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So...might this be the reason why voicing from my center channel (Klipsch RC-64II) sounds "muddy" at times, a bit thumpy, hard to understand? It has been equalized with the bottom now 200 hz. I have a thread elsewhere on this forum about this issue. And it makes no difference where you sit. There really is not a "bad" seat in our theater.
Maybe I should place my RB-81II, or RP-160M in the center just to see what happens? My speakers are all Klipsch, except the front L&R which are VMPS RM2 Towers.
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31 minutes ago, Boilermaker86 said:
Did you call them? They usually can’t advertise a discount but can tell you over the phone if they can sell them below retail. I had a gift card and got my receiver from world wide stereo and they gave me a good price off of retail for it. But I had to get the price over the phone.
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My problem is we have about a $600 credit coming from Crutchfield. And we are hoping for a good Black Friday sale on some 7's...or maybe those never go on sale?
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2 hours ago, Boilermaker86 said:
Don’t think retail, only Batman knows the true price !
Who is Batman, and where is the Batcave? Do I need a Batphone? -
6 hours ago, Kevin Klipsch said:
I did compare the 820 against the forte lll.820 lost big in depth and bass extension.dont think 7lll are that great for the price.
The 7 III's retails for $3600/pair. The Forte III retails at $4000/pair.
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2 hours ago, polizzio said:
So what do you find your current 820s lacking in presentation or sound?
Sounds like a very nice theater and equipment. I see no mention of a subwoofer above. You do not use a sub for movies? For LF impact?
Given your room size and personal tastes, perhaps the RF-7s would be a better upgrade path for you from the 820s.
Forgot to mention the dual subs, from Madisound, 12" drivers. Bought the pair as kits.
I am actually happy with the 820's. But would assign them to duty in another room if the 8000's or the RF-7's were purchased.
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6 hours ago, polizzio said:
There are several key factors in your decision making. How large is your room? How loud do you listen to your music?
I say go with the 8000s unless you listen to your music very loud or have a huge room. I had RP-280s for 2 weeks (pretty much the same as the 8000, the 8000 is the newer model) and the 280s were really impressive. I found a great deal on rosewood Cornwall 3s and purchased them and returned the 280s. I never read a single poor review of the RP-280s anywhere.
When you get to a certain level of high fidelity, there are diminishing returns on sonic improvement for the cash outlay. I could have been quite happy with the 280s, but the rosewood veneer CWs are something really special, both visually and to the ears. You listen to some of the old hands here and they will tell you short of Jubilees or the Klipsch commercial speakers, you are settling short. I don't feel that way at all. Not everybody has a huge room, or listens to their music beyond 85-90 db sound level, or has unlimited resources.
Not every member here needs Jubes or commercial product to be content with their home music reproduction. I know I don't. Just my opinion.
The room is a dedicated theater, about 24' X 27'. The speakers are now all Klipsch, with RB-81 II's, RB-61 II'S and RP-160M's for the surrounds. The center is the RC-64II. The 820's are the L&R speakers for now. I do listen to the music a little louder than most, as the walls, floor and ceiling are well insulated to keep the sound from migrating to the rest of the house. Big band jazz, Rock, and Classical.
I'm a recent Klipsch convert, having the main speakers in my theater and two channel listening room occupied by VMPS, by Brian Cheney. Tower II SE's. But I actually like the impact the Klipsch speakers have! More so than VMPS. The 820's are very, very good. Better than I ever thought they would be compared to my Towers which were 3 times the price.
The electronics for 2 channel are a Dynaco PAS 3 Series II Tube Pre-amp, and a Sound Valves Mosfet: 32 Power Amp (200 Watts/channel). For theater use the Yamaha CX-A5200 along with all separate amps from B&K / Emotiva.
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Need some good advice...looking to upgrade my theater from the R-820F's that are in the L&R spots.
I know the 8000's are very good speakers. Are the RF-7III's enough better to justify spending an extra $2400?
Has anyone here done a side-by-side comparison of these?
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Klipsch R-820F (Part II)
After living with these for a few months, I decided to do have a "showdown" between all of my tower speakers.
The others in the lineup were:
VMPS Mini Tower IIA
BIC Venturi DV-84
The VMPS Tower II SE did not participate, due to size and weight!
The BIC's are surprising good, especially for the price we paid (on sale).
The Mini Towers were good also, but lack overall "punch", a bit veiled in sound.
The R-820F's blew everything out of the water! Crystal clear highs, extremely detailed, with a low end that rivals my VMPS speakers. Extremely clean, almost analytical in nature. Not fatiguing to listen to at all!
I am driving these with an all tube pre-amp, and a 300 watt/channel Mosfet solid state power amp. You don't really need that much power as these are hyper efficient.
Strings, piano, guitar, trumpets and trombones really shine on these. Classical, jazz, or rock music all comes to life. I'm a former musician, so music is first in consideration, with video/movie soundtracks taking second place.
But with that said, these things shook the house with the bomb explosions in Saving Private Ryan, and Dunkirk.
Yes, I know these are budget towers from Klipsch, the lower version of the RP-8000. But they sound better than all of my other speakers, even the ones that cost three times the price.
These are on sale again right now, for about $249/each, from Klipsch. You can't go wrong for that price!
This summary from Sound Stage Hi-fi:
I enjoyed my time with the Klipsch Reference R-820Fs, and think their sound quality is competitive with anything in their price range. And if you like to play your music loud, and/or pressurize a home-theater room with maximum SPLs, the R-820F might be your best bet in a pair of budget floorstanders. I like the unique styling of Klipsch’s Reference models -- their copper-colored woofers and horn-loaded tweeters set them apart from a crowded field of competitors. Kudos to Klipsch for remaining true to their heritage while providing excellent value in a reasonably priced floorstanding speaker.
TXFlyGuy
Re: Klipsch R-820F (Part II)
Did an A/B comparison last night with my VMPS Tower II SE's.
Brian Cheny (owner/designer) of VMPS actually built these, and they were purchased direct from him. His speakers have gotten rave reviews in virtually all of the audio HIFI publications, including Stereophile Magazine.
This is a very subjective listening test, with my middle-age ears...
Equipment used:
Dynaco Tube Pre-amp - PAS-3 Series II
Sound Valves Mosfet: 32 Power Amp (200 Watts/Channel)
Panasonic DMP-UB900 Blu-ray Player
Music played was Basia (female vocalist), and The Big Phat Band (19 piece jazz orchestra).
Both of these discs are full range, and very well recorded.
The 820's had an immediate sense of presence, and visceral impact. Bass lines that went deep, real deep. You could feel it! Again (as stated before) horns, trumpets, trombones, and saxophones sound lifelike. Voices (male & female) are full timbre, without getting edgy in nature. Note that female voices are very hard to reproduce and sound good. These speakers actually make you exited about listening to music that is properly engineered and recorded well.
The Tower II SE's are fine, and might even be considered more of a true "audiophile" speaker. The sound top to bottom, was extremely well balanced. Smooth. Liquid in nature. Nothing stood out about them. But...they fail to generate any real sense of impact.
Compared to the 820's, listening to the Tower II's was like looking at a Rembrandt painting through a screen door.
Maybe it's my middle-aged ears, after spending 32 years in the cockpit of jet aircraft (i.e., noisy environment). Not sure.
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On 11/10/2019 at 8:02 PM, RadBlue said:
I went from base Reference to RF-7iii's so ya big difference there. 4 months later I got a deal on a pair of La ScalaII and sold the RF-7's.
A few months after that I put my old Reference towers ( RF-800's) for sale . An elderly Asian man showed up to buy them and he brought an 8w/chn tube amp
of his own design and build. We hooked them up and I was amazed a how good the Reference line can sound, I had forgotten over the near 1yr since I last had them
hooked up.
I would suggest you just stay with them(was a sweet deal ya got) and just enjoy until you really start feeling the need to upgrade.
I agree, these really are good speakers overall. If an opportunity presents itself to get the 8000F’s on sale, I just might jump on it. Found several reviews that were stellar in their praise for these. -
20 hours ago, Styopa said:
yes - for sure.
Seriously, we have a pair of RP-160M’s that are awesome. These work great in a small room. They are even good in mid sized rooms. You could put together a whole 7.2.4 system around these. -
Very small room? Well, then very small speakers.
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15 minutes ago, BamBamKam said:
I had a pair of R-620F. Bought them brand new and they were a upgrade from what I had before(Bose system). I just bought the RP-6000F and the RP-600c and it was a major upgrade. The sound was night and day different. I wish I didn’t waste my money on the Reference series first. I think the biggest upgrade was going from the R-34C to the RP-600C. If you have the room and a little more money I would go with the Reference Premier.
That’s good to know. Might wait for a Black Friday sale. I can use the R-820F’s in another room.-
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I have a fairly new pair of 820F’s. Got them for a steal at $249/each. I think they sound absolutely fantastic!
How much improvement in sound would there be with the RP-8000 speakers?
Would the expense be justified? I’m shocked at just how good these 820F’s are with both music, and movie soundtracks. They shake the whole house!
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NAD, where they put the music first.
NAD M17 V2.
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Absolutely! Again, I was shocked at the bass extension, and the clarity of piano, and female vocals. These rival my much more expensive (and larger) VMPS Tower II SE’s. These were about 1/5th the cost, yet perform nearly as well overall.
I keep listening, and I keep getting blown away at the performance of the 820’s. At this price point, almost anyone can put together an audiophile system, and on a budget that will not break the bank.
And that should keep the wife happy too!
10 hours ago, Rey L said:Agreed. Have had mine since November and they're great speakers.
6 hours ago, RadBlue said:Nice to hear some well deserved praise for the base Reference line. They really do hit way above there price point. Its these speakers that set the hook in me and sent me on a journey up the Klipsch line. For the price you can get these on sale online , just about anyone can afford to step into the world of higher quality audio and these are a great introduction to Klipsch.
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Got a pair of these delivered last night, from Best Buy. On sale, at a bargain price with free delivery.
I have been breaking them in over the last 24 hours. I am shocked at how good these sound. Almost on par with my larger, and much more expensive VMPS Towers. The lower octaves come through with full authority, much better than a pair of 8” woofers have any right to!
The upper range such as bells, horns, trumpets, etc., are clear, and vibrant, never muddied.
These speakers are are very dynamic, and the 1812 Overture really makes these shine.
To call these speakers a bargain is the understatement of the century! These rival the other speakers in my collection, most of which are higher priced by several multiples.
Go get a pair...you’ll be glad you did. And your checking account will be glad too.
edit: After more listening, the overall balance of these speakers, from top to bottom, is extremely smooth. While they go deep, it does not detract from the upper end clarity that is there in spades.
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Yes, very simple. Get a sub with speaker level inputs, such as the highly regarded BIC PL-200. It has awesome reviews. $249 for a 12 inch powered sub!
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On 4/20/2018 at 6:51 PM, The History Kid said:On 4/20/2018 at 6:16 PM, MetropolisLakeOutfitters said:
Just not true anymore, a pro audio 21" can have some crazy punch and there's 11" subs that dig super low. This was only true in the 90's when subwoofer technology sucked.My overall assumption is that it really just depends on placement and design, rather than size.
My wife says placement and size are both important.
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After enabling the dynamic compression setting on the Blu-ray player, it helped with the male voice boominess. The speaker(RC 64 II) is awesome, very dynamic with huge impact.
We will do some serious EQ in hopes of getting everything where we want it to be.
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Thanks for the video! Cool, and they can sing too. Most musicians can sing simply because they have good ears for correctly being in tune.
I selected the Dynamic Compression feature in my Blu-Ray player, an older Panasonic. It seems to help. The bottom octave, maybe below 100 hz, could still be tweaked a bit. But sounding much better than before. My NAD is firing all speakers in the 9.2 setup...just does not respond to remote control inputs anymore. Thus the Integra will be here Thursday. I'm tempted to install my 10 band EQ (Dynaco SE-10, kit built) on the center and play with it. I'd bet it could be cleaned up with just a little effort.
During the white/pink noise level testing, the difference between the RC-64 II and the VMPS's was noticeable, but not in a bad way. The Klipsch was just a bit more forward in presence.
Both the side and rear surrounds are RB 81 /61. Awesome sound!!! I like the 81's so well that it is a waste not having them as the L & R speakers.
I saw Maynard several times, when he was in his prime. Saw Doc, Bill Chase, and recently saw Wayne Bergeron. Wayne is the #1 go to trumpet player in the country. ABC payed him $10,000 to do a special for them. One nights work!
Watch and listen to Wayne Bergeron "Oh Holy Night". It will make your eyes water. Wayne toured with Maynard.
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Klipsch with VMPS? Well, I will have to argue that...for now. In some movie scenes (loud / noisy / gunshots) they all play together nicely. The spoken dialog in the center does "project" more from the RC-64 II. I will wait until the new Integra arrives, then do all of the tweaking and see what we end up with.
The soundstage all across the front when playing a recorded concert is stunning! The speakers blend together nicely, even though they are night and day different. Being a trumpet player (Maynard is my hero), music comes first, everything else is second.
The RC-64 has good bass impact, so much that it was a surprise. But nothing can rival the VMPS RM 2's for sheer musicality, and top to bottom response.
My first exposure to Altec-Lansing was with their "Voice of the Theater" speakers, with that huge 18" sectoral horn, and the massive 15" woofer. Those made a believer out of me, and everyone else who listened. A trumpet was playing behind me, but it was the Altec!
Fast forward to today, and I was made a believer in Klipsch when my wife and I listened to the 1812 Overture on a pair of RB-81 II's. The bells near the end were ringing, and my wife and I closed our eyes, and were instantly transported to the inside of an 18th century cathedral, where the bells were ringing. It was that real!
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54 minutes ago, dimanata2007 said:
Do you have it set as "Full" in the setting? Set is as Small and set the cross point at 60. My RC-62 sounded "boxy" at Full" as well. Also, if you have any dialog EQ on, set it to a minimum and instead of using voice EQ, boost the center channel level.
Thanks for the info. It is set to "small" in the speaker settings. But my new processor (Integra) has not arrived yet, so will have to wait to do any more adjustments.
My current Pre Amp (NAD) no longer responds to the remote control.
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1 hour ago, wvu80 said:
The Integra has a great sound with Klipsch. Run Audyssey first and see what that does for your system sound. After that there should be a lot of audio settings you can tweak that might deal with that boxy sound from the center if Audyssey doesn't correct it right out out of the box.
That may help you to pinpoint where the sound is coming from in your system.
I have run the center all by itself, listening to FM. Crappy sounding male voices! Almost like the speaker was vibrating (it is not) creating lower octave overtones.
Hopefully, it can be dealt with with a bit of EQ and other tweaking.
Again, it appears that it is more of a source issue than a component or speaker issue.
RP-8000F vs. RF-7III
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My current theater setup is all Klipsch, except the front L&R which are VMPS RM2's. The RM2's are legendary, being very neutral, no coloring of voicing, and with low end bass impact. I just want to match all speakers with the Klipsch RF-7III's.
Note that my R-820F's have been moved into a secondary (much smaller) audio/video room, and the VMPS RM2's are back on stage in the L&R position.
Looking at all options.