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---------------- On 3/7/2004 8:08:06 PM DeanG wrote: Well, if you look at it simply from the perspective of the conductance value of what's available -- copper is definitely better than gold. ---------------- Dean, Are the jumpers gold plated or brass? I thought that I read in the manuals they were brass jumpers. And yes copper does conduct better than gold, however gold won't corrode. John

I'm in camp No. 1 w/ speaker wire, and camp no. 2 w/ interconnects. Wire is wire, but I can see how the quality and durability of the terminals on the interconnects can make a difference. My wire runs are very similar to yours. When I upgraded my speakers I seriously considered upgrading from 16 ga. all around to 12 ga. for the surrounds because of the distances involved. I did some research and found that the difference would be ~0.5 dB, so I didn't bother. However, as someone else pointed out, there's not much price difference between 16 and 12 ga. and if I were starting from scratch I would run 12 just for the "warm and fuzzies". John

I have an Rx-25 setup (RB-25 mains, RC-25 center, and RS-25 surrounds) and love it. I heard a pretty significant difference in the 25s over the 15s, but not as much of a difference between the 35s and the 25s. I like the sound of the RB-25s for 2-channel music. I think they're crisp and clear with a large soundstage. I listened to some Paradigms before I bought my Klipsch and after. The first set was bookshelves that were about $300 more than the 25s and they had a nice sound. Very mellow, neutral speakers. Then I listened to some floorstanding 'digms in a better setup and I noticed that they didn't have the large soundstage like Klipsch does. Bottom line is this: If you like the sound of Klipsch speakers, I think you will be quite happy w/ the 25s. I know what you're going thru though with regards to demoing, but your are the only ones that really matter here. You need to demo as much as you can. You never know what you might find that you like. John

Skid, How far do you think the Z1 will drop? If that happens, that would be VERY tempting. John

The receiver I'll be replacing is a JVC. I really like the sound and features of it, but it has the random "center channel dropout" issue. (The center channel w/ dropout during 5.1 playback.) It happens fairly rarely and will have to reproduced to be fixed and I don't want to be w/o the system for an extended period of time, so I've never messed w/ getting it fixed. (Also, it first did it about 45 days AFTER the warranty expired, so putting money into it is something else I don't want to do.) John- Whose real reason for not getting it fixed is that it convinced the wife we need to upgrade.

---------------- On 3/3/2004 2:42:26 PM avman wrote: if you have rf-7's set at 80Hz, you might as well have gotten rb-75's... avman. ---------------- That can be debated. Remember when setting cross-overs that they aren't brick walls, but slopes. Therefore, various settings need to be experimented with. Generally, the settings to try range from the bottom of the main speakers' range to an octave above that. This will allow a smoother tranisition from the mains to the sub. Not saying one method is always right, just trying to point out why it's important to "tweak". John

In the world of high end RPTVs Pioneer Elites and Mits Diamonds tend to get the most votes. If I were to start looking today, I would be favoring the Mits. John

Thanks for all the great replies! I was out of town last night. (Went to Fayetteville to watch the Hogs give away a basketball game to 'Bama.) I talked w/ an owner at the new store in my town and he says they're going to start stocking the higher end Yammies. (Right now they've got the HTR series only.) He said they may also start carrying Denon, but Denon's insisting that he stock the 5803. He's having a hard time justifying tying up that kind of money w/ a receiver in a town of ~35k people. Can't really blame him. They can also get HK. I've got mixed emotions about HK. I've gotten the impression that they're in the same league as the HTR Yammies, or Sony (not nec. the ES), or other general mass market receivers. I'm looking for something a little "higher on the food chain" this time. Any thoughts on this. John

Did you notice a difference in the sound quality of the higher end Yammies vs. the lower end stuff? Just curious because to me the Z1 sounded MUCH smoother than the lower grade ones I'd previously heard. John

I listened to my first "high end" Klipsch/Yamaha combo today. Previously I'd only heard the combos at BB. Therefore, it was the lower end Yammies w/ the Synergy in very poorly setup listening areas. I didn't really care for the sound all that much. Since I was a Quintet owner at the time, I assumed it was the receiver I didn't like. As a result I had not been looking at Yamahas too much in my search for a receiver. Today I hear a Z1 paired w/ an Rx-5 system. It sounded really good. I didn't get a chance to listen very long, or at very high volumes. The jazz we listened to was very nice and detailed w/o being shrill. I've been wanting to consider Yamaha to go w/ my Rx-25s and now feel comfortable that I can. If any owners of similar systems would give feedback I sure would appreciate it. Again, I didn't get a chance to do a full "review" and the receiver is above the pricepoint I'm looking at (I'm looking at the 1400 or 2400), but I definitely have interest in the combo now. John

I've got a completely different type of scene that I feel shows off the detail possible w/ Klipsch speakers. It's the scene in The Bourne Identity where he's outside the embassy on the fire escape. The environmental sounds (wind, birds,etc.) really put you there. $0.02, John

I'm curious about this myself. It sounds more like a review of Milk of Magnesia than a piece of audio gear. Where did you read this? John

---------------- On 2/26/2004 4:44:55 PM xtb21 wrote: I'm gonna buy a new system. Would like some imput on this. I'm sold on klipsch. Should I go with rb 25, rc 25 and rs 25 with a rsw 10 or go with rb 35 and rc 35 and will rs 25 go with them and a rw 10 sub. Was wondering whether to up grade speakers and stay with rw 10 or upgrade sub to rsw 10 Thanks ---------------- When I auditioned for my new speakers, I heard a much more distinct difference between the RB-15s and the RB-25s than the RB-25s and the RB-35s. I didn't even hesitate to buy the 25s. Given the options above, I would go for 25s w/ the beefier sub. Now here's another option. You're looking at $2,080 MSRP w/ the Rx-25s and the RSW-10. You could do the RS-35s ($600), an RC-35 ($400), RS-25s ($400), and an SVS 20-39 PCi ($599 + S/H). That should be VERY close to the other budget of $2,080 (it comes to $1,999 w/o s/h for the SVS.) Bascically, I feel you can get a better than the RSW-10 for less money. (The RSW-10 has an MSRP of $1,000.) I used MSRPs to try and compare apples to apples. If you can "steel" the RSW-10, you not be looking to spending as much as I've assumed. However, it's ~$650 at the one place I checked online. I bet the SVS will beat it. $0.02, John

I think the "Next Big Thing" is going to be the Premier Series. Do a search for CES and you should be able to find some pics. They are gorgeous! I don't know any dates though. John

Got the PM, thanks. I've already upgraded my surrounds to RS-25. They sound REALLY good! John

Yea, I gotta know which SVS that is. I'm considering one down the road, but that tall SOB (as she would put it) ain't gonna fly. Also, I don't see the link in the first post either. John

---------------- On 2/24/2004 10:58:30 PM ccsakura wrote: ---------------- You think of the ref series boost up the volume just because they have higher sensitivity......... quintet has only 88db @1W 1meter. All the ref are 93+db/1W 1meter, that means it's 50%+ higher volume even you replace them as ref 15 ---------------- CC, Yep, that's what I was assuming the reason was. I still was amazed that they sounded as good as they did w/ the RB/C-25s. Heck I was amazed the first time I ever hooked them up though. Hijack alert: CC, how do you like your Pioneer Elite? I'm going to be getting a new receiver sometime in the not-too-distant future. I'm leaning towards the 3803, but the Elite line is another I'm considering. You're one of the few I know of that has one. Pros/cons would be appreciated. (You may want to PM me so we don't totally hijack this thread.) Thanks, John

---------------- Also, going with the Klipsch will give you much more upgradability options. For example, if you decide to go up to bookshelf or even full tower speakers. You could keep some of the Quintets to pull surround duty as well as keep the sub. Likewise, if you decide you want to move up to a larger or better sub, but stay with the satellite speakers, you can easily do that with the Quintents. You cannot do that with the Bose. If you decide to upgrade in the future, you'll have to get a whole new system with the Bose. ---------------- That is absolutely right. When I upgraded from Quintets to my Rx-25s, I upgraded the mains and center first. That left the Quintets pulling duty as surrounds. I was VERY surprised at how well they did. I had to bump them up a few dBs to keep up w/ the reference speakers, but I really thought that they would sound out of place w/ respect to timbre. Like I said I was impressed. Be sure and listen to various receivers w/ the Klipsch. I know it may be kind of hard since BB is going to be the main supplier of the Quintets. I am one of the ones who personally doesn't like the Klipsch/Yamaha combo because of the brightness. It's kind of a shame to because Yamaha makes some very nice receivers w/ great features. However, Denon also makes some very nice receivers and they sound great w/ Klipsch. I'll also throw out my JVC recommendation again. I've been quite pleased w/ the sound and features of mine. The 8030 is a pretty nice unit for $250. John

Quintets, definitely Quintets. Would you be interested in a set of mint condition used Quintets? I just upgraded to the reference series. If you're interested PM me and maybe we can works something out. As for receivers, look into the Denon 1604. Another receiver that I like for good bang/buck (and I think sounds very good w/ Klipsch) is the JVC 8030. John

Thanks for the info. I'm going to try the sub out sometime this week. I've an electrical "fish tape" to use to run the wire so that may help. I may have to take you up on that 30' wire. John

Remember a little while back we were talking about running my LFE cable under my carpet? Do you have a cable that would very easy to do this w/? In other words one that wouldn't snag easily and may even be a little smaller in diameter than normal. Any info will be appreciated. John

Some 12-14 ga. wire should be fine. The "generic" wire you can get from www.partsexpress.com should be just fine. John

---------------- On 2/21/2004 7:05:07 PM Gary W. Graley wrote: There's a little town called Hope you might want to visit... G2 ---------------- Yea, I know. Klipsch used to have a factory in Hot Springs about a mile from my house!! That's back when I wasn't into this hobby, though. I don't know if that was good or bad. John

Taurus, I think you're exactly right. The higher frequencies probably were bouncing off the walls in there. This would make it very difficult to properly evaluate a system at any raised volume level. John

Soundstage is the "image" created by stereo speakers. When listening to well recorded stereo music, you should be able to "locate" various part of the music on the soundstage. For example, on my system, when I play Norah Jones' music it sounds like her singing is coming out of the center channel speaker, even though it's not on. You can also hear the placement of different instruments etc. The Paradigms I listened to didn't seem to me to fill in the center of the soundstage. That is to say that the voices seemed to be coming out of the left and right speakers. On my system at home the sound doesn't seem to come from the speakers, but instead where it was positioned during the recording. Of course some CDs, aren't recorded as well as others. That's the main reason I asked the question. I wasn't familiar w/ the CD the guy was playing (I believe it was Blue's Traveler) and it could have been an issue with the CD. But I still feel the voices were too localized to the speakers, instead of being present in the center of the soundstage. As for the sub, if you like it stay w/ it. I'm not sure which sub you have, but the Paradigm sub they were using sounded pretty good. Since I was only interested in the tower demo, I didn't pay a lot of attention to the sub, or demo any movies to test the sub either. John