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No, no, it's all cool. I am just a cheap SOB and live at home while I go to college.
Nothing to feel bad about. I'm sure your parent are happy to have you still around...
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On 11/13/2004 10:04:35 AM Chris Robinson wrote:Ken, I'm assuming that when you say "bedroom", it is a spare bedroom that will be a dedicated HT space.
Chris, unless I'm mistaken, Ken is younger than most of us and lives with his parents. This is actually his room. Is that right Ken?
He's getting a head start on most people his age! Good stuff!
When I was about 17 and living at my parents, I started a mobile disco service for fun and profit. Not a big deal, maybe a dozen gigs a year for 2 or 3 years unless real life caught up. After the first gig spending all the profit renting out a Bose 301 system, a cousin of mine heard about what I was up to and sold me his La Scala's which were sitting in his basement (low WAF for him!). Paid C$800 for the pair! Well, 25 years later I still have those speaker and they are the heart of my audio/HT setup!
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Q-Man,
The two speakers would be upright and side-by-side, over the TV (no room under it since it has an integrated stand).
JM,
I really like your center design. I guess I need something like that. The top part would be perfect over my TV. Did you use a standard La Scala crossover to do it? I can see the cost getting prohibitive rather quickly unless you started with an old La Scala to get the parts...
So the La Scala on its side isn't okay (which I agree to), but all your sideways Heresys are okay?
Does the Heresy have wider up/down dispersion, translating to wider horizontal dispersion when on their side?
Also, a friend of mine sent me this link which also discourages using two speakers:
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/roomacoustics/loudspeakerplacement.php
Lastly, is to determine when 2 center channels are warranted. Many peoplelike the idea of 2 center channels because there is a lot of sound comingfrom the center channel, and 2 channels can handle that better than one. Itis estimated that the average movie soundtrack has 60% or more of the sounddirected at the center channel. Also, many people with projections screenTVs do not like the notion of sound coming from above or below the screen,and therefore try a speaker above and below. All of this may seem well andgood, but in most cases 2 center channels are more problematic than theyare worth. Typically you wind up with interfering wave patterns between thetwo speakers that cause areas where certain frequencies are cancelled outand other areas where they are doubled. If this seems difficult tounderstand imagine dropping a pebble in a pool of still water. The ripplesradiate from where the pebble entered the water. Now drop a second pebblein the water in a different location, and you can see how the two rippleeffects interfere with each other. This is similar to what happens with twocenter channels. It is not a problem with stereo channels, because theirsignals are different and designed to function in a stereo mode. But withtwo center channels the signal is the same and thus the interferencepattern. In general we recommend avoiding 2 channels, and rather than buy 2center channels, and the necessary amplifiers, buy one better centerchannel.Thanks guy! Get it going! Anyone on the pro side?
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Thanks guys. EBay is looking better then...
Does anyone know, if I buy used speakers from the US, will I pay the shipper taxes (GST + PST) when it arrives at my door? I know I would for new gear, but I was wondering if buying used made a difference. That would make buying used within the country 15% more appealing if I paid taxes on US goods!
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Does anyone know what the price is for a single new Heresy?
When I type in my postal code into the Klipsch dealer finder, I get no hits.
Whe I type it a postal for Quebec City, I get two, one of which is 30 miles away and the other 70 miles away. I called the first; no answer. I called the second and they didn't know what a Heresy was (They said the sold the Klipsch "big line", the Reference). Depressing.
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A single would work just fine.
So you think one is enough? Or that two leads to trouble?
There's a 7 dB difference... It's manageable, but it's on the edge.
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Hi,
As many of you know, I'm on a quest to find a good center for my La Scala's.
In the "KG4 as center for La Scala?" thread, Frzninvt suggested a sideways La Scala (a setup he uses). I posted a picture of what it would look like over my TV in that thread. I tried lying one of my mains on its side and listenned to a 5.1 movie. The sound was great when seated in the middle, but not so hot when seated on the side: less high frequency, and a feeling that sound was coming from a loudspeaker instead of being transparent. I'm guessing my seating is closer to the front speakers than Frzninvt's and the angle gets bigger.
The ideal would be a single vertical Cornwall, mounted horizontally. I'm not likely to find that anytime soon!
I think a good compromise is to use a pair of black Heresy's. The 97 dB efficiency goes up to 100 or 103 when you double them (depends on whether it's just a doubling of power or if the doubled area goes into it as well) so it is easily matched to 104 dB. The impedence in parallel is 4 ohms, which is still okay. I've read that someone on this forum uses a pair of speakers and likes it, and another saying that it muddies the sound because of the phase interference of two closely spaced point sources. I'm sorry, but I never kept those threads and can't find them again.
Any others with opinions on this? Would a pair of Heresy's work? Or should I just buy one (perhaps brand new for close to the same price?)
Thanks!
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As far as the LaScala goes, all I can personally tell you is that they're the ugliest loudspeaker I've ever seen. Nothing personal of course.
No, that would be the Cornwall. Nothing to look at but a big grill! I think the La Scala look great! They look loud even when not in use and have an interesting geometry to look at.
Whatever floats your boat I guess!
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Rob,
Adding a Hsu STF-3 to my La Scala's sounded out teh sound very well!
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Great post Colin! I disagree with you about combining a sub with the La Scala's, but aside from that...
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----------------On 11/12/2004 3:32:30 AM doudou wrote:----------------On 11/10/2004 11:27:45 AM psg wrote:Why? I'd rather leave the mains at 0dB and adjust the others. I don't want to increase the noise floor on the La Scala's. But as long as I don't overdrive the speaker with the highest +Xdb offset, I should be okay, right?----------------if you set your mains at +3db for exemple, your amp will have to feed the speakers with twice the power of the 0db level, if you set the mains at +6db the amp will have to produce 4 times more power, +9db become 8 time pore power...so if you need 10w for the center channel for example your amp will have to feed your mains with more than 80w if you set the main level at +10dB!!!!even if your amp doesn t clip, it will have more distortion than if you drive it at a lower level.----------------
Salut Doudou,
I'm quite familiar with the dB scale, thanks. But you were implying it's better to adjust down than up. Is there a reason for that?
Currently, the mains are at 0dB, the rears are at +2 dB and the center is at +8dB. The only ones fed by the receiver's amplifier are the mains. The rear are in a separate power amplifier and the center is the TV. I never watch a movie above -20 dB, and only rarely above -25dB.
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----------------On 11/12/2004 4:24:24 AM doudou wrote:----------------On 11/11/2004 10:22:45 AM marksdad wrote:from synergy to 35's, is a large step, 1 that you will be comfortable with for a long time, and doudou, way to litteral kinda go too far to make a point wouldnt you----------------sorry but i don t undesrtand...don t forget english isn t my mother s tong----------------
I didn't understand either, so...
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On 11/12/2004 4:15:14 AM doudou wrote:psg, if a halfof your basment is not finished, you can finish it and make one only room for your gear, so your room will be large enough for klipschorns, the lascalas will become center and surrounds.there is just one lascala and some work to do missing
1- There's a load-bearing wall down the middle, as well as a staircase.
2- It would mean a massive amount of work.
3- Where would I store all my stuff?
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If they can be either 2004 or 1992, then they are either 1992 or stolen since the seller said he has had them for years.
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----------------On 11/12/2004 9:42:42 AM garymd wrote:----------------On 11/11/2004 10:47:39 PM TBrennan wrote:I've owned both LSs and CWs and prefer the CWs. The LSs have a bass-shy sound but the CWs sound robust and fullbodied. The bass-shy tonal balance of the LSs gives me earwire; a sensation as though a wire was being twisted in my ears. I now find LSs to be quite obnoxious speakers though I did enjoy the ones I owned back in the 1970s; they did get VERY loud afterall.----------------If the lascalas are earbleeders, then wouldn't khorns be also since they share the same tweeter/squaker? Will the additional bass of the khorns offset that horrible midrange screech of the lascalas. The upper end of my khorns are actaully much smoother than that of my corns. Considerably less harsh (although I don't think either are actually harsh). Am I wrong?----------------
I wondered the same thing! Same crossover too!
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And again, here's the would-be room with a pair of Heresy's as center channel. Of course they would have to be black...
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Here's what it would look like in my room with a sideways La Scala as center. I tried putting one on its side and feeding it the center channel on a movie. On-axis, the sound is fantastic. But my couch is kinda close to the front array, and the sound is not as good when sitting on the side. There are less high frquencies, and you get more of a feeling of listening to a speaker instead of just hearing voices.
Not optimal... But great when seated closer to the middle!
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I love the access you have to the back of your components! I am currently thinking about building another wall so I can have a walk way behind ALL my components, as well as being able to frame in shelving, and cavities for the TV and the speakers. It would clean up my install immensely instead of just having everything just plopped down on the floor.
Thanks! It makes all the difference in the world. My basement is split down the middle, with half of it finished and the other half unfinished. The hole was already there in the load-bearing wall before I finished one half so I used it like that. Access is from the unfinished side so there's really no waisted space. Everything is at eye level and easy to get to. It's great!
Do you ever have problems with CD's/DVD's falling off of the wall? :-)No. Also the black CD/VHS/DVD racks on the front wall are slanted so they don't fall out.
Do you have rattle and buzz from the acoustic tiling? I have a suspended ceiling as well and the buzz is almost unbearable at times.
I had a few vibration sounds when I first had my sub, but a few nudges later everything was fine. No buss. I also put in 3 inches of acoustic fiber within the framing of the ceiling, so that helps to keep the sound downstairs.
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Todays is value is .84 cents CDN to $1 US I believe, it's a movin
I wish!
It's the reverse: 84 cents US is C$1 (The US dollar is worth more, but we all know what you meant. I'm just getting my post count up!)
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1- The avr-325 was reviewed in the June 2003 issue of "Home Theater" and the amplifier reached 0.1% distorsion at 135W and 1% distorsion at 157W.
into 4-ohms.
Sorry about the omission.
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----------------On 11/10/2004 11:18:42 PM amonteiro wrote:----------------On 11/10/2004 9:32:10 PM psg wrote:But, yes, all h/k receivers are high-current and will drive down to 4 ohms easily.----------------Will they drive 4 ohms easily? I have the HK 525 and am about to buy some 4 ohm speakers. I did some googling and no where have I found them claim anything about 4 ohms ratings. I even saw in a few places that people said don't use 4 ohm speakers. I wouldn't be surprised if they do, just checking though because that would make my life a lot easier.----------------
1- The avr-325 was reviewed in the June 2003 issue of "Home Theater" and the amplifier reached 0.1% distorsion at 135W and 1% distorsion at 157W.
2- The h/k receivers are listed at Future Shop is being 4-ohm capable.
3- A friend of mine has 4-ohm Magnat speakers and wasn't ahppy with the sound with his Onkyo receiver. He wondered because his receiver was specifically not rated for 4 ohms. We plugged in my avr-325 and what a difference it made. With the Onkyo, the sound was flat, no dynamics, no bass. With the h/k it was all the opposite.
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Here's mine, as seen from behind the couch. This is not HDTV, and there's no center speaker yet. The lower left image is the sub behind the couch and the left surround speaker (it's only a 5.1 setup). The lower right image is the access I have to my gear from another room, with the UHF-controlled Bell Expressvu PVR beneath it.
I sometimes use the TV speakers as center, and sometimes go phantom. The plan is to add either a pair of Heresy's in a shelf over the TV, or a horizontally-mounted vertical Cornwall, or a sideways La Scala.
This room is too small for Klipshorns instead of the La scala's, right? It's 11 feet wide and 30 feet deep.
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Seems pricey, but use the conversion to U.S. Dollars.Is there duty or customs fees for equipment bought on the site?
But I'm Canadian. :-)
Our dollar is stronger these days, around C$1.20 = US$1, so the prices are still high.
Don't know about duties... Are there any the other way around? Buying used speakers in the US and shipping them into Canada?
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The custom La Scala is below the screen? Wow... hat's what I need over my TV!
Using a pair of speakers as center (instead of only one)
in Home Theater
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Sounds like I need a vertical Cornwall!
BTW, I have a sub (Hsu STF-3). Helps a lot with the La Scala.