BearFan Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 I need a bit of clarification on the DVD-Audio cables since I'm new to area component/home theater. I currently have the optical cable from my player to my receiver for digital audio; additionally, for DVD-Audio I have hooked the 6 analog outputs from the player to the receiver via 3 rca cables (1 for R/L main; 1 for R/L rear; and 1 for the sub and center channel). Problem is there is virtually NO low-end to the music via the DVD-A. I'm assuming I need other cables to hook for the sub analog connection between the player and receiver? But exactly what is the name of the cable needed and why is a traditional RCA cable (w/ R/L plugs) not sufficient? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan Posted January 22, 2003 Author Share Posted January 22, 2003 Technically, my post doesn't belong under ProMedia because my system is 6.1 and there is no subsection for 6.1 under ProMedia. I didn't know I'd be so offensive in trying to ask a general technical home audio question just in attempts to gain further knowledge. I'm sorry it upsets some of you. For those that can look past these superficial differences in the interpretation of forum ettiquette, please answer my original question regarding analog connection for DVD-A... or be forewarned, I'll post under every single topic and trade in my Klipsh for some B&W's (joke). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyK Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 BearFan, Does your DVD-Audio player have bass management? If not, that's why you have poor bass response. Without bass management there is nothing to direct the low bass information to your subwoofer. Outlaw audio sells a product called an ICBM which does bass management between your DVD-Audio player and the receiver. Hope this helps. Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan Posted January 22, 2003 Author Share Posted January 22, 2003 Marty, Thanks for your response. I'm not sure if my player has bass mgmt... so, I'm assuming it probably doesn't. What is bass management in a disc player? I was under the assumption that bass managment occured between the receiver, sub and speakers? I'll check out the ICBM. Thanks again. I have the JVC XV-FA900BK... i just copied and pasted some features listed on the jvc website for this particular product (not sure what features refer to bass mgmt): 7-disc carousel with Play& Exchange Plays DVD-Audio,DVD Video, DVD-R, CD,CD-R/RW, SVCD, VCD, MP3Formats and Digital Stills (JPEG on CD-R/RW) Built-in Dolby Digital/ DTS Multi-channel Decoders High-bit/high-sampling (10-bit/54MHz video D/A converter) Component Video, Composite Video, and S-Video terminals 192kHz/24-bit P.E.M. D.D. audio converter ,8x oversampling digital filter & an exclusive 4th-order noise shaper to effectively shape noise from the audio range. Progressive Scan Output, "Digital Direct" that can produce the video output at twice the conventional speed to allow the direct conversion of DVD's 24fps into progressive 60fps for display on your TV, thereby avoiding the quality disadvantages of I/P conversion. Glow Multi-brand remote control Coaxial digital outputs for PCM, Dolby Digital and DTS Optical digital outputs for PCM, Dolby Digital and DTS Gold Analog Outputs (front left/right, center, rear left/right, subwoofer) Separate construction throughout: Power supply, Digital circuitry, Analog Video and Analog Audio circuits are physically separated Resume (bookmark) function "Digest" function for visual access to desired title/chapter 3D-Phonic for virtual surround sound 13-step high quality zoom from 1/8x to 1024x. Dynamic Range: More than 110dB Video Fine Processor with Seven Parametersto adjust New High-resolution GUI (Graphical User Interface) Video output DVD Component Video output S-Video Output Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartyK Posted January 22, 2003 Share Posted January 22, 2003 BearFan, The following was taken off the outlaw audio site explaining why you need bass management with DVD-Audio. "Why the ICBM? Most of today's DVD-Audio players, and some of today's multi-channel SACD players, do not have bass management when you're playing DVD-Audio or SACD discs. (The players themselves may contain bass management menus, but this built in circuitry is probably effective only when you're listening to Dolby Digital and DTS soundtracks.) As a result, when you're listening to DVD-Audio or SACD discs, all of the speakers get a full-range signal, (with deep bass being sent to all speakers), and the separate ".1" bass track goes only to the subwoofer. Thus, the main speakers in the system may get more bass than they can handle. And in systems without a subwoofer, most of the bass will be thrown away, because it cannot be routed to the other speakers. The ICBM can fix these problems entirely. Connect it between your DVD-Audio or SACD player and your receiver or preamp/processor, and the ICBM will put all the bass in the right place. If you have small satellite speakers and a subwoofer, it will keep the bass out of the small speakers and send it all to the subwoofer. If you have large tower speakers and no subwoofer, the ICBM will route the ".1" bass from the subwoofer track over to the tower speakers. Even if your DVD-Audio or SACD player does have bass management, it will be much less versatile than the ICBM's circuitry, and thus won't let you fine-tune your system, as the ICBM will. The ICBM works not only with 5.1-channel systems, but also with 6.1-channel systems like Lucasfilm THX Surround EX and DTS ES-Matrix and ES-Discrete. We have included an extra channel of bass management to accommodate these systems. That extra channel also lets the ICBM work with the 6.0 channel systems now being championed by Chesky Records. These systems repurpose two of the channels in DVD-Audio or multi-channel SACD, using the center channel as a left front/side "height" channel, and the LFE channel as a right front/side "height" channel. The ICBM-1 Features and Functions: The ICBM-1 is a precision, audiophile grade bass management device developed primarily for use with multi-channel DVD-Audio and SACD players. In order to preserve the quality of the analog signal, the ICBM employs state of the art, low-noise, dual op-amps, metal-film resistors and film capacitors. To enable you to precisely match the crossover points of your specific speaker complement, the ICBM allows you separate crossover points for the front left/right, center, and right surround, left surround and subwoofer channels. These crossover choices are 40 Hz, 60 Hz, 80 Hz, 100 Hz and 120 Hz. In addition to performing this mandatory function for DVD-Audio or SACD, the ICBM may also substitute for a pre-amp's own bass management circuitry. Bass management is the process of redirecting bass signals to the appropriate place in your system. Whether you have small satellite, bookshelf, or tower speakers your system is not running to its full potential without proper bass management. Small bookshelves and satellite speakers are not designed to play back low bass signals. Redirection of this low frequency energy to a dedicated subwoofer will not only prevent your speakers from being damaged but also allows the signal to be reproduced. Many bookshelf speakers begin to stop producing output between 60 and 100 Hz. Without bass management, signals below these frequencies are lost. Many enthusiasts with tower speakers run them full bandwidth. While this is certainly safe in most cases, it is not ideal. Most tower speakers are incapable of reproducing a flat frequency response down to 20 cycles, and often times begin to roll off around 40 Hz. In addition to the loss of low bass information, your speakers (and amplifier) are being asked to run at full steam. Freeing up your speakers from these lowest bass signals enables them to reproduce higher frequencies with greater accuracy, and depth, improving overall sound quality and user enjoyment. The ICBM-1 sets a new standard for bass management flexibility far exceeding the capabilities of today's most advanced pre-amp processors. The ICBM-1 offers separate, user selectable crossover points, sub level control, independent LFE trim control, adjustable slope control, and bass recombine all while remaining acoustically transparent. If that weren't enough, the ICBM is the only bass management device we are aware of that may optionally be configured to drive stereo subwoofers with "hard left" and "hard right" derived bass signals. This is accomplished by summing the bass from the left, left surround and half of the center channel bass signals for the left subwoofer, and the right, right surround and the other half of the center channel bass signals for the right subwoofer. " the web site is located at: http://www.outlawaudio.com/home.html ICBM info at: http://www.outlawaudio.com//products/icbm.html Hope this helps. Marty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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