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14 minutes ago, MicroMara said:
I was just kidding, I´m a male ...LOL
Noooooo. What happened to the long legs and blonde hair. No. Lol
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16 minutes ago, MicroMara said:
Sure ??? Boy ...haven´t you seen my blonde hair and my long legs ?
lol. No I have not. I apologize kind miss. 😗
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1 minute ago, MicroMara said:
I have completed a 3 year education at an academy for audiovisual media in Germany. I also worked in production studios for movie and music productions. It is a wonderful profession. It combines the auditory and visual senses with modern technology and creativity. If you feel attracted to it, then find a way to work in this field, good luck !
Thank you kind sir. Yes it’s one thing I could actually see myself doing as a profession.
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Awesome I like to learn this stuff.
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I was told the fastest way for a response is live text over the website.
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On 9/4/2020 at 1:00 PM, Les Lammers said:
It's the software not the speakers. I'm driving Heresy 4's with a 2 watt 45 amp. I use Tidal, wifi connected, with a discontinued Arcam rPlay and a MHDT Labs Orchid DAC. Sounds great.
Do you use the Anthem for movies or only music? Are you streaming Tidal throught the DAC in your amp? Wifi or Bluetooth?
I thought I already said but. I listen to tidal on my computer via optical cord directly plugged into the internet. With a parasound a31 for power amp. And yes using the anthem as of right now for music as well. Sounds beautiful, Since theyRe such high quality speakers tho if the recording isn’t top notch my ears are like ewww. I think I’m gonna get a CD player. Also tidal is lile 27$ over the app so I’m gonna cancel that subscription and get the desktop one, that one is only 20$. Kinda ridiculous how expensive it. Idk if the master quality is worth or not. Gonna have to do some more detailed tests. Thanks for the reply les.
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10 hours ago, mustang_flht said:
You can try out 2 or 3 Franck Zappa songs to listen to your system. Franck Zappa was a big fan of quality sound and he left us a superb legacy, let's take advantage of it. I advise you on Joe's Garage Act I. C&P 1979 the songs Catholic Girl followed by Crew Sl*t, or Why Does It Hurt When I Pee followed by Lucille Has Missed My Mind Up, The Central Scrutinizer will speak between songs, the dynamic is dyke.
If these Zappa songs are good on your system it is well balanced and if you have songs from other artists that sound bad it is poorly recorded.
Good listening 😉
Yep Definitely sounds great on my system thanks for the song suggestions.
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5 hours ago, Islander said:
Sometimes the easiest way to get CD quality is to pop in a CD. And better players do sound better. A top of the line Blu-ray player will do a great job of playing CDs, audibly better than older models.
As for record mixing, some records used to be mixed to sound good through a low-end car audio. To overcome wind and road noise, there would be lots of compression. Some records would make you think they were mixed to sound good with the windows down and the volume cranked up.
As for us hi-fi lovers, we’re not a dying breed, but we’ve always been a small minority, so we’re usually not the customers/listeners that most recording engineers have in mind. There are notable exceptions, of course. Steely Dan and Garbage are two bands that come to mind for really good sound. Leonard Cohen’s records usually sound pretty good, too.
Finally, when listening to a really well-recorded song, and hearing all kinds of subtle sounds that add to the experience, it makes me feel lucky to have a system that lets me hear everything the artist put into the recording, and thankful to the artists who put in the effort to include details in their records that only a minority of their fans will be able to hear.
I’ve also heard of the lumen d2 which is suppose to be better than cd quality. I wonder if this statement is true. I should do some research on it. And YESSSSSA DUDDDE, I’ve said the exact same thing many times. You hear everything and I love it and also feel very lucky. Even hearing things that weren’t intended to be in the album, like say a bird from outside of a Beethoven song or a pianist breathing too hard Before an intense breakdown, or even bombs going off in the background outside of the building where they were recording the song from songs being recorded during world war 2. Well put kind sir, I concur full heartedly and like to hear someone else say what I’ve been saying to myself and other for years.
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21 minutes ago, JoeJoeThe3rd said:
I haven’t really done a comparison. I just used to use it on my phone at first then changed to desktop. If I had to say it sound better on desktop. I’m sure doing it hardwired is a significant difference in sound quality from Bluetooth. You loose sound quality when transfer sound through the air opposed to using a cord like HDMI or optical. I spoke to my speaker dealer to confirm and did a little research online, but I’m sure there’s ways around this. Like there was a kind sir on here that gave a option that you could buy a device and you could listen to music wirelessly at the same listening quality as a HDMI would be. But still I’m skeptical. I think I’m just sticking with the hardwired method so I can be sure and it’s easier and cheaper since I already have all the hardware. I’m confused though if I’m using my sound card or not in my computer or if I have two different sound cards because I’m using an optical cord right now and when I use my optical forward it says I’m using the Realtek digital output optical Realtek High definition audio, and if I use the HDMI cord then what gets selected is the C2 4F390 Nvidia high definition audio In my system sound setting on windows 10. Now in tidal when I use my optical cord I just have selected system controlled under settings. Do I have two sound cards in my computer or on my motherboard I’m confused because of the two different names? Maybe in the future I’ll dabble with the wireless device. Damn it didn’t mean to double the post!!
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2 hours ago, Khornukopia said:
You are correct that using the laptop as the music player with an optical digital connection to the receiver will use the Anthem's DAC.
Maybe it does not matter? Can you hear any difference between PC Tidal w/optical digital vs. phone app Tidal w/Play-Fi? I don't know if you should, just learning along with you.
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2 hours ago, Khornukopia said:
Critical listening mode with the Play-Fi option is your best choice for sound quality. https://play-fi.com/faq/entry/critical-listening-mode
Maybe you can update your laptop app to also have Critical listening mode, but I would presume that your Anthem receiver has a better DAC than the laptop does.
What do you mean, if I use my laptop will I not use the Dac in my receiver? And tidal does not allow for using critical listening mode on desktop applications.
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O ok Isee. I’m running from computer to receiver via optical cord btw. That’s what I thought I just couldn’t wrap my brain around it at first lol. Thank you kind sir. Ya it would be beneficial to do that with tour phone cause with the tidal phone app you can use critical listening mode but the windows 10 tidal doesn’t have that option. What does critical listening mode do exactly again? Also I am using the anthem mrx720 for receiver and parasound a31 to power my front sound stage. Also wouldn’t you get better quality using tidal or is amazon music stuff you buy and dl?
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4 hours ago, rebuy said:
I watch many videos of Danny and he does a lot of good work.
I would be cautious about lining my whole cabinet with "HI Res"
I had a Pair of Polks "S60 Signatures" that had dead *** cabinets.
They didn't deliver the low end goods with the acoustic sounds I like
like a Klipsch does. It was Too Dead. Sold em. Glad I was able to get rid of them.
You could ruin the sound of your speakers by Overdamping.
That stuff is probably hard to remove if you make a mistake by using it.
Better think it over.
Ok thank you, didn’t know that. Maybe less is more. Maybe less would help. And with the rf7iii they do have some type of foam behind the drivers and in other places. I wonder what material that is and what purpose it serves. Except he calls it “nores” I’m guessing that’s the same thing?
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On 8/30/2020 at 11:40 PM, MechEngVic said:
If you use a toslink to mini-toslink cable with a chromecast audio, you can stream up to 96k/24bit hi-res files. In other words, the 3.5mm out on the chromecast doubles as a fiber optic digital out. At 100% volume on the chromecast the stream is bit-perfect. Any streaming app that you can cast from will work, from your tablet, phone, or computer. The chromecast audio toslink out will connect to any receiver/DAC that has a toslink input.
Ok so what would be the benefits of doing this? So I would do this if I wanted better quality if I was going to be streaming off my phone. Do I have to do it via Bluetooth through my phone or can I use the Chromecast with my computer, and if I use it with my computer would it give me any better music quality? I just don’t get the point of using that, aren’t I already getting that quality using tidal through desktop tidal app. Sorry this is just confusing to me? 😩😢. so like if I wanted to use the thing with my computer or phone would I connect to it wirelessly and then plug the Chromecast thing into my receiver via toslink fiber optic digital cord?
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7 hours ago, Khornukopia said:
You may want to use the receiver's DTS Play-Fi application for Tidal streaming. Your Anthem owner's manual should have instructions.
Yeah but do I have to if I’m using tidal through desktop, because it lets me use tidal without having to run Play-Fi. What would be the benefits of using Play-Fi on my desktop opposed to not using it? When i did it through my phone I had to use Play-Fi obviously.
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On 8/31/2020 at 4:10 AM, rebuy said:
Do What you think is best.
I like the way my speakers sound.
My cabinets are damped good enough to
present bass notes and sounds in a Klipsch Sound.
If I didn't like The Klipsch Sound I would have bought different speakers.
I agree ALL Speakers Companies could use better crossovers.
I'm not touching mine until the warranty expires.
Right, I agree. I’m just saying getting better crossover components would make it sound just that much better and cleaner. And for changing the crossover that would be tricky. Exactly I like the way my speakers sound that’s why I’ve always loved klipsch and bought the rf7iii’s but I think there would be some room for improvement without completely ruining the klipsch sound. And yes I said to myself the same thing, not messing with any of that even if I do until warranty isn’t expired for sure. I’m starting to fall in love with these speakers. And the rc64iii sounds so good when playing in surround mode of all channel mode which I’m starting to like more and more the more I use it. It sounds better with certain songs and some songs sound better with just stereo. Depends what kind of mode I’m in you know. But the rc64iii is an absolute beast. Blends in perfectly with the rf7iii’s. Love it.
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7 hours ago, rebuy said:
Klipsch Crossovers are built like 99.9% of all speakers you can buy.
Very few manufacturers use Real High Quality Products.
Right, but I did see a budget b&w bookshelf speaker and they used higher grade stuff like air-core inductors only one sandcast resistor. Would love to get all higher grade components in the crossover and see what it would sound like in my klipsch. Also would love to line the walls with some no-res.
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4 hours ago, artto said:
Joe, with Hi_res streaming services like Tidal or Quboz, to get the best quality you really need to be able to stream the files directly to a "player" that can handle at least 192Khz/24bit.
When I say "player", I'm speaking of something a little different than what we have come to know as a "player". Traditionally this has been, for example, a record player, tape deck (player) or CD "player". We usually associate the term "player" with another piece of hardware.
That's now changing. For the most part, we won't need those things anymore.
The best way to enjoy Tidal is to have a receiver (amplifier) that can accept an ethernet connection directly (or WiFi, although ethernet is faster & more reliable). Devialet Expert Pro, Hegal H120, NAD M32 w/BluOS are examples that can all accept your network connection directly. With these you'll also be able to use a phone or tablet (with the proper free app) to stream a Bluetooth source to these amp/receivers. Bluetooth will obviously not be as good as streaming Hi_res Master files, but I prefer to stream (via Bluetooth) some of my local radio stations instead of using FM radio. FM broadcast quality is is not what it used to be.
I've experimented streaming Tidal directly into the BluOS module in my M32 vs. from the Windows laptop with HDMI connection to the M32. On *most* material it probably doesn't make too much difference, especially if you're not familiar with it (like new stuff you haven't heard before). But if you want the current best quality you really need to eliminate all the extra components & cables/connections in between.
As an inexpensive alternative, a product like Bluesound Node2i ($500) you get the ethernet input connection, Bluetooth, WiFi, analog or digital outputs to your amplifier, and if you don't want to use the DAC built-in to the Node2i just use the analog outputs to bypass it's internal DAC. I had one of these hooked up to a McIntosh MA5300 integrated and it sounded excellent.
EDIT: the main point I'm trying to make is that in the above examples, the amplifier is "the player"
My receiver is the anthem mrx720. Is that something that would work well in your opinion? I mean I would think to use a hardwired connection would sound much better than Bluetooth right? Using optical or HDMI has got to sound a lot better than wireless right? But I guess your saying it doesn’t make much of a difference. But the difference it does make is what? Which sounds better? What do you mean eliminate all the extra components and cables/connections in between? I mean I know what you’re saying but I don’t know what those might be. All I do is hook up my computer to my anthem mrx720 via optical cord because if I try to use an HDMI cord I get this bad static sound from my front sound stage. Now I downloaded play fi on my computer and can play it through that also but I don’t see the need to because it works without me having to use it unlike if I was to use tidal on my phone. I don’t even know if my receiver is hooked up to the Internet wirelessly I was having problems getting it connected wirelessly but I know I did get it connected eventually but when I turn it off I don’t know if it reconnects automatically when I turn it on and I don’t plug an ethernet cord into the back of it because I need my only one to plug into the back of my computer to get my Internet connection on my computer. I think The has static something to do with my computer because I tried it with my other laptop and it didn’t do it.
also what do I set my sound quality too in my control panel on my computer, in tidal it said to set it to 16bit 44100hz cd quality. Is this what it should be at?
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On 8/29/2020 at 6:48 AM, willland said:
All recordings are not created equal. Different sound engineers, philosophies, compression, etc. can contribute to the quality, good or bad, of the final product. The more revealing the system the more revealing sound that hits your ears. If the master recording is not good quality, nothing can be done to make it "better".
One example of great sound engineering is the group Steely Dan. Their worst most compressed least dynamic copies are better than 75% of what you can find out there.
Google "Loudness Wars" and you will see.
Bill
Exactly.
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11 hours ago, RandyH000 said:
glad to hear it -------but crossovers do have an impact on overall sound , and higher quality capacitors will bring out more nuances - it's the extra mile in bringing out the best in these speakers
Right I’ve being watching some videos of gr research and he really makes some amazing content and some really informative stuff. Especially about klipsch speakers and the capacitors they use for the crossover and whatnot. Very interesting and intriguing. Would love to know what my RF-7III’s would sound like with some high quality components and some air core inductors and poly caps and without all the sand-cast resistors, which I’m guessing is what it has a lot of in it. Wonder how much of a difference it would make audibly.
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1 hour ago, RandyH000 said:
Try different branded recordings of the same artist or other artists , if this is the only problematic recording -------you may have a bad factory media which happens , I have seen this more than once --and sadly , it happens ------the one off bad one , one in 100 thousand -----but if it's the same across the board and , you hear it , with various recordings , the speakers have an issue -
It happens just on some songs. I’m thoroughly impressed by these speakers. I think the way Chris described it he described it best. Just has to do with who records it and how they record it. Very impressed by these speakers but that doesn’t mean I haven’t had my Troubles with them... getting them sorted out I am. Thanks for the help. I think there’s more bad recordings thaN 1 in 100,000. Quite often I can tell a difference in so called hifi sound quality because who ever recorded it or what not didn’t do a very good job. Or I’m sure there’s more factors than that that go into the final sound quality. In conclusion I don’t think it has to do with my speakers being faulty.
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18 hours ago, Chris A said:
The studio that mastered the album that you speak of (White Ladders by David Grey) is named "360 Mastering" in the UK. They currently advertise the following loudspeakers that they use:
PMC-MB2S-XBD-A Active Monitoring System
Amplifier power per channel: LF 600W, LF 600W, MF 120W , HF 120W
Crossover frequency: 380Hz & 3.8kHz
Dimensions: H 68.5" W 15" D 21"
Drivers: LF x 2 (12" driver) , MF (1" fabric dome) , HF (soft dome)
Weight: 194 lbsGenelec 1029a active nearfield monitor
SPL -- Short term RMS @ 1m -- 100 dB SPL, Peak per pair with music material 110 dB SPL @ 1m
Drivers -- Bass 5", Treble 3/4" metal dome + DCW
Crossover frequencies 3.3 kHz
Free field frequency response ± 2.5dB (70 - 18,000 Hz)
Amplifier power / ch -- Bass 40 W, Treble 40 W
Here is a shot of their current studio:
The above is part of the issue with the track in question, but especially the judgments of the person who did the mastering and the musician that accepted his work. The track of which you speak (Sail Away) has a dynamic range rating of 9 (dB). (I don't own a copy of track.) Apparently the mastering person pushed the loudness of the track too far and couldn't hear the effects of that loudness level on the loudspeakers and room shown above...or he could hear the effects but chose to make it that loud anyway. There is an unknown amount of compression and limiting used in this track, probably well over 10 dB.
The Sarah McLachlan track (Angel) has a dynamic range rating of 12 (dB), i.e., 3 dB higher. I own a copy of this track from the album Surfacing. While the album isn't terrible, it does have ~3 dB of clipping average across the album. The particular track that you identify (Angel) has a solo piano and female voice with an electric bass accompaniment that was overdubbed after the voice and piano were recorded. This track isn't particularly hi-fi, but it's not terrible either. It sounds "edgy" as released, not really very close to what it would sound like live without amplification--and more like the microphones used were placed too close to the singer and piano. There is also a fair amount of artificial reverberation used. It has about 1 dB of limiting/EQ to compress the dynamic range. The is an unknown amount of compression used in this track, probably ~6 dB.
Chris
Lovely information, love it. Thanks!
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Well I’m listening to it on tidal which is suppose to be equal to cd quality. Or atleast I think masters is. Yes I’m starting to do a little research on how important your room is. But on the tidal desktop app they don’t have the critical listening mode like they do on the phone app. So I’m trying to figure out which way would acually sound better, either through the phone app Bluetooth or hardwired through thround the desktop app on windows 10. I’m guessing Windows 10 cause it’s not Bluetooth. If anyone knows this question for sure please be kind enough to answer it for me. Also, thank you guys for all the other answers. I downloaded some hi rez audio from the audiophiliac and it sounds quite lovely, enjoying that as I speak. I think I’m going to end up buying a CD player. Is that the best way to get the beat sounding and best quality Audio. I’ve also heard of the lumen d2 which is like a music streamer that takes music from all of the streaming apps or something but it’s suppose to be better quality than cd, idk about that but what I do know is it would be another 2 grand about. 🤷♂️. What would you guys recommend.
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I’m confused. When I listen to say Sarah McLachlan angel on my rf-7III the sound is impeccable and so beautiful it could bring me to tears. But then I go to David grey sail away on tidal and it just seems to all fall apart, I mean it’s not horrible but from angel to sail away I just don’t know how there’s such a drastic change in overall quality and depth and Fidelity and clarity And both are so called hifi quality. I don’t understand how it can be both “hifi” music and I’m sure both well recorded but yet the sound quality on my end is so different. And this happens with many songs sometimes. Why does this happen? And like it’s kinda loud but Not too loud only at around -33 and it seems about 2 times close to when the songs almost over when Sara is singing the tweeter starts ringing or distorting for just a split second or so and it seems like its only coming from my right rf7iii. Probably has to do with the crossover or the horn? I’ve noticed klipsch speakers don’t like certain tones. Does anyone else get or notice things like this from Angel or any other songs?
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Ya I’m not buying it. Long legs and blonde hair sound better lol.