KlipschManiac

I just finished hooking up the 2 Infinity IL120 subs this last weekend, and I must say am pretty happy with them. They are pretty tight and musical, and make up for the lost frequencies below 100Hz that my RF7 aren't producing much of right now. Poor amplification. I'm just using a Integra receiver at the moment. So, I set the infinity crossover at 120, and I kept my 2 Audiosource 15's at the moment for the low slam that the Infinity's lack somewhat. The crossover is set at 50Hz. Note that the Audiosources sound terrible at higher than 60Hz, just too loose and sloppy. Also, I put 1 of each sub into each front corner of my 20x16. The sound is pretty nice. I'm suprised these 4 inexpensive subs worked so well. Originally, I planned on selling the Audiosources, but can only get $100 locally for them each. I still probably will replace them, but with what? The RF7s are hard to keep up with because of efficiency, and the 2 Infinitys don't quite give enough db's at higher volumes on music by themselves, but work very well with HT! I haven't purchased the RABOS kit, just calibrated by ear. Probably this helps alot? Anyway, the Infinitys are a nice moderate sized sub with good power and punch. Can't beat it for $350! Probably worth $500, but no more. So, the Infinity's will stay. Overall with 4 subs, my room sounds very, very good. I especially like the Eagles DVD now! Only problem is I have 4 subs, about 2 more than I really wanted, hehe. But my next upgrade should be? A power amp or maybe a Rsw15? Any comments on my setup are welcome. Thanks, Scott

I just purchased 2 Infinity IL120's from Ubid for $348 each, and was wondering if anyone had heard them/compared them? They are going to be matched with RF7's, RC7, and RS7's. Also, they are going to replace 2 Audiosource 15 subs I have now, probably will go on Ebay. I thought at this price I can't go wrong. At least I hope so. Look forward to hearing your comments while I wait for them. BTW- Anyone want to buy a Audiosource 15? About 4 years old, great shape, works good. Thanks. Scott

Cdsang: I have the RF-7's and have heard the Rf3's. Those RF-3's are amazing speakers, and if I was in your position, I would be inclined to keep them, at least for now, and invest in a sub that works well for music and HT. (Sorry, I have listened to few subs, and have little to offer in opinions here.) The reason being is your small room size. I think the RF-7's need alot of room to reach their full potential, unless you want to go deaf. I have a 20x16 room, and they easily fill this with sound, they can go VERY loud, much louder than the RF3's and with no strain/distortion. They are much more "detailed" in the high end, and do have punchier bass than the 3's that you'll notice, but you still need a sub with the RF-7 to reach under 40HZ, so a sub will not go wasted. I wouldn't buy RF-7 if you are only concerned with bass response, especially if using a reciever like I am. (Integra 6.2) Most receivers have poor bass management, and don't do justice to the 7s. I am currently contemplating getting power amps with a preamp to help boost/cut the sound like I want. So, for now, get a sub and demo the RF-7 first. IMHO. Hope this helps. Scott

Thanks guys for the ideas. I put the Rf7s in the corners of the room at a 45 deg. angle, about 2 feet out, and 18 feet from each other. This helped with the bass repsonse alot, but maybe too much toe in. I 'll have to keep experimenting. Anyways, it's not that I don't like the "brightness", it's that it's hard to match the volume of the midbass and bass to that of the horns with my Integra 6.2, so I'm trying to dampen the volume of the horns. Tone controls help some, but not alot. I have the bass cranked full boost, and cut the treble back 1/4 turn from flat. More than that and everything starts to sound muffled. I love to listen to DVD-A as much as HT, so I assume I need to go to a power amp someday. Again, thank you. I would love to hear wether I should ditch the car audio wire though. Scott

Hi guys: I just had an idea, does speaker wire make a difference on the RF-7s? I'm currently using Schoshe (sp?) 16g. car speaker wire I had left over from a car system. It seems to be shielded well, and hear no noise, but would a name brand home audio wire sound better? Is there a brand of wire that sounds "warm", something that cuts the brightness of the Rf-7's. Maybe I'm adding brightness to my speakers with the car audio wire? Anyone have a recommendation for certain brands of wire? Monster? Thank you for your time. Love to hear if I'm doing my wiring all wrong, I seem to to off-the-wall stuff like this like a newbie. Scott

Hey, fellow Klipsch fans, I have the R7 complete HT setup, and would like to get into dedicated amplification/preamps. I am a total newb in this area, and "TheEar" has recommended the ATI 2505 and ATI 1505. I want to buy something that works with the Ref. 7's, similar to how Denon receivers sound. I currently have the Integra 6.2 rec. (100x5), and like the overall sound, but it has poor bass management. I was thinking about getting a amp with 100x5. This would seem to be more than enough power for the ultra efficient Refs., and I can't stand ear bleeding volumes, well for very long... The ATI are 250x5 and 150x5 and quite expensive. I was thinking this is overkill, and was looking at maybe purchasing something in the Carver line or NAD, such as the Carver A705x or NAD 925THX. Much cheaper and THX certified. I hear that Adcom is a bad mix with Klipsch, so I'll stay away here. Well, am I thinking clearly, or am I still suffering from a Friday night hangover? Or should I just forget it and get the ATI 1505? I have also read that ATI's are "bright". Sorry "TheEAR", not trying to diss your advice, just curious and being cheap too. Look forward to hearing from you all. Thanks everyone that has replied to my previous inquiries. Scott

Here's a bad review of the KLF30's on Audioreview.com. He states that 23 of 25 people in a blind test chose BOSE 701's to the KLF30's. I never have heard either of them, but I have the R7 series and I just can't believe the KLF30's are much different than my RF7's. Something is fishy in Denmark. Does anybody else think this test is a little biased for BOSE? The material below is quoted from Audioreview.com: Reviewed by: Ted Staigl, Audio Enthusiast, from Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Price Paid: $1575 at Local A/V dealer Product Model Year: 2000 Summary: I bought three sets of speakers: Bose 701 ($849.00, Best Buy), Klipsch KLF 30 Towers ($1575.00 local), and the Boston VR 975 ($1550.00 local). For the rear, I bought a pair of Bose Double Cube Speakers (red line, new, off e-bay, $215.00) and the Klipsch KSP-S6 surrounds ($500.00 local dealer). I decided to try each with my system: Pioneer Elite VSX-26TX, Pioneer DV626D (DVD-CD), Boston VR-12 center channel, and the Pioneer SW-200 subwoofer. I tried each with every possible pairing of the speakers both with and without the separate subwoofer. Without question, the best sounds for DVDs and CD's were from the Bose 701 speakers and the Bose Double Cube speakers in the rear. Since I had all of these products I ask some of my friends to listen. Many of my friends are audiophiles. They, like many people who write on this forum, hate Bose. I wanted their option, but I didnt want it biased by product lines. So, we did blind tests (i.e., each could not see what speakers were playing and rated the combinations for me). I had five of my friends do this and we had so much fun that each brought five additional people to do the sound test. The movies used were U-571 and Matrix. CDs were Creed, Cher, and Classical Hits, 2000, Varity Bach. The receiver was set on large speakers for front, large for center, and small for rear-Bose, small and large for Klipsch, and cutoff at 80 Hz for the subwoofer. The winning combination, using my receiver, DVD/CD player, subwoofer, and center speaker, was the Bose 701 with the Bose cube speakers. 23 out of 25 people picked the Bose combination. 25 out of 25 picked the Bose double cubes for the rear. Isnt that something? When people couldnt see what speakers were playing, mostly all picked Bose. People swore they were picking either the Bostons or the Klipschs, depending on what they thought was the best product, and in most cases, the Bose 701 with the Bose Double Cubes were picked. The other surprising result was that the Pioneer SW-200 was picked easy over the Bostons with the built in subwoofers given every possible combination. The pioneer was picked as cleaner and deeper bass. This was a fun weekend for all of us. However, in the end, I took the Bostons and Klipschs back. I got in writing that each were returnable before I did this (the Bose Double Cubes were going in the den if I didnt like them as the rear speakers). It appears that a better manner to determine what speakers you actually like and do not like is to make sure you cant see what speakers are being used. Your ears and not your eyes judge. I do love the sound I get from the 701s. The Double Cubes in the rear are awesome. With the subwoofer, the bass is super clear (but it is good without too), the highs are clean and not annoying (the Klipsch were harsh), and the middle was pleasant. You cant go wrong with these speakers and they dont cost an arm and a leg to own them (they sell for around $535.00 average on E-Bay or $850.00 new). The sound is so good youll turn them on just to listen to them. This was a fun experiment and my buddies, and their friends, still cant believe they picked Bose. I had fun and am very happy with my system. Get the Bose 701s, they hold up to speakers costing twice as much. Strengths: Overall, the sound is good at lower levels. Weaknesses: Harsh sound when using higher sound levels, like for movies. Similar Products Used: Bose 701, Klipsch KSP-S6, Boston VR 975.

Thank you "TheEAR" and "Audioreality". RC7 and RS7's are set to small. I also like the Rf7's on large, and I cross the subwoofers at 50Hz. I don't like the sound of my 15"s going up to 80Hz at all, their transient response is just so slow, and the RF7's do a good job of picking up the upper bass. Scott

I am wondering what other owners of the RC7 and RS7 do to the receivers large/small speaker settings? Usually, this is a no brainer, and should be set to small for most other speakers, buy, these babies have dual 8's and single 8's in them. I have them set to small myself, and I like it that way, but am I missing so frequencies this way? Is there bass below 80hz in the center and surrounds? BTW- This question has no relevence to Bose owners, (previously me)they'll never know the difference. Bass below 80Hz, not possible. Thanks, Scott

Dear BBB: Excuse my ignorance, but what's a group rate at DR? Anyways, I'm looking for some fun, yeah baby. Scott

Textf> I' am a little suprised the Rf7's aren't a little punchier in the bass dept. For dual 10's I expected some more thump then i'm getting. I know my Integra 6.2 has very little bass boost, and maybe this amplifier isn't that good for the Rf7's. I am wondering if an EQ will help. I tend to think the problem, albeit a minor one, is not with the RF7's. But, I would like to increase their bass output down to 50 hz. Any suggestions please? You know it's time to upgrade when your Promedia computer speakers sound better than your HT! Thanks, Scott

<[bR> Wow, I can't believe I just bought the RF7's, RC-7, and RS-7's. They are just so amazing, I had to have the whole set. I upgraded my Bose Accousitmass series which I had for 12 years, and went to check out what's new in speaker technology these days, since I was so impressed with my ProMedias. So I went to the local Klipsch dealer, and listened to the complete R7 demo. I decided that Klipsch was a LITTLE better then the Bose for home theater realism, music, accuracy, soundstage, vocals, bass, just about everthing else too. Klipsch is a little more expensive, but I think I can live with that in the long run. Ya right! All kidding aside, I love the Klipsch and plan on keeping them for a long time. And the cherry finish is quite beautiful. This all went into a 16X20' room, but these speakers would work in a much larger room as well. My room sounds better than the movie theaters, no kidding. I am so impressed. Now, I am thinking that I may need to upgrade my subwoofers. I have 2 Audiosource 15's that I bought from Costco about 5 years ago. There's probably better subwoofers out ther too. Yah alot better. Well, I have been reading this message board for the past 6 months, and have enjoyed all the opinions and advice, as well as basing my buying decision alot on the advice here. One more thing, the R7's are worth the money even when compared to the value of the R3's, as I don't plan on upgrading soon. Is it possible to upgrade Rf7's??? Very hard to do I would imagine. Lastly, I really thought that Bose was the best HT setup ever made for many years... Scott

Very good question. I too have the same exact speakers, and am looking for a matching sub. My room is 16x20. I've been reading here for a month now and enjoy everyone's opinions, and this is my first post. I currently have a AudioSource 15, but would like something less boomy, with more accurate thump. I was wondering which RSW sub I should consieder also. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.