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Travis, those 60th anniversary K's are stunning, and I can't imagine you regretting it except maybe for the outlay.[Or better yet, get those 60th anniversary Khorns that are so pretty, or even better than that get yourself a pair of JUBS. YOU DESERVE IT with all the [bs] you put up with from your clients.
This thought has been resonating with me for the last couple of days. I just sent Trey an email about it. Thanks a lot for getting me off track[
]] As beautiful as the pics of them were from Hope last year, they look even better in person. A fitting successor to your previous models, and hopefully your sills won't need more work.Larry
As per usual, I got a speedy reply from Trey. He said my 60th Anniv. Khorns are ready anytime for me, just bring a truck and a trailer . . . the truck to load them in the and trailer to bring the cash in. (JK, he didn't really say that). What he did say is that the 60th Aniv Ed., while sealed, are not "corner free" speakers. He said the sealed back eliminated the last fold of the horn that the corners use to make up, which allows you to toe them in and out a bit, but they still need something (I guess, he was talking in all kind of fancy technical terms) that resembles a corner. True to his technical/eng. nature he requested a "diagram" of the room so that he could make recommendations and suggestions as to the propriety of the intended applicaton. He is asking for a diagram from a lawyer, this is going to be interesting.
All kidding and sarcasm aside, I truly appreciate Trey taking the time to see if 60th Khorns might be a possibility for me.
Travis
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Craig,
Not trying to be glib but where else would you expect to find drugs "in a small town outside of Oscoda, Michigan" and how else would you expect these folks to entertain themselves? No...seriously.All us locals entertained ourselves just fine without drugs............. plenty to do besides get stones and drunk up in the north country. Besides the problems were on ALL MILITARY BASES large town or big town made little difference. Many small towns have military bases today and these problems are none existent for the most part. The 70's and early 80's were a very dark period for the US military from top to bottom just coming off the VN war and all.
Dang right, everyone I have ever met from Michigan could do 3 things really well: Drink, Hunt and Fish. Most could do all three at the same time.
Travis
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Thanks again for the birthday greetings.
I'm spending the rest of the week at my brother's place near Houston (he has 9 kids so my boys have a blast down here). Yesterday, we listened to his set up (Khorns and VRDs) for about 6 or 7 hours uninterrupted, which is something I rarely get to do at home. This sure beats working for a change!
Travis, I'm sure this thread will be long forgotten by the end of the week, but thanks anyway[
]. Trey, a Sunday burger sounds great, and I'm always up for hearing some good PWK stories!
Michael, I am really liking the D200, I won't use the word awesome, but it's the camera that finally convinced me to switch to digital, and I can use all my old lenses! I still like film, but these digital images are incredible.
David
Seadog,
If y'all swing by Austin on your way back please let me know, you are welcome to stop by for lunch, snack, cocktail, restroom, or a listen. We are a straight shot off of 35, easy on, easy off.
Travis
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Travis,
Interesting thread. Might I suggest that before you take the plunge you test out a Denon 103. Judging by your comments on the 501 Vs the 901 you might even prefer the 103 over the 501. Obviously - whilst I know you are not looking at prices - the 103 has definite appeal over the other options in this area.
I made this same suggestion to someone else on this forum - Josh I think, and from memory he actually prefered the 103 over the 901 which he had broken and was planning to send off to be fixed - for more money that the 103 cost.
As I repeat as nauseam on this forum it is not the cartridge itself that is so important - it is how well it matches with the arm on the table of choice. Sadly I have never played with a Vector arm so I cannot advise in this case - will be very interested to hear your feedback if you do test it.
Just a thought.
Max,
I wish I could try the Denon, ZXY, and the Transfiguration, but alas, my dealer does not carry them.
Travis
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Travis,
Have you tried the KSPs for 2-channel music? I've never lugged mine into the other room for a go.
I had forgotten that you also had KSP-400's. They actually sound pretty darn good, but they are a bit "bright" for my tastes on 2 channel. They do have a nice center image, good soundstage. I will know more if I don't have replacements for Khorns cause that is all I will have running.
Travis
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Travis,
I sent you an email. Did you receive it?
I am not sure, what was in the subject line? My spam program may have eaten it.
I will send you one and you can reply, maybe it will get to me that way.
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Bad things happen to good speakers
JB,
That's it? Bad things happen to good speakers? I am supposed to carry on, live life, and not look back because bad things happen to good speakers. That just isn't good enough, I need to know why, there has to be some reason, some way to fit this in the grand scheme of things. Oh the humanity.
Travis
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Here is a photo with the Shelter 501 on the Vector 3 tonearm.
Well enough of the photos, as to the cartridges, here are my thoughts. The first night was the Shelter 501 ($850), Shelter 901 (1,500) and Benz Ace (550). The prices were really not relevant to me in the sense that I didnt really think I would be able to tell the differences between these cartridges with my hearing issues. I really thought that the Benz would sound as good as the others and this would be simple. Was I ever wrong, however, I decided early on that I was not going to fall into the "more is better" trap. I have only included the prices as a reference.
First, this was the first time I really got to see how the Vector tonearm performed, and it was absolutely incredible. (Thanks Gary and Larry). Brian said he has not found a cartridge yet that will not track good on a Vector, and now I can see why. It takes a bit to get it set up, but when he has it dialed in you can just see how well the stylus wants to ride in the grove. I cannot recommend this tonearm highly enough.
We started with the 501 and it really knocked my socks off from the get go. Great detail, bass was solid, and it really brought out the midrange, much more then what I was used to.
Then we heard the Benz Ace, a great sounding cartridge, one I would probably be very satisfied with if I hadnt heard the others, but isnt that the way it always goes. We did not spend much time with that cartridge since I had already kind of made the 501 the baseline.
Then the 901 went on. We spent a great deal of time with this cartridge. It made lps I was very, very familiar with sound new for the first time. It is extremely detailed, more on this in a minute, it had better high end definition then the 501. To my ears the 501 and 901 had about the same bass definition, the 501 possibly a tad more, but the 901 was a tad clearer in the high end. This "clearer" in the high end for my ears was a bit harsh. Symbols were clearer, where the drum stick was striking the cymbal edge was more discernable with the 901.
As we listened to more lps I began to notice that I was not really caring from some recordings, you could tell, I am not kidding, how a singer mouth was positioned relative to the microphone. This was true with recordings that you knew were done in one room with a few mikes set up. You could tell when a singer turned to look over at someone else.
For my ears it was TMI, too much information. The 901 was so detailed, so accurate, whatever the word is, that on some recordings it was a distraction. Case in point: Supertramp Crime of the Century, MFSL recording. This has always, in my mind, been a great pressing; to me it is better then the original. On the track School, after the first verse, Roger Hodgson strums his guitar slowly twice, then starts to dig into some deeper notes and you can clearly hear the pick or his fingernail, as the case may be, drag across the pickup. This "irregularity" was brought to the forefront by the 901. I have heard that song no less then 100 times and I have never heard it before. It was so abrupt I looked over at the turntable to see if something fell, or if Jack knocked somehow got up there and was up to no good. I asked Brian if he had ever heard that before and he said he hadnt, in all the times he heard the song as well. We played it again and determined it was clearly the pick dragging across the pickups.
During the same intro of school there is that solo harmonica that is joined by the others. With the 901 you could really hear the extreme modulation that Rick Davies (?) plays through that harp. I prefer the 901 in the ability to pick up the detail of that modulation, but it picked up so much detail it was distracting to the music. I asked Brian to put the 501 back on which he did. You can hear the pick/pickup collision but it is not at the forefront of the music, you hear it but it is not in your face. Likewise you get a good sense of modulation in the harmonica, but not the depth you get with the 901. Brian explained this was the trade off between those two cartridges.
To get things set up and the three cartridges a fair listening chance took about 3 hours. Brian asked me which cartridge he would like me to leave to listen to before Round 2, and I wanted him to leave the 501 on.
More on Round 2 later, which were the Koetsu Black, Shelter 90X, and Benz wood-body.
Travis
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After Brian had the major adjustments done we put the unit back on the wall mount, where he finished making all of his adjustment, turntable level, etc.
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Here is Brian from Sound Mind Audion doing the initial set up. We have taken the turntable off of the wall mount so he can get at things better. He got all of the adjustments on the Vector tonearm the way he wanted in and here he has intalled the Shelter 901 and is getting the tracking force close to where he wants it to be on his Wins stylus weight scale.
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No the Last Record Preservative goes on after the record is cleaned. Supposed to do a whole bunch of thing, including minmize record wear and stylus wear. Some folks swear by it, others say it alters the playback.
Very expensive, I think 40 for on oz (god I sound like my clients), but it only takes a few drops per lp.
Travis
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Thanks everyone for the birthday well wishes! dtel has my age exactly correct (Not! [:'(])
My 6-year-old son told me this morning, "Dad, in three more years, you'll be 50!" (Thanks, kid [8o|])
One consolation is that the pre-amp that I use daily is older than me! I think a few more 47th's are coming up (not to mention any names Gary, Rick, Craig, Tom).
David
Seadog,
Happy Birthday!!! Sorry I missed it yesterday, but we can just keep going with it all week.
Travis
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I would be interested in the 6DJ8's if there are any from Amperex, and or Tung Sol.
Jay
Ditto for me on that.
Traivs
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He does have it, Mike.
Buck, keep it singing for as long as you can, bud. If you have any issues, give us a shout, and we can help you out. I messed up when I made the road trip, so I'll dig a meter up in the basement, and send the meter and case out to you in a week or so.
While you were playing with your "new" Scott, Colleen and Liam flew up to Chitown, and we did the zoo/Frank Lloyd Wright house/best friend tour here. I'm tired.[
]OB,
Glad you and that Scott are warming up to each other. I got excited for you just reading your posts, heck you were not even grumppy at all. I hope this does not soften you up too much, we still need our No. 1 butt kicker around here. To those who got this set up, and followed through to compleation [Y][Y][Y]
Now that you have discovered the center channel, you will have to hunt yourself down a third H2 to stick in there. I bet Speaker Fritz has 4 or 5 laying around somewhere, or you could get his LS's and use a H2 for a center[
] I think your music selection is absolutely the best. You better hope I don't ever end up in your neck of the woods because I will be a poundin' on your door to check out some tunes.
I hope you continue to get a great sense of pleasure from your Scott.
Travis
Travis - The center output on a 299 (a and
is unpowered which is why a powered sub like the RSW-12 I sometimes use with my 299b works so well. To add another heresy, you'd need to run another amp to the center out RCA jack. The 299C and D have powered center ouputs which allow a derrived center channel with no additional amp.OB - Glad you're enjoying the Scott. It was my first tube amp also and I still use it with my Cornwalls. The sound is flat out stunning.
I never owned a Scott, and that makes sense that it would be unpowered. Now, back then, what would have been the purpose of having an unpowered center channel? I have read posts on here, and elsewhere, there was a move afoot to go from stereo to 3 channel, studios were recording in 3 channel, etc. What was the purpose of this feature?
Travis
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each play will degrade the recording no matter how little until there may come a time that the music is not all there.
I think that's BS. Maybe in theory it's true but I have some LPs that have been played 100 times and still sound as good as the day I brought them home..........used in many cases! I suppose if they're played a million times they'll eventually wear out. I'd probably be sick of it by then anyway.[
]If an LP is well cared for and your table is properly set up and you clean your stylus on a regular basis, an album should last a VERY long time. It's not like a tootsie pop.[
] (As an Old Timer, I assume you remember that commercial?)Gary,
Are you using, or have you used, Last Record Preservative? (This is a serious question)
Travis
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each play will degrade the recording no matter how little until there may come a time that the music is not all there.
I think that's BS. Maybe in theory it's true but I have some LPs that have been played 100 times and still sound as good as the day I brought them home..........used in many cases! I suppose if they're played a million times they'll eventually wear out. I'd probably be sick of it by then anyway.[
]If an LP is well cared for and your table is properly set up and you clean your stylus on a regular basis, an album should last a VERY long time. It's not like a tootsie pop.[
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Just wondering if others notice a difference and have thoughts on why...
The adjustments, matching of parts, cleaning, balancing, aligning, and listening - active listening to hear if it is set up well and performing right... with CDs its the convenience of precise reproduction - with records there is more active involvement assessing the production aspect. Anyone feel this or am I just losing it on a rainy Wednesday (too much thunder to hear my SETs)?
Pauln,
Naw you aint losing it. But I will say this, you would fit in perfect with us R2R guys. Not only can you feel the tension from wondering if the vinyl is all the way up to par, you can also fret about whether you are getting the upmost recording quality. On top of that, you can replay the tape and re-live the experience all over again. I have a real cherry Rt-1011 that I would make you one heck of a deal on.[
]Travis
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Just found this on Audiogon. This is why I refuse to have floor-standers shipped (my Academy was shipped to me by Fastlane and arrived safe and sound):
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1178211312
Are these the ones that William just sold that I missed out on by one day? I am going to puke.
Travis
Or better yet, get those 60th anniversary Khorns that are so pretty, or even better than that get yourself a pair of JUBS. YOU DESERVE IT with all the [bs] you put up with from your clients.
This thought has been resonating with me for the last couple of days. I just sent Trey an email about it. Thanks a lot for getting me off track[
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I was talking to a tube the other day and she told me Lisa was a real PITA [
] That's funny, I was sitting in a bar the other day and in walked a penguin, a frog and a duck . . . and the penguin said the same thing about her.[
] The duck said only SET for him and the frog was SS. We started talking about the atributes of vinyl vs. CD but the penguin got em all thrown out before we got that far.Travis
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I am on the same hunt as you right now, I just sold my Khorns and am looking to replace them with Cornwalls.
Can I ask why you did this? Did I miss something?
Mike
Mike,
It has been the topic of discussion in my "WTB Cornwalls" thread located here http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/thread/884101.aspx
Mark asked the same question, and I tried to explain with a photo that it is more a function of the room, HT is on short wall, 2 channel is on long wall, this requires the movement of furniture and one KSP-400 HT speaker to go from one to the other.
I was just thinking though, the 60th Anniv. Ed Khorns have sealed backs that, essentially, act as a false corner? If they do not require a false corner, and depending on the the size (there is an issue about the size interfering with the entryway) I might be able to go with those. So I am going to continue with the CW possibility but if 60th Khorns will work with their sealed backs I might start trying to beg borrow or STEAL a pair from Klipsch somehow some way.
Travis
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Wow, here is 1000 posts, and it is to toot my own horn[D][^][<
)][<)] GET IT, TOOT, HORN ? ? ? (Who looks at that post count anyway? Obviously I do). So here is a photo of some folks facing the long wall. Towards the the back right, where the two gentlemen are standing, is that alcove area that I mentioned where people enter the room. The right speaker would be going under that sconse light to the left of the picture hanging on the wall. There is no corner there, obviously, and if I did a false wall it would leave too narrow a path (at least per my wife's tastes) for people to enter the room. The exact center of the listening area for the long wall is under the sconse light where the gentlemen in the aqua blue shirt is sitting (with hand up to mouth) Those are electric recline leather theater seats that I have moved up facing the long wall. When it came time to watch a movie, I would have to move those chairs 90 degrees clockwise, centered on the short wall.
So that there is the situation, I have heard suggestions from everything from putting the chairs on tracks that they can slide from one position to the other (good god) to getting an L sectional that went bothways. However, about the only suggestion I got from guys who were married and knew the realities of having to get something at least half way acceptable to No. 1 was: get rid of the Khorns and try Cornwalls up front or Reference Series.
Travis
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Travis--
I may have missed it from some other thread, but why are you going fmor Khorn to Cornwall?
Mark,
It was easy to miss, kind of obscure from a couple of different posts. Nervertheless an excellent question if you did not know the whole story. My media room is 22 by 16 with an alcove entrance. The home theater screen is on the short wall. There is only one useful corner on left side of the screen, and I cannot do a false corner on the right because it would extend too far into the alcove area where you walk into the room. That left the long wall for the corners. I just got tired of moving the furniture from being oriented towards the long wall for 2 channel and the short wall for HT. The HT speakers are KSP 400's, matching center and rear surrounds, so I would also have to move the left KSP 400 in front of the Khorn to listen to HT, and then move it out of the way for 2 Channel. So the Khorns go and the hunt for a single set of fronts, to be used for both 2 channel and HT is on. I am going to go with Cornwalls first and see if they will do for my tastes, I could also probably put in a pair of RF-7's up front at the same time to try just for giggles.
If I like the CW's then I will go get rid of the KSP's and go with matching rear CW's. I originally had LS's up front, sold them when I got the Khorns. I knew when I bought the Khorns that I would not be keeping them. It just was not goling to work with my room layout. I bought them because I was having a Klipsch gathering at my house and they happend to come up for sale 2 weeks before right here in Austin so I went ahead and bought them for the Gathering and then knew that I would sell them at some point when I got tired of moving furniture. I think I have a photo of folks listening to them at the gathering which I will post, it might show the HT screen in the background so you will have a better idea.
So to answer your question, I'M TIRED OF MOVING FURNITURE. To answer the question that is "between the lines": The reason I am moving down the spectrum is purely one of logistics. Am I afraid that I will not be satisfied with the sound of the CW's after having had Khorns for the last 10 months? Absolutely. I am scared it is going to put me off into a different direction entirely, so I am keeping my fingers crossed.
Travis
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He does have it, Mike.
Buck, keep it singing for as long as you can, bud. If you have any issues, give us a shout, and we can help you out. I messed up when I made the road trip, so I'll dig a meter up in the basement, and send the meter and case out to you in a week or so.
While you were playing with your "new" Scott, Colleen and Liam flew up to Chitown, and we did the zoo/Frank Lloyd Wright house/best friend tour here. I'm tired.[
]OB,
Glad you and that Scott are warming up to each other. I got excited for you just reading your posts, heck you were not even grumppy at all. I hope this does not soften you up too much, we still need our No. 1 butt kicker around here. To those who got this set up, and followed through to compleation [Y][Y][Y]
Now that you have discovered the center channel, you will have to hunt yourself down a third H2 to stick in there. I bet Speaker Fritz has 4 or 5 laying around somewhere, or you could get his LS's and use a H2 for a center[
] I think your music selection is absolutely the best. You better hope I don't ever end up in your neck of the woods because I will be a poundin' on your door to check out some tunes.
I hope you continue to get a great sense of pleasure from your Scott.
Travis
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Got an email from the seller of the CWIII's, he relisted them because of a fradulent buyer. The new listing number is 220091687915 and the link is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&viewitem=&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26satitle%3D220091687915%26fvi%3D1&item=220091687915&rd=1
They are listed with a starting price of $2,000 and a buy it now of $2,600. It is a 21 hour drive (EACH WAY) for me to get these and Gilbert is only an 8 hour drive for me, so I am going to officialy bow out of this deal. BS Button, you can jump in the fray with all of the other Ebayer's on this one. I think if you offered him 2400 right away he would take it and cancel the auction, at least that is what he was willing to do for me. The whole thing initially made me ill, they were an hour away, undamaged, and offered on the forum before Audiogon for 2500. The one time I am away from the forum for a couple of days is when he listed them on the forum. Isaw then on Audiogon, mentioned them here and someone pointed out that they had been listed here. So I lost out.
But everything happens for a reason, and now I have a great offer from Gilbert, only an 8 hour drive, if I really like them I can move those to the rear and purchase brand new CW3's, maybe even cruise over to do some gambling in MS and then swing over the Dtels for a listen before making a final decision.
So I have found my CW's, at least my first pair, and you all can have at these CWIII's.
Travis
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] As beautiful as the pics of them were from Hope last year, they look even better in person. A fitting successor to your previous models, and hopefully your sills won't need more work.
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is unpowered which is why a powered sub like the RSW-12 I sometimes use with my 299b works so well. To add another heresy, you'd need to run another amp to the center out RCA jack. The 299C and D have powered center ouputs which allow a derrived center channel with no additional amp.
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Shinerman,
You are going to be tossing those subs when you get those Khorns into position. Maybe you can use em for planters or something?[
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Travis