Soundthought

I haven't really wasted my grilles yet. I broke 4 pegs off since I got my 7s but i'm on my third upgrade of RFs. Complete sets with dual surround back. The threes were my fisrt set. I had to really mess with them. The fives held up alot better. I left them alone most of the time. I can't seem to keep my hands off the sevens . I hope the replacement grilles are not too expensive. I know they're not giving them away. I've decided to try very hard to just leave 'em on and leave 'em alone. I'm sure i'll live, but more importantly so will my speakers. This message has been edited by Audioreality on 06-13-2002 at 03:22 AM

There is one DVD that i seem to be going back to for a reference disk: " Music For Monserrat " It's DTS and recorded in the infamous Royal Albert Hall. It has a really enveloping sound and a variety musical types to enjoy. From Sting to Jimmy Buffet, Elton John to Paul Mcartney it's got a little of something for everyone. Check it out. You won't be sorry.

Why did they make them a deep, glowing copper if not to be seen often? Advertising seems geared toward the look. People are wanting to check out the design and marvel at their color. They're curious about this new "Cerametallic" driver. New stuff is hard not to look at, especially new speaker designs. Unfortunately, grilles must come off to get a real good look. That leaves me one question. Why not better mounts? Perhaps, they could design an aftermarket retro-fit or restructure the exsisting production models. Just brainstorming here. This message has been edited by Audioreality on 06-13-2002 at 01:50 PM

I have an issue of concern. I've been enjoying my RF7s' and RC7 for about a year. I've had the RF 5s'and 3s. I haven't had but one small problem. I've broken many grille mounting posts. They seem to break upon removal. I would perfer the grilles off. I just can't leave them off for too long. 2 kids +2 dogs +1 cat= Unhappy speakers. I've repaired them with little success. They stay on briefly then break back off. Repairing or replacing them isn't always an option... or is it?? Did they make a lot of extra Reference series grilles? I know these speakers could be handed down to my grandchildren. I expect them to last 30 years or more. I'm just not sure if the grilles can. I understand their specific design is for minimizing sonic interference. I don't think they're poor quality. Just that the mounts should be stronger. I guess i'm still used to wrestling the faces off my Heritage QTs'. They stick good and I never broke a magnet. Ha Ha... This message has been edited by Audioreality on 06-13-2002 at 12:25 PM

Sy, These definately are "gotta move some stuff around" kind of speakers. Even with all the acoustical and technical information i've been studying, my 7's still baffle me sometimes. They're very simple in stucture, yet quite technical in design. Placement is critical with these speakers. Critical because it appears to me that every inch they are moved,be it left-right-front or back, bring about different room flaws. Those in turn give us different tones and delays. Quite noticable to some people,not so for others. RF series mains are touchy in that they will dictate final placement. They will find a home. You will constantly be impressed. No wife i've ever met thought speaker placement to be more important than furniture placement,but with a liitle love and a whole lot of luck, she will let you furnish the room around the speakers. That worked best for me in the end. Of course i'm single and have run a 7.2 full Reference 7 series in a 12'x 16'x 7' room which might be just a little to much for most. But not for me...Ha In my earlier reply i mentioned my cables. I'm sorry but I misprinted the brand. My front cables are "Straight Wire Sextet" I use Tributary SP2 12ga. for all four surrounds. One more thing, For accurate and coherent soundstaging , it's very important to use the same cable for all three front speakers. Especially, if you chose to Bi-wire. Everthing that goes in or comes out of your room will slightly change the way you perceive the sound. Good Luck My Friend! ------------------

Check this out! The energy needed to create a low soundwave is much greater than that of a high one and sound naturally wants to separate its lows from highs. So on its epic battle from amp to speaker, the low frequecies are dominating over the higher one. Causing various amounts of energy to be lost from higher frequency waves. this results in poorer detail and overall clarity. Which we know is not cool at all. Bi-wiring allow frequencies to naturally separate at the source and travel independently to speakers. Allowing for a cleaner, more acurate sound reproduction. The whole reason we buy Klipsch, right? Also, less demands on the crossovers to clip high and low sounds gives a much more acurate image and improves overall efficiency. True bi-wire employs two differently stranded wires. Theory suggests that low frequencies have a tendency to attract more to a thick strand wire while high frequencies are more attracted to a finely stranded wire of the same gauge. So true engineered bi-wire should include a finely stranded lead and thicker less stranded one. I got my 7's a year ago and after trying many types of cables I have settled on a set of "tributary sextet" bi-wire cables They given me the best performance yet. Not terribly expensive ($150 for two 8 ft. pre-terminated cables) they help me realize many inner elements of all the sounds from every source. Many people argue the effectiveness of bi-wiring and i'll bet those same people dont have RF7's Really, It boils down sensitivity and effeciency. A speaker will only sound as good as it's design and environment it's played in will allow. Some speakers just can't show tiny differences in sound quality as well as others. Plus, one more thing about this crazy bi-wire stuff and frankly any audio cable. Remember, every type of speaker cable has its own sonic characteristics. Some offer a richer tone, and some offer clarity over bass. There are many different kinds with many different sound qualities. My RF7's tell me every difference in one cable to the next. Their crossovers respond well to a more separated signal. Heighted articlation, tighter more controlled bass, superior imaging, and a greater inner depth in the mid frequencies. It's really something. everytime I change the slightest thing about my system, my 7's point it right out to me. Sometimes its cool, sometimes not. I really depends on to many factors to get into. A speaker like ours that is so sensitve just speaks the truth. That kinda leads to your problem with lack of bass. Bi-wiring will not offer up more bass rather it will clean up the muddying of high and mid bass frequencies which carry many accents in bass that give it a definate presence. Crashes will have more impact and kick drums suddenly become realized and details will scare you into checking behind you. With proper Bi-wire less high frequency is being fouled by low frequencies that normally cause distorion in standard cable. Distortion is mainly caused by signal degradation. That is caused for the most part by what happens to the transmission in standard cable when low and high frequencies travel together. Ergo: High and low sounds rely on each other but dont play well together. It's a love-hate thing. I really can't say enough about the ability of the RF7 series They're the you-know-what in my book. O.K. Here it is. I'll give you the truth. The RF7 speakers are designed for placement flexablity and wide dispersion, but, They like space. Lots of it. About 2-6ft from back and side walls. A minimum of 6 to 8 feet apart. The problem though is what our ears have learned to listen to is richer, full impact, ground rumbling,chesty sound. Thats all good... for recordings of yesterday. I was upset when i was first breaking my babies in. I tried everything to get that solid,deep, smackdown impact. I realized after exhausting research that the controlled directionality of the horns and the accuracy of the bass was giving me "true" sound which only existed 5 feet from the stack at a rock concert. Been there, done it and was about the same as the RF7's give. The horns direct more sound at you so it can sound "tinny" compared to traditional tweeter which loses some edge because of a 360' disperion and early reflections. Another words, they seem brite and lack bass, really the treble is cleaner and more directed causing it to appear louder,sharper than were used to. Horn loaded speakers are a critter all their own. To acheive your sound dont be afraid to break all placement rules. Try corner placement .Horns are suppose to benefit from near wall placement. Although sound quality is harmed, more spaciousness is acheived. Corner placement also increases bass response.Up to 6db! Again, there is a trade off in sound quality. A combination of placement, room furnishings, good Bi-wiring, and a good reciever, will deliver the best results. These speakers just really put everthing flawed with a room acoustically right out in the open. They tell you everthing other speakers were afriad to. Its a true sound. Almost to true. Absorb some of the treble with wall coverings and be sure to use the spikes. Stability of speakers is crucial. Woofers are dependant on that,plus less bass is drawn to the floor letting more correct paths for bass to occur. So do what i do. Set the treble and bass at neutral. Put on Frampton Live Detriot. Turn it right on up there. And go listen on the other side of the house. You might be surprized. Your room mode may not allow for even one good deep soundwave. Hope that helps. ------------------