Jay L
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Unfortunately that woofer is not really repairable to a useful state. You need a very flexible sealant to even remotely attempt to fix it, I don't know one that exists. Almost nothing sticks to rubber.
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Yes they can be assigned and used as "height" Atmos channels as described in Dolby literature. I have not tested them in this manner. If you are having issues using them as standard Dolby enabled speakers, you should experiment with the placement. There is latitude in the position of them. They can be within a few feet, up down, left, right of the main speaker channels. I have heard them in multiple rooms, in different positions and they flat out work.
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Did you post this on AVS as well? I answered a similar question over there.
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Here is the volume displacement so maybe this will make up your mind.
R-115SW 27.06L
R-112SW 13.26L
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Any of the three will suite your needs quite well. Just pick one that has the features you want. Audyssey is cool, but Pioneer does really well too. I have no experience with Yamaha room correction. That said, I personally don't use any room correction built into an AVR.
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It was designed to have TVs sit on it. Go for it.
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This house is cleeahhr.
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The room will dominate any speaker put into it. That is why I had you do near field measurements. As crude as they were, it almost eliminates the room from the measurements. I think now becomes obvious based on how incredibly close the numbers were. Now I can rest easier that a pair of speakers didn't slip past our inspections. Glad I was able to help.
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Your room
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Well that means there is good news, and bad news. Your speakers are pefectly fine, your AVR seems perfectly fine, the bad news is you are dealing with Poltergeist, RUN!
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Well I thought you had already done that for the HF. It doesn't matter, just stick it 1/4" from the woofer cone and juice it.
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Now rinse and repeat the pink noise test using only the LF input and put the Mic on the upper woofer. Look for clipping as the bass energy will be quite loud as to what the Mic will pick up. Maybe drop the soundcard output 3db for good measure just because.
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now repeat the test while using pink noise but undo the straps and only go into the HF input. check the "slow" reading option
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Does that mean 40hz to 10.000hz?10-4, test the HF and post results
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No need for a sweep, just turn on the generator at 8kHz and read the spl meter. repeat the test with both speakers while only changing the speaker wire over to the other speaker.
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10-4, test the HF and post results
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OH, did not know that. Well that means you can't measure phase accurately. That doesn't matter for trying to solve your lopsided output problem. Everything else I have described for testing is good though. If you are doing a near field test and you can hear the tone in the next room then it is too loud. You should just barely hear it at the seating position.
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The hook up looks fine. Now test the tweeter like I described earlier. Use one channel only, either left or right for BOTH speakers. Also only use the left out on the soundcard. Your right out should loop back into the right input for a time constant.
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A pure sine tone on two speakers with 100mV difference is a non issue. Now repeat that test with pink noise. it will be bouncing around a bit so you may need to visually average it out if the meter can't do a peak hold reading.
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Oh, and if the meter can only read 40-100Hz then use a tone in the meat of the range like 70Hz. Using 100Hz the meter may be rolling off causing a really low voltage reading.
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what was the reading, and how loud did it seem in the room?
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Use an 8k tone and measure both horns at 1 inch from the throat. Use very little output from your soundcard or you will overdrive the microphone. This will show up in REW as a very flat response. The first easy check to do to rule out the AVR is use a 100hz tone and measure each terminal of the speaker. If you see more than .5V difference you found your problem. It is unlikely to find a solid 3dB difference in two speakers as this would not pass our manufacturing process.
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No I didn't design them, but I had an entire 7.2 Palladium at one time. Good stuff fo sho.
Did you design the Palladium surrounds? Oh my, those are silly nice sounding.I could pick any surround Klipsch makes and I use these.
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So are you basically saying if I use them as surrounds, I won't be hearing as much full-range surround sound vs using bookshelves as surrounds?
I'd listen to Jay and just go for it, he designed the things.
What he said
Really though, it will have as much bass as any other speaker of similar size. Trust me, I could pick any surround Klipsch makes and I use these. If they are the size you are looking for, and you like the looks I really doubt you will be disappointed.
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I have for sale a great beast of an AVR. This is the last generation of Onkyo to use Audyssey XT32 with all the best options at its time of release. The AVR is in excellent shape, and comes with all original components including factory box. HDMI board update performed by Onkyo in March of 2015. Has been in closet for several months. No the housing isn't bent on the back, the camera lens edge has a defect that does weird things.
Asking $450 shipped anywhere in the lower 48. Local pickup will have some wiggle room.
Modding Synergy's for upgrade
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Let me enlighten yuns on the Synergy/Icon/Reference.
SF1, SF2, SF3 etc.. Gen 1/2 Synergy
F2, F3, etc. Gen 3 Synergy, newer industrial design, new horns. new tweeter, new woofers.
Icon V line VF35. VF36 etc... (Absolutely nothing to do with Synergy line, no common parts)
Icon X line (nothing in common with Synergy)
Icon W line (nothing to do with Synergy)
F20, F30 etc. code name=Synergy III mkII, paint color change, new LTS aluminum tweeter on 1" models, new voicing, with new network designs
Icon line (evolution of the Synergy line) Completely new horn designs, tweaked woofers, (whole line only uses 1" LTS aluminum tweeter) new voicing, new network designs
Reference R-28F, R-24F etc.. code name=reference Base R-24F new addition to line up
Maybe that will be helpful to some.