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  1. 17 hours ago, polizzio said:

    @Danomite

     

    This is the bottom line. Your Marantz avr is rated @ 125 wpc clean with 2 channels driven, 8 ohm load. It will not do this while driving 5 or 7 channels, isn't gonna happen. And the OP clearly likes very high volume levels. He is clipping the Marantz amps resulting in elevated distortion levels and audible noise, @ high volume levels and source signal peaks.

     

    OP, you want to play your music loud in multi channel format, you need to step up to a powerful multi channel separate amp like an Anthem MCA 525. You can run this downstream of your Marantz processor/pre outs. Or even very loud in 2 channel stereo operation. You need adequate amplifier power reserves and damping.

     

    Or sell the Marantz and go separates. A multi channel processor/preamp and a powerful and robust multi channel power amp, or multiple amps. You want play your music really loud and clear (audibly free of distortion), be prepared to spend additional funds.

     

    Anthem 5 channel power amp: https://www.crutchfield.com/p_973MCA525/Anthem-MCA-525.html?tp=48757

     

    Here is an excellent article/reference on sound level output and power amplifier requirements (note every incremental doubling of amp output power = 3db sound pressure increase) :  https://www.audioholics.com/room-acoustics/the-decibel-db

     

     

     

    Yep you nailed it. Im gonna have to start saving my pennies for more clean power. Thanks for the suggestion and the insightful article.

  2. 15 hours ago, ricktate said:

    I think you are using the auto set up on theater mode for the  tone controls and then when you go to 2 channel music it sounds bad??right?? I found that with my Integra also so I used auto set up to get started then adjusted tone controls to sound right to music. The Integra is easy to adjust the tone and I find that other brands not so easy to adjust. My friend has a Yamaha avr and took forever to figure out how to do it. Then it was hard to do any tone controlling. Try adjusting tone in 2 channel to sound good my Integra keeps different settings for different modes such as Phono, aux, CD. 

    If your rocking out to all channel stereo you may just be running out of power trying to run all those speakers. 

     

  3. 15 hours ago, willland said:

    Are your fronts placed in the corners at near the 13ft distance?  If so, toe them in so they shoot to a point directly behind your ears/head.  As mentioned, pull them out from the front wall to maybe 18 inches.  Can you scoot your main listening position up some so it will be part of a equilateral triangle(13' x 13' x 13' or 12' x 12' x 12')?

     

    Bill

    It would be great if I could do this, unfortunately the entertainment stand, tv, towers, are along a 10t wall. The wall is only 10ft because there is a 3ft opening to access the stairway. Also I cant move my seating area up as its a large sectional in the back corner. However I have tried toeing the speakers in, not sure if it helped or not? Might be seated too far away from the speakers to notice a difference when toeing them in

     

     

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  4. 16 hours ago, johanness said:

    I don’t listen to metal, but everything from downtempo & house to rock and the classics. I’m right around 50-60 on the dial. Clear amazing sound. The Marantz is plenty of power for these efficient 8000’s. Dunno what your issue is except for the source and maybe layout. 

    Mine sounds good at 50-60 also. Just not quite loud enough. Might be that its a fairly large room. Layout is likely causing issues also. Or the AVR does not have the best components for music listening. I would most likely get better stereo sound out of a dedicated stereo integrated amp which is designed only for 2ch music. Not as many components as an AVR, therefore more quality components could be put into the makeup of an integrated stereo amp creating less background noise. Just my thoughts, maybe Im wrong

  5. On 1/10/2020 at 9:57 PM, Rivernuggets said:

    I listen to a good amount of heavy stuff and the recordings are commonly not the greatest. Turning it up can make it sound worse as it's already compressed and tweaked. Still.....I listen to many bands that enjoy distortion.

    The new Tool release is refreshingly not loud/compressed sounding. You can crank that one.

    If your setup is capable of sounding awesome with movies it can do the same with music. Don't have a suggestion as to how with your receiver....not familiar with Marantz receivers.

    Do you have any room treatments? Something to tame the first reflection coming off your mains.

    Im not sure I understand what you mean by “room treatment”? 

  6. 50 minutes ago, JohnA said:

    I can't imagine you need, or could even use more power.   An outboard power of 600 wpc will add a little more than 6 dB. 

     

    You probably have a calibration issue.  Does your subwoofer run in Stereo?  Have you run Audyssey in stereo?  How big is the room? 

     

    Yes the sub runs in stereo mode. I have run the Audyssey but not just in stereo mode, didn’t realize I could do that. I will try that. The room is 13ft wide x 18ft long. I sit about 16ft from the front speakers. Would an integrated amp with a built in DAC designated for 2ch stereo sound better than the AVR that Im using now? Or would that just be a waste of money?

  7. 12 minutes ago, Westcoastdrums said:

    Get an affordable standalone DAC, you'll be amazed at the difference.  I listen to TONS of metal/hard rock.  I listen quote loud occasionally and there is ALMOST nothing in my library that is unlistenable as your describe or "too distorted".  What are you using as your source for music?  Cds?   If so, rip them to the computer in FLAC or WAV with a program such as EAC (exact audio copy) on error free method and run it through a DAC.   Best thing I did many years ago and haven't looked back since.   Using Cds 10 years ago or so sounded pleasing, but the method I use currently elevated audio to another level.   The truth is spoken above about the recordings IN GENERAL, but like I said, most sound fantastic on my system IMHO.   When you say "distorted", what are you hearing?   Be careful nto to smoke your tweeters via clipping your AVR.   The number on the receiver is irrelevant, you MAY be running out of gas if you are attempting to overdrive the amp.   Plenty of Marantz units can run fire hot as well.   If you experience this, may want to look into some cooling as well.   I second the crossover points.   Take the load off of your mains to free up unclipped power via the lowwe bass which may be eating up your AVRs power.   Good luck, have fun. 

    Thanks for the info. I use tidal and just getting into vinyl. I will try some of your suggestions

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  8. 36 minutes ago, glens said:

    I'm a fan of heavy metal before it morphed into what's now termed heavy metal.  Original CDs of even older work pressed in the '90s typically have a quieter, more dynamic, cleaner sound than their "remastered" later releases, which are often far too "bright" sounding if nothing else bad could be said about them.  

     

    How many channels are you running while jamming out?

    You nailed it. The music is too bright at loud levels. I run 2ch stereo mode and sometimes multi channel stereo mode (7.1) which almost sounds better than 2ch.

  9. 21 minutes ago, YK Thom said:

    Or perhaps a different sub. Your mains are pretty efficient and IMO that Marantz should provide more than enough juice. I know metal guys like to shake the room. Crossover might be a place to start which wouldn't cost you a nickel. If that doesn't  do the trick, snagging a pair of used mono blocks to run through the system in stereo mode might be just the ticket.

    Yes I could try experimenting with the different crossover settings. Thanks for the suggestion

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  10. 34 minutes ago, glens said:

    I believe that with your music choices you're getting little dynamic range with hot signal levels (it's the way it's recorded) and you're just running out of steam with the amplifiers.  More available power would undoubtedly sound better, but only to a point.  Poor recordings themselves are difficult to overcome, sorry to say...

     

    How is the sound quality at slightly reduced volume?

    The sound is pretty darn good at lower volumes. Unfortunately once I go past 60 out of 100 it starts sounding distorted. The thing about heavy metal music is the louder the better (with a great setup of course). Im not ready to give up on my heavy metal just yet, so I guess Ill have to invest in some more power.

  11. 25 minutes ago, johanness said:

    I'm new to Klipsch - not new to the game.  I'm running a set of RP8000's and recently took delivery of an RP504C like yourself.  Power is coming from my Marantz SR7013. 

    I can guarantee something is amiss, because right now I'm running stereo only (pure direct) and the sound is epic.  I mean 'Maxell Blown Away Guy' levels.  It's fantastic.  Great musical quality to the receiver as well. 

     

    What's your source?  I'm playing mostly Tidal masters or FLAC off USB, so quality is better than not.  But anything I seem to throw at it is pretty impressive.  Lots of things to consider when it's not going right, but maybe a tech from here can chime in?  Best of luck.

    Im curious... at what volume level do you listen to music? Also what genre of music do you listen to?

  12. 17 minutes ago, johanness said:

    I'm new to Klipsch - not new to the game.  I'm running a set of RP8000's and recently took delivery of an RP504C like yourself.  Power is coming from my Marantz SR7013. 

    I can guarantee something is amiss, because right now I'm running stereo only (pure direct) and the sound is epic.  I mean 'Maxell Blown Away Guy' levels.  It's fantastic.  Great musical quality to the receiver as well. 

     

    What's your source?  I'm playing mostly Tidal masters or FLAC off USB, so quality is better than not.  But anything I seem to throw at it is pretty impressive.  Lots of things to consider when it's not going right, but maybe a tech from here can chime in?  Best of luck.

    I used to use apple music via AirPlay2, recently upgraded to tidal which I also use Airplay2. Also recently purchased a project debut carbon esprit which sounds great, but is lacking volume and sonic performance with the SR7012 phono preamp. I just ordered a Cambridge Solo phono preamp, so hopefully that will make a big difference.

  13. Hello there friends. Kinda new to the game, so Im looking for some input from some of you old pros out there. I wanted a home theatre that would be great for movies, tv, and loud music. The movies are top notch, but the stereo sound is just so so. Sounds great at normal listening volumes, but go to crank up my favorite song (which is pretty well my entire music library) and it just doesn’t sound great. Seems distorted to me at high volumes. Would this be because I am powering my towers from an avr and not a dedicated stereo amplifier? My system consists of:

    - Marantz SR7012

    - Klipsch RP8000f x2

    - Klipsch RP504C

    - Klipsch SLM5400 x4

    - Klipsch RP112SW

    I was expecting great things from this system, but overall Im a little bit disappointed. Am I missing something (dedicated amp for towers?). Or am I just crazy to think this system should sound better than it actually does? Thanks in advance folks.

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