to know my budget on this you sick fools!)
4.Buy some towers, probably the RF 82 ii's. I'm not buying RF 7's for my first towers, then I wouldn't know the difference down the road
(Budget will be probably be around $700 or so, just by seeing what holiday prices were for the 82 iis this year. Hopefully next year they will go down, as I would like to stay with the Ref ii's all around)
(a) This would mean that I would have to move my newly purchased RB 61 iis to the rear, which was the plan all along when I bought them, thus completing my HT for a 7.1 setup.
THEN I would want to start building the Atmos part of my HT. So as you can see, Atmos is in the latter phases of my plans for the future, and could be 3-5 years before I even really start thinking about spending money on upgrading to Atmos. So just by the budgets I have named here, that would come to around $3000, and that does not include Atmos speakers or the receiver.
So the issue I am having here is this: By this point in time, there may be a better version of Dolby/DTS that has surpassed Atmos, and will have wasted extra money trying to future proof a receiver that never even used the capability by that time of Atmos AND doesn't support whatever the new technology is. I think If I can get one for around $400 now, the only future proofing I will be needing to do at this time would be becoming 4K ready for when I want to buy a new TV
Plan B:
1.Buy a good receiver with Atmos
2.Buy a couple of in ceilings like Derrickdj1 posted.
3.Then start plan A
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9 hours ago, willland said:
First, you are not stupid.
Second, let me give an example.
My 2007 Onkyo TX-SR705 AVR is rated at 100w/ch@8ohms(20Hz to 20kHz) and weighs 28.4lbs. The equivalent model today is the TX-NR757 which is rated at 110w/ch@8ohms(20Hz to 20kHz) and weighs in at a paltry 22lbs. Where did most of the heft(6.4lbs) go from the old to the new? For one, plastic faceplate shaved a small amount of weight while most loss came in in the form of a weaker power supply and smaller heatsinks to cram all the newer features/channels into the box.
Bill
And that's all well and good, but would I truly notice a dip in performance going from the low end Aventage to the high end RX V? Like I said earlier, if you are trying to keep up with technology every 7-10 years, and both options will do the trick, why spend more on things that may only be affecting the longevity and sturdiness if only to be replaced anyway to keep up with what all is out there.
I want to have a great movie setup, not just listen to music. It may even be wise for me to go with a receiver for now that doesn't even support atmos and save the money, as it will be a LONG time before i have enough speakers for that setup. By the time I have built to that point, there will be new stuff out and can upgrade again then
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15 hours ago, zobsky said:
More weight means a more robust construction and / or beefier heatsinks . To put it plainly, don't put too much faith in power ratings as a sign of good sound etc . They can and often are deceptive . If you are set on a price point , consider the step down (aventage) receiver from the one i earlier mentioned. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/yamaha-aventage-665w-7-2-ch-network-ready-4k-ultra-hd-and-3d-pass-through-a-v-home-theater-receiver-black/5081600.p?skuId=5081600
If you want to see what the internet has to say about aventage vs. the regular V series yamaha, look for threads like the one below
Yea, if anything, that forum only made me question it more haha
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5 hours ago, willland said:
The Yamaha Aventage line of AVRs and pre/pros are a cut above their "lower" more consumer grade line. Better parts, power supply, DACs, processing, etc.
Bill
But at the point I am at as far as speakers, do I really need that? By the time I really get into higher end speakers there will be new technologies that the low model Aventage won't support anyway. I will eventually have to upgrade receivers wither way I go just to keep up with what is out in the future. If I had higher end speakers I could see shelling out more money though
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5 hours ago, zobsky said:
Beefier amplifier circuitry and possibly better built. Aventage is Yamaha's premium line.
For example, the receiver you posted weighs 17.9 pounds vs 23.2 pounds for what I suggested even though my choice is "less" powerful.
So what does it weighing more mean as far as performance. I really don't understand why I would go with a product that his worse specs in big areas. I really am stupid when it comes to this part
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19 minutes ago, zobsky said:
The yamaha A (aventage) series are the ones to get. Consider this one (has zone 2 too, as well as Atmos, and pre-amp outs too, IIRC) . I set one up last weekend and don't have any complaints (note - you might consider tweaking the YPAO settings from flat to natural for a warmer fuller sound, if that's what you're after).
Im not sure I understand the differences in the Avenatage line and the other ones I listed earlier. Im not good at looking at receivers and really understanding the differences in anything outside of cable inputs, speaker setup, wattage, and some of the more basic things. What sets this one apart from the one that I listed? It looks like it uses less power, does that mean anything really? Or does it make up for it because it's a more efficient power, this is where I get confused. I am by no means a sound engineer.
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45 minutes ago, YK Thom said:
Yes I do. I allowed for a bit of extra height to allow for it. As you will have seen there is an adjustment feature on the bottom of the speaker. It doesn't require much of an angle to have the centre horn lined up with your ears at your sitting position. When you set it up, do so with the cover off. You'll be able to tell pretty much by eyeballing it from your chair or chesterfield.
Yea, it was from my own experience that I asked the question. Mine is tilted down, sounds great pointed right at you, as it is supposed to.
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1 minute ago, YK Thom said:
A shot of my modified replica nearing completion:
do you have to tilt the center channel up to where you are sitting?
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3 minutes ago, YK Thom said:
I think you will be for for a long time. There is just something about the whole Reference II 6 series that just seems to work very well. Like others, I find the RB61 II great all the way around. The centre being as large and powerful as it is just shines. The only one out there that may best it would be the RC 64, but it is probably overkill for a lot of folks and still pretty pricey. In fact when I had my AV unit built (it was a slightly modified version of Standout Designs Horizon model), I had the centre channel shelf purposefully slightly enlarged to accommodate the speaker. This is a photo of the unit I had replicated.
That is really nice looking. I am making due with what I have for now in the house I am in. Probably be here for at least 2 or 3 years before me and the Mrs. upgrade. We aren't married just yet, but want to stay where I am for a few years before making any moves. Just wish it was a square room so I could do more with it. But it sounds good for now for sure
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5 minutes ago, YK Thom said:
Indeed, they are a very large centre, one of the few around with 61/2 inch drivers! They punch far far above their weight and price-point and are neutral enough to work well with many different front mains. You will be happy with this for many years to come.
I can't complain so far. I have only gotten to test them a few times a good volumes, but man, I am impressed
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Just now, willland said:
If it were me, I would not go with a slightly above entry level AVR for a main setup. The amps will be weak, the DACs/processing will be "entry level", and of course your mentioned "deal breaker".
Bill
Yea, I think you are right. I think the main issue i have with it was the deal breaker i alluded to. I have always had Yamaha's and am used to their set up. I would prefer to stay with them. This is the one I really want, I'm just waiting to get a deal on it. I have $200 in gift cards to best buy, so if i can get it like 200 more off then Im willing to pull the trigger:
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If I were you I would call Klipsch and talk to someone and have them walk you through whatever tests they can think of. It sounds to me that the easiest answer would be deffective parts, but my gut says thats crazy that you bought two and both were defective. If it was one I would feel better about saying that's what it was. It still may be, but the fact that it is two makes me believe there is another underlying issue. Not sure. Give them a call and tell them your issue, you bought their product, they need to be able to help
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My guess is since the center kind of brought it all together, that maybe, and this is just a guess, that maybe you have your settings on something other than stereo/all sounds through all channels? I know when i have mine on 7 ch stereo for music all sounds are coming from every speaker, but if i play music when i am in standard 7.1, most of the sound is coming from the center channel.
As far as your other issues, don't know why your stuff is falling apart early on. Maybe they were damaged before you got them. Shipping issues or something. Just because a box shows no cosmetic damage doesn't mean they couldn't have been dropped or something. I don't have a good answer for that one.
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16 minutes ago, Scrappydue said:
Yeah have just read it lots of places. I only rent redbox. Only live about 1.5 miles from three of them. Plus usually take the Harley to get them. Funner to run errands on it so don't mind returning.
Yea, i mean to each his own. I just prefer not having to make a special trip over it. I used to use redbox.. i was always late returning stuff. Vudu fit my personality of laziness
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So, I will be in the market in the future for a new surround sound receiver for my den. I currently have a Yamaha 7.1 receiver that does just fine, but is falling by the wayside as far as technology. My main goal was to upgrade to 7.2, 4K pass through, and wouldn't hurt to have a zone 2 and a second monitor out HDMI port. I have never personally paid much attention to what else there was besides what ports were on it, and how many speakers it could run. Today I am a different person, having taken my daughter to the movies over the weekend, and it having Dolby Atmos. I obviously have read up a little on it in the process of buying new speakers over the past few weeks, but my speakers are kinda over head as it is so I don't even know if it would make a big difference in this house I am in due to the positioning I already have. If anyone here has not seen a movie in an atmos theater, do yourself a treat and check it out.
Now my question to you guys is, can you just do a few in ceilings and run them as atmos? I saw a video where a guy was doing that, but I feel like it is on the speaker itself to be able to recreate whatever the technology is, and not just any in ceiling could accomplish what the actual atmos speakers are doing.
***Update
Best Buy's deal of the day is an Onkyo receiver that would fit all of these criteria, and for a decent price
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The only negative is that it's Atmos feature is limited to front left and rights? I don't know enough about Atmos to know if that's a deal breaker or not. I certainly want whatever I get to be for the next 10 years kind of purchase. That to me sounds like a deal breaker. Can anyone weigh in?
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On 10/14/2016 at 0:09 PM, Scrappydue said:
Well of course. But I'm saying with all the articles out there, to not judge the sq or video quality on the rentals.
What provider are you talking about with rentals? I use Vudu, and it all is supposedly blu ray quality with 7.1 surround. You have three options when you rent, SD,HD, and HDX. HD being 720 and HDX being 1080p with 7.1. I wonder how it could be different renting and streaming it from vudu as opposed to buying it and streaming it from vudu...
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I believe this is the article you were referring to. Ya it looks like those are disc based rentals, not streaming. Sorry I jumped the gun, streaming is the only way I will rent a movie nowadays. It's about a dollar more than redbox, but I don't have to return it after.
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Dang, wish I lived closer. Just can't feel comfortable making a purchase on Craigslist without seeing them first from far away
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1 minute ago, RX8 said:
When I first logged into Fry's both RF82 and RC62 were available. I believe they have since sold out of the RC62 which is why it no longer shows.
That said, the incorrect price showed for the RF82, showed only one could be purchased and it also said shipping wasn't an option. As we know the promo stated max 2 and free shipping as well. I didn't want it myself but if I did I would have called Fry's and ordered over the phone to ensure I got the deal. Was anyone out there successful in getting these including shipping?
I had the same exact issue
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Watched Captain America Civil War the other night. Perfect movie to test out the new setup
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14 hours ago, Youthman said:
Signed up, received email, but they are not listed.
They may have sold out. They were on there when I looked, but the RC 62 ii was on back order, they may have just taken it off completely
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14 hours ago, MetropolisLakeOutfitters said:
The throwback sale on the ones you got isn't a waste, it's a great deal on great speakers. Wondering if you should have stuck with the cheaper line shouldn't be on the radar, the titanium tweeter alone is well worth it, just way more comfortable and less harsh.
The only problem I see people running in to is that they don't plan ahead. They'll get the towers thinking they'll add the center later on, except they later realize whoops, the centers are sold out at the place they originally shopped at. These things were just a limited run and once they're gone, they're gone. Been seeing people trying to upgrade with time only to end up with a mismatched front stage. That's really the only down side to this, there's no matching dispersed surrounds available and neither the towers nor center nor bookshelves will be around for long. If you're going to upgrade one piece at a time, you'd be better off sticking with ref premier in my opinion.
Ya, it sucks they arent making Ref iis anymore. The love I saw people have for the RC 62 ii, and saying it was better than even some of the better ones from RP was enough for me to go with they dying line. My real issue though is once i get towers down the road and surrounds, is that I am defininitely going to want Dolby Atmos, and they never made atmos speakers for RFii.. I wonder how well they mesh with this set, or it it is just better to get in ceilings to match the RF ii line.
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3 hours ago, Youthman said:
Link says no promo found. When I clicked on the link yesterday, it was $350.00. Never saw anywhere that gave a promo code or price of $150
you have to sign up for the email list and it will be in the email they send you
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Ya, just sign up to get the promo code for their email list. But for some reason the prices arent being adjusted like they are supposed to be
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I just had a thought... I have 2 more quintet satellites.. what if I mounted those to the ceiling and ran them in an Atmos setup and angled them to the primary viewing area? They would match my current surround sides/rears as it stands, and later on when I replace another pair such as the sides, then I could end up with 7.1.4. My gut says 7.1.2 is plenty either way though.