[Klipsch K 27K and K 28K difference in the Tangent]

9 hours ago, OO1 said:

 the K-27 is a 6 Ohms woofer , it's not an 8 Ohms woofer  

Ahhh i see

4 hours ago, winglet said:

What are you trying to replace with what and in what speaker?

No im not trying to replace, i just want to replicate the Heresy 3 with the K27K

[Klipsch K 27K and K 28K difference in the Tangent]

2 hours ago, winglet said:

k-27 is a couple db less efficient and I believe uses an 8ohm voice coil
 

 

Yes thats what ive read as well, but is it that significant in sound quality?

[Klipsch K 27K and K 28K difference in the Tangent]

Hi

 

I need to know is there anyone who knows the main difference between this 2 woofers in Tangent 4000 and 5000

 

Im aware that the T5000 used the K 28K from the Heresy III and its 4ohm CMIIW, but whay about the T4000 it uses the K 27K which physically looks identical

 

Thanks

[Klipscorn 70th anniversary crossover diagram]

On 9/27/2021 at 10:51 AM, RandyH said:

I  am not sure that they would share that information , unless  you owned the speaker , and even then , they may , or they may not -  the schematic is proprietary information  nonetheless   , it's not public information like a Brochure or a specs sheet 

Ah damn thats too bad, really curious with it

 

On 9/27/2021 at 10:34 PM, Panelhead said:

  I will be pulling the crossovers out of mine soon. Can trace it out. 

  These latest crossovers are constructed with very high quality parts. Nothing like motor run caps of old. Are you hoping to upgrade yours or diy one?

Hey you read my mind hehehe, yeah kindda curious on the parts itself and the design, i got pretty good result on modifying the Heresy 4, i change the same value with jantzen superior caps and sonic caps, with his TI Diafraghm, the result is very clean Heresy with better midrange response but the Chorn is just a different beast and it does have an amp and cable dependent very very much and again the corner placement does effect a lot on the mid bass and bass response

[Klipscorn 70th anniversary crossover diagram]

7 hours ago, wuzzzer said:

Did you look in this thread to see if it's there?

 

https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/113804-klipsch-crossovers/

Yeap done that

6 hours ago, RandyH said:

not out yet --

Ahh i see, any idea how to contact the tech section of Klipsch? The only thing that i got from the web is only the sales department

[Klipscorn 70th anniversary crossover diagram]

Hi 

 

Does anybody has the diagram of the 70th anniversary Klipscorn? Is the model name AK6? 

 

Thank

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

On 1/11/2021 at 11:28 PM, MicroMara said:

The T 500 is a 8 Ohm Speaker so requires the 8 Ohm Tubeamp outputs as well. The minimum power requirements are 20wpc . The chinese Tubeamp ( Reisong ? ) hasn´t enough power.

If it´s one of those Reisong entry models for approx. $ 300 , sorry to tell you, those are limited to 3 wpc. only.  Sell it , if possible and look for another better and more powerful tubeamp.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the detail given, its got 97db with 20watt minimum, ive tried 8ohm to my T4000 the last gen of the Tangent its loud i mean real loud, but not with my old T500 which is weird

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

16 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:

The issue would seem to be the Impedance setting on the amplifier  -- the amplifier is seeing the speakers as setup  on the wrong impedance setting  -

is the amp impedance setting at 8 Ohms or 4 Ohms - if 8 Ohms , the amplifier sees the speakers T500 as 4 Ohms speakers -

 

For optimal efficiency you would need to switch the Chinese  Amplifier  to 4  Ohms  with the Tangent T500  -

Thanks a lot and yes its on ideal level of listening now not soo quiet anymore

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

4 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:

if the amp has a switch  to 8 and 4 ohms , it's designed for 4 and 8ohms   -   go ahead - switch it - 

Roger that, thanks again ill get back to you

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

4 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:

switch it

Safe? Some said that it cause the amp to work harder? 

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

2 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:

it's your AMP ,  you said it , I use the Chinese Amp  , I have a problem , I use another SS amp , no problem,    you want to defy the Laws of physics , you can't  -----  HeHeHe  ----

tell me ----do you have 4 ohms and 8 ohms settings on that Chinese amp  -Hehehe 

 

Randy thanks for helping out, and yes it got 4ohm and 8ohm

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

1 minute ago, billybob said:

Well. your finding are verifying that conclusion.

Thanks im just trying to find confirmation cause im new to this Hi Fi world but thanks anyway

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

1 minute ago, billybob said:

No weird to me. Size and efficiency matter. Chorus is 101 db efficient.

So 5db difference will be that significant? Cause its quiet vs quite loud

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

1 minute ago, billybob said:

Think you will find the T-500 to be 96 or 97 db efficient.

Yesh

96db T500

99db heresy 4

101 chorus 2

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

1 minute ago, RandyH000 said:

your Chinese AMP is the issue

U mean the chinese amp knows which speaker to drive louder than the other? Hehehe 

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

1 minute ago, billybob said:

Cool...then your crossover s are working as they should.

Right, what makes me curious is just the chorus 2 got almost the same sensitivity but and chorus 2 is much more louder than the T500, which is weird

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

23 minutes ago, RandyH000 said:

who repaired your crossovers   ,

where did you purchase these parts -----

-check the wiring/connections  of your speakers ----

are you doing the  test with the Heresy 4 using the same amplifier -

Amp tech help me do it, and i bought tje value based on stock caps, u mean the cable from crossover to tweeter, squawker and woofer, that shlouldnt be a problem cause with my adcom solid state power everything seems fine loud and clear

 

Yesh i use the same amp with the heresy 4

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

23 minutes ago, billybob said:

If you did a good job on replacing the capacitors in crossover, could be the amplifier is not providing enough power. Borrow a Solid State stereo amplifier/receiver to check.

Yap if i use my quicksilver and acdom power everything is normal, just when i randomly try with small class A amp its just soo quiet

[Klipsch Tangent T500 loudness Help]

Hi again

 

So ive been trying a single ended class A 7watt chinese integrated amp, and with the 99db sensitivity this klipsch seems to be very quiet compared to my dads heresy 4 which have the same sensitivity, is there any problem with the autotrans of the crossover? Cause ive already recaps the caps recently

 

If i need to check or change how do i do that? With multimeter or? 

 

Thanks

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

Ill reply my own question, manage to uninstall the stuffing and put in the original, yes ive notice a changes in bass, it feels lighter and resonates easily ill get back after a few hours of listening

 

So after extended listening and comparing tangent 4000 and tangent 500,i come to a conclusion both of them are different and one doesnt better than the other in bass department (i wont discuss the tweeter and squawker cause they do share similarities to eash other).

The T500 (after back to original stuffing) sounds more bigger and broader, the bass is rounder (due to the passive i think)and lighter (less stuffing)

The T4000 (i do stuff a lot) they have much more heavy bass i think due to the stuffings and porting, while not as wide and broad the T4000 have its own characteristic

 

I hope my experience can help fellow members to understand the differences between them

 

I realize that the T500 share similarities with the first forte

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

Ill reply my own question, manage to uninstall the stuffing and put in the original, yes ive notice a changes in bass, it feels lighter and resonates easily ill get back after a few hours of listening

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

14 hours ago, Alexander said:

 

You mention new stuffing, what was used? The OEM both use sheets of foam rubber roughly 12” x 36” or so. Were these replaced with something else? Was something added in addition to the OEM foam? Not trying to imply anything just curious.

 

 

I did cover the wall area of the cabinet internal with the egg crates foam fully untill there is no surface area, is that the reason why its missing the bass?

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

14 hours ago, billybob said:

Going to drink a cup but, always thought a ported speaker dug lower. Maybe I am thinking of a rear ported or rear passive.

With the ported i can feel the "Attack", with the passive i can feel the "heavy" and the "deep" and that makes the T500 feels bass heavy

 

14 hours ago, Alexander said:

 

You mention new stuffing, what was used? The OEM both use sheets of foam rubber roughly 12” x 36” or so. Were these replaced with something else? Was something added in addition to the OEM foam? Not trying to imply anything just curious.

 

 

I used the usual egg crates looking foam, the original only got  2 block of foam not even covering the whole area, does this explain why the bass is missing? i did with the ported as well but the ported seems to deliver nicely

14 hours ago, billybob said:

That is always why I wanted a 400 to compare.

i can help you in this department hehehe

[Klipsch K24 Woofer substitute for Tangent T500]

13 hours ago, Alexander said:

 

The k24 was used in the Heresy II so you should be able to use Crites CW1228 woofers if you are looking for a replacement. But I sense you may be looking for some kind of upgrade.

 

 

https://critesspeakers.com/prices-other_stuff.html

 

 

 

Currently i have no idea whats normal K24 sounds like? but what weird is it just got no power to it

[Klipsch K24 Woofer substitute for Tangent T500]

Hi all, ive been looking around for an easy substitute for my T500 woofer, anybody can help?