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Omg.. Pulling a brand new 8000 euros costing speaker apart 😳

In a few weeks I want to do a nice upgrade with my amp. But I don't know anything about amps. 15 years ago i heard that a tubeamp is the best combo for the lascala. So I bought the Dynaco ST70....and thats all I know 😅 I have no comparison experience at all and don't know what you can expect in terms of improvements with an upgrade . One says tubeamp is the best, and the other claims that an SS amp is the best choice.... So many people, so many opinions

@Dave A just curious, did you hear the CW4 play on a tubeamp or on a SS amp.

I've read some comments about the CW3's "too small" midhorn. And although I try to stay away from the conclusion which speaker sounds "better" because I know that this depends on many variables (personal taste, acoustics, etc) I would like to give my opinion about the CW3 vs CW4. When I switched from the Chorus 1 to the CW3 I indeed had the idea (not A/B tested unfortunately) that the midrange of the CW3 sounded a bit smaller than that of the Chorus 1. Perhaps this is indeed due to the somewhat smaller midhorn of the CW3. But the CW3 sounded very musical to me and when the CW4 replaced the CW3 I heard a quite clearly audible difference between these two speakers, which turned out to be in favor of the CW4 on almost all points. But I definitely missed a bit of emotion in the music with the CW4 that I did hear in the CW3. When I listened to the CW4 I felt like I was listening to music but wasn't emotionally sucked into it. And when I listened to the CW3 I disappeared into the music. My foot was tapping to the beat of the music, or I was almost headbanging on the couch listening to "The Wall". The CW4 is just a bit too analytical. The music sounds better than the CW3. Less boomy.. More detail.. Brighter.. But the CW3 has more emotion in my experience. So maybe the CW3 has a "too small" midhorn,nevertheless this speaker did something really good for me with this horn. Something I can't find in the CW4 yet..

5 pages of comment and almost no responses to the audible differences between the CW3 and CW4.. I hope they will still come 😉

Have you had the CW3 yourself or been able to listen to it properly? If so, what didn't sound good to you regarding the midhorn?

Agree on that, So let's share our experiences instead of claiming which is the better one. Others can use this info when they try to hear the differences during a listening demo

Exactly this!!!! When I looked for information I found a lot of CW4 reviews. And all of them were so incredibly positive that they almost made me suspicious. I really haven't been able to find any critical comments about the CW4 on the youtubetube. That's to good to be true in my opinion. Is it plausible to think that all these reviewers have been pushed to a positive review? Don't get me wrong, not saying that the CW4 ain't good. I think it's a very good speaker!!. . But when I listen to the CW4 I don't recognize them as how they are reviewed

Nothing wrong with this opinion, but please also explain why you prefer the 1 above the 3. That makes such a statement much more interesting and also adds something to this topic.

@RoloxHave you also owned the CW3 yourself or have you been able to compare the speakers next to each other? @ODS12350 years, and I'm not good at hearing small changes in sound. So, for example, hearing the differences between speaker cables is not for me, I simply do not hear it. I find it also difficult to hear differences between amplifiers. But I could definitely hear a distinct difference between the CW3 and the CW4 myself. I'm surprised you couldn't hear these differences. Perhaps the acoustics or setup where the CW4 stood was disadvantageous, so that the differences were not audible? @Dave A nice, That is indeed the most ideal way to be able to test. Unfortunately, a side by side comparison was not possible for me. However, I really knew some songs through and through how they sounded on the CW3, and these were the comparison material for me.

You made me think with your comment. But isn't this what we all do when we upgrade our speakers or gear? We do it to improve the sound quality /Listening pleasure. So don't you always try to end up with a winner, an upgrade? I do agree with you that sometimes the outcome can be that both choices are good, but different.

Hi billybob, You also on this forum?? , that's a coincidence. 😉. Nice to speak to you again!!.. Well, believe me that I tried my search options but I could not find any threads about the CW3 vs CW4 except for just one. And also in that thread I missed the nuanced tone when it came to the cw4

@mikebse2a3thx for your advice. And yes, I will certainly try everything to get the sound so optimal. But i will wait until after the break in period and I am used to the sound. Then I can better hear the small differences. But good tips. 👍🏻 I've read a lot about the resonance of the CW3 I never really noticed it to be honest. Maybe because I never play the music at a loud volume, or maybe the resonance was the warmth in the sound that I liked with the CW3.

This was one of my problems when I was searching for information. All I could find was CW4 is the best,way better then the CW3 who suffers far too much from resonance. I hope that more members give their opinion in a nuanced way so that this topic can be interesting for those who are looking for some info.

If it seems I'm drawing already my conclusions, no...this is definitely not the case. I only share my very first findings. Indeed I still have to tweak, break in period, ears still have to get used to, etc

I think it can indeed drive you crazy, you are going to spend a lot of money on new speakers but it is very difficult to make a good comparison. If after purchase it turns out that something in the sound is disappointing, it can seriously ruin your listening pleasure.

Good day, I do my best to tell my story as clearly as possible, but I'm Dutch and English ain't my native language. My apologies if I am formulating strange sentences or misusing words. I would like to share my personal story/short review and opinion about the Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4 I also hope to initiate a conversation where Cornwall listeners and interested parties share their experience and opinion. I think it's nice to read each other's opinions and experiences, but maybe this can also be informative for others. To my great frustration, I could hardly find any information about the Cornwall 3 vs Cornwall 4. A listening demo at the dealer was possible, but there I listen to a different audio set in a different room with different acoustics. Also, an A/B comparison between the Cornwall 3 and the 4 is not possible. So any information I could find was welcome... And this was very disappointing. A little bit of information about my situation: I am a lover of the Heritage sound. Have also owned a number of Heritage speakers and now own the Cornwall 4. I don't have much experience and knowledge in the audio field and have almost only listened to Klipsch speakers. Read my experience and opinion as a great enthusiast, but nothing more than that. As equipment I have a tube amplifier, the Dynaco ST70 with El34, the NAS 1000s as a preamplifier and the Cambridge Cxn V2 as a streamer (Tidal) Listening room is a living room of 12m x 5.5m where the speakers are placed on the long wall. While impressed with the Chorus 1 I owned at the time, I was looking for more and decided to give the Heritage 4 a shot. After a listening demo at a very good hi-fi shop, I was impressed by the CW4 and Forte4. In this demo I found the Forte4 only the winner. The CW4 sounded bigger, more open, but also quite boomy. Maybe because I was used to the Chorus, which has very little bass. Maybe because of the acoustics or because of the equipment that was used. I don't know, but on this demo, the Forte 4 won me over due to the dominant bass of the CW4. But my interest was triggered in the Heritage 4 line. By pure chance I came into contact with a man who had a nice set of CW3 and wanted to sell it. I was able to buy them for a very reasonable amount and so the Chorus 1 went into the corner of the living room and the CW3 was now set up. Perhaps this speaker was enough of an upgrade for me and a heritage 4 speaker set was not even necessary. It took me a while to get used to the CW3. The basses were much fuller and more present. The CW3 could also sound quite boomy at times. The midrange seemed a bit smaller than with the Chorus 1. But overall I thought it was an upgrade compared to the Chorus. It sounded more like a full range speaker, only the bass was sometimes a bit too fat and I had the idea that the midrange was smaller and less open. (I have never checked with an A/B test whether this is correct) After a period of getting used to, I can only say that I really liked the sound of the CW3. Maybe not perfect, but I could really enjoy the sound that the speakers produced. Still, the CW4 continued to itch. All reviews are so very positive about this speaker. I couldn't find any negative opinion or experience anywhere. So yes.. I remained greedy for more. More of all this fine and good.. So the need to try the CW4 still remained alive. After owning the CW3 for a few weeks, I was offered a nice deal from another hi-fi dealer. There I got a listening demo and I could listen to the CW4 for the second time. This time I brought my own amplifier. Again the CW4 sounded different than expected. The bass was fine now, but I thought the sound was a bit duller than the CW3 I had at home. Again no idea what caused this, acoustics, his tube preamp or his streamer. But if I were to judge purely on my impression of this demo, I wouldn't have bought the CW4. However, because of all the rave reviews I read, and also because I spoke to someone on facebook who had made the upgrade from the CW3 to CW4 and was very positive about it, and because there was also a bit of greed played with it, I took the gamble and i bought them. I had hooked up and positioned the CW4 exactly as I had done with the CW3. 3 meters between the speakers, listening position 3.5 meters from the speakers. Towed the speakers in so they are facing me and removed the grill. The first thing I noticed was a clear sound. The small details were more audible. And the midrange seemed a bit bigger. Until it was really time to go to sleep I listened to music, which amounts to about 10 hours of listening to music. My first findings are therefore based on speakers and my ears that probably still need to break in. I hear some say 200 hours, 50 hours, and others say that breaking in speakers is bullshit. I have no idea who is saying the right thing, time will tell. After two days of listening, these are my first findings: -the CW4 seems to have a larger midrange -the CW4 shows more detail (I'm sure of this) -the sound seems a bit clearer with the CW4 - the bass is significantly less. The CW3 could sometimes sound a bit boomy and there I sometimes wanted to turn the bass back with the tone control. With the CW4 this is the opposite, I have now turned up the bass by +1/+2. - the bass seems a bit tighter from the CW4 and I think I hear a bit more detail. -overall the sound of the CW4 seems a bit more analytical a bit more "audiophile" - the speaker looks really nice. I really like it a lot better than the CW3 -I can't get used to the new grill of the CW4. And that's because of the color. There is a kind of yellowish bronze glow over the grill which I don't like matching with that chic walnut veneer. Plain black or silver/iron look would have been much nicer. Unfortunately.. -the CW3 seems a bit warmer in the sound, a bit more easy to listen to. -the CW3 sometimes seems a bit more airy in the midrange, playing the music with a little more ease. I find this a bit more difficult to describe. But this is something that always struck me with the CW3.. The ease with which some instruments were reproduced. It sounded very light and detailed. The CW4 also does this with a lot of detail and dynamics, but I miss the ease in it.. The airy sound. (maybe because they need some more break in time, who knows) Based on my first impression, is the CW4 the better speaker? I do think that the sound is different/improved on a number of points compared to the CW3. Whether it's the speaker that still needs to break in, or my ears that still have to get used to it, I don't know. But the CW3 definitely contains something in the sound, warmth..a certain ease and emotion which I don't hear in the CW4 yet and which I really liked with the CW3. So far my very first impression after two days of listening to the CW4. I know that things can still change and there is also a good chance that I will come back to my previous findings. My intention is to update this topic later and share my thoughts on the CW4 again. I'd also like to share a bit of text from a conversation I had with someone who thought their CW3 sounded better than the CW4. I find it so striking because for me this was the first and only person I heard talk less positive about the CW4 and even thought the CW3 sounded better and so did his friend. His friend also changed his CW4 for a CW3. Now that I own the CW4 myself and can compare the 3 with the 4, I recognize some comments and I understand better why the CW4 might not be a better speaker for everyone. my personal findings are still the same, my general impression of cornwall III is that it sounds more open and fuller than the cornwall IV, maybe the cornwall IV goes a bit more in detail, but when it comes to live music, the cornwall III gives you the feeling that you are in the middle of it .it just makes me smile... it's something strange...if you've never heard or had cornwall and you hear or buy cornwall IV then you think wow I'm never getting rid of this one! and then you really don't think after that I'm going to cornwall III because the general trend is loudspeakers are getting better and better... but if you've had the cornwall III first, and then you hear or buy cornwall IV, Then it can be positive or perhaps disappointing , because they sound different...and cornwall III sounds better to me. but who am I ... tastes differ, opinions differ, listening and comparing yourself is still the best, chances are you will be disappointed if you go from III to IV! I personally would never trade my III for an IV. meanwhile my friend has exchanged his IV for a III and is very happy!

Can't remove ... 😉

Indeed, they look exactly like the cables used in the Chorus. Then they are indeed not cheap cables. I leave the cables. Firstly, because soldering is not beneficial for the filter. And secondly, because this wickerwork is apparently supposed to be. I thought someone had put those cables together themselves. Thanks for the info about the cables 👍🏻

I find this hard to believe. No brand or marks can be found on the cables. Just a plain blue and black cable. Cables that are so expensive have a different look, it seems to me.

@pcbiz Are these cables special then??

Thx for the tip, And then I can say that I will definitely do this ..... But no, I know myself.. This will never happen 😏

OK, It is clear to me that this bundle of wires is complete nonsense. I will have this adjusted to a normal wiring situation Thank you all for helping me out. I appreciate it 👍🏻

Sorry, I was not clear.. But this is exactly what I mean

And should I just use 1 blue and 1 black of the four wires instead of 4x4? Or do you say, remove everything and replace it with something completely different.