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Amazing submissions, Gil. Thankyou so much for the abundance of info. That is extremely interesting!

John, Thanks for the info!! I actually thought I had a slightly better sound with the bi-wires than the way I have it hooked up now. I am more interested in the stress on my amp and/or speakers than the sound, considering the difference is nominal. I will definitely go back to the bi-wires. Thanks again for all the help!

Gil, Thankyou so much for the informative post!!! You summed an EXTREMELY difficult situation up about as well as one could. I was actually thrown for a loop when I tried to manually measure the impedance across each input with a volt meter, and found the high input on both speakers to be infinite (like an open). The way you described it explains that situation. I greatly appreciate the time you took to write out the lengthy reply, and it hit right at home with me. This is the first time someone has really explained to me how a bi-wireable speaker works, and not just HOW TO HOOK IT UP. Thanks again Gil, that was a lot of good information!!

Thanks again for the reply, that page has a lot of good info. I know how to hook up the bi-wiring, however. I only have my receiver, no other preamps or external amplifiers. So I am wondering if hooking up one bi-wire to one output of my receiver is any different than if I were to hook up two separate sets of speaker wires out of two different outputs of my receiver. I can't seem to find anything that gives me details. The outputs are both regular outputs (not a low pass and high pass), I just hook one up to the low (woofer) inputs of both speakers, and the other output to the high inputs of both speakers. I am wanting to know, basically, what the differences are in how my amplifier (my receiver) work with the two different configurations.

Thanks for the replies, guys. Just to answer your question, I did remove the brass plates at the speaker terminals. Gil, Sorry if I didn't explain this too well. I have a Pioneer VSX-43TX receiver. It has 5 outputs on the A side, for the regular 5.1 setup. The receiver is also capable of THX 7.1. So the B side has a L and R out for the "surround back" speakers for that, if you want. I am also a technician, but I am not an audio technician. In fact, I had the most difficult time with transistors and amplifiers in school ;-) Anyway, I am trying to figure out if there's any benefit to hooking this up one way or the other. I can get one set of bi-wire speaker cables. This has TWO terminals at the receiver end (black and red), then has FOUR terminals at the speaker end (red and black high; red and black low). I can use just one output of the receiver, and plug the bi-wire into both of the inputs of the speakers. Or, I can use two separate sets of regular speaker wires for the hook up. There are a few options I can choose from in the receiver settings for the B output. I can use it for the "surround back" speakers for the THX 7.1 field, or I can choose "Front bi-wire" where it sets the L and R out of the B side to send the same signal as the L and R out of the A side. So I have the L and R out of the A side hooked to the high in of both the left and right speakers, and the L and R out of the B side hooked up (through a totally separate set of speaker wires) to the low in of both the speakers. I am trying to apply what I know about electronics to this situation, and it is just baffling me! I believe that receivers either have separate amps, or at least separate amplified channels for each output. I would assume that using two separate outputs would be easier on the amplifier in my receiver, as opposed to using one output that just has the wires split to go into two connections at the speaker end. So I was just wondering if someone could sum this up for me, and let me know if there's ANY difference in the two connections, and what a benefit would be from each one. If I am not getting a benefit from using the two separate pairs of speaker wires then I'd rather go back to using the bi-wire cable (less wire, and less hassle!). Thanks again!

I still don't quite fully understand bi-wiring, so my question is about two different types of hookups, and what the advantages would be of each one. I originally just bought bi-wiring cable, and ran it out of one output. It has 4 terminals at the speaker end, one set for the low end, and another for the high. After thinking about it, and also talking with a friend of mine....I figured it might be more beneficial to hook up separate pairs of speaker wires from two different outputs of the receiver (using the "B" speaker outputs, and setting that output for front bi-wiring through the receiver). Originally, I thought that separating the terminals on the speakers would create two separate 16 ohm loads, as opposed to one 8 ohm load when both reds and blacks were shorted together.........thus, putting less stress on my amp. Obviously, it is far more complicated than that. Right now I have them setup the second way I listed, with two separate pairs of speaker wires. Although the one set of bi-wires actually has the low pair and high pair wrapped differently to pass the dedicated frequencies better, I still thought that running two separate outputs to the same tower would still be better than using one. It seems as though it sounded better with the one set of bi-wires though. Can someone explain to me the differences and benefits of each hookup, and in a way that I can understand it? Thanks!

I still don't quite fully understand bi-wiring, so my question is about two different types of hookups, and what the advantages would be of each one. I originally just bought bi-wiring cable, and ran it out of one output. It has 4 terminals at the speaker end, one set for the low end, and another for the high. After thinking about it, and also talking with a friend of mine....I figured it might be more beneficial to hook up separate pairs of speaker wires from two different outputs of the receiver (using the "B" speaker outputs, and setting that output for front bi-wiring through the receiver). Originally, I thought that separating the terminals on the speakers would create two separate 16 ohm loads, as opposed to one 8 ohm load when both reds and blacks were shorted together.........thus, putting less stress on my amp. Obviously, it is far more complicated than that. Right now I have them setup the second way I listed, with two separate pairs of speaker wires. Although the one set of bi-wires actually has the low pair and high pair wrapped differently to pass the dedicated frequencies better, I still thought that running two separate outputs to the same tower would still be better than using one. It seems as though it sounded better with the one set of bi-wires though. Can someone explain to me the differences and benefits of each hookup, and in a way that I can understand it? Thanks!

Serial numbers are KLF10BS0218 0315, and 0316.

Rage, I can't tell you about the HK receiver, but I JUST bought the same Pioneer Elite receiver you are looking at, yesterday in fact. The one thing I can tell you, is when I was in the sound room, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon was on, during a sword fight scene......and I listened to the Pioneer, as well as a $2500 Denon, and a high end Yamaha as well (I am sorry, I don't have the model numbers). The Pioneer absolutely blew the other two away, there wasn't even a comparison. The THX surround was incredible. I actually winced everytime that the swords clashed I then put a CD in, to see how they sounded in stereo.....and I must say the Yamaha sounded much better. One reason was that we couldn't figure out how to change the settings in the Pioneer (it was on tone bypass), and I believe the Yamaha had been setup for better sound through stereo already. I have now figured out how to configure the receiver at home, and the sound is superb in stereo with my CD player. Another thing I noticed, was we CRANKED the receiver in the sound room, and it NEVER distorted. The Yamaha sounded great, but distorted as we turned it way up. Again, I can't compare it to the HK, but I can tell you that it is a wonderful receiver.....and you can't beat it, for the price. Good luck.

Hello, I bought a set of KLF-10 speakers at Hi-Fi Buys a little over 3 months ago. I think they were a floor model that they were moving out (I was told they will no longer be selling Klipsch at that store) and were going for a very good price. I went ahead and bought them, and all I got were the speakers themselves. I know that the KLF were produced sometime between 1998-2001, but I have no information on the speakers I actually own. I was wondering if there was anyway I could find any production information or anything on the speakers I have, using the serial numbers? Thanks.