Jeff Matthews
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3 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:
At some point they might be able to charge much higher premiums if unvaccinated. Right now that cost is spread across to everyone.
This was the topic discussed in an assignment I worked on back in the late 1980's college days.
Once an insurer can effectively identify a risk, should they be able to discriminate based on it? We have accepted discrimination based on age and some other factors. They are not allowed to require a person's genetic profile to predict future health risks. We're good with that. What's so "special" about refusing a vaccine?
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13 minutes ago, dwilawyer said:
Unfortunately, we don't have the stomach to do that in the US, so when there is a surge in a State or county because of non-vaccinated covid patients there are no beds for serious non-covid related illness or injuries. So the "fools", as you call them, continue to significantly impact everyone.
Right. There's no doubt at all about that.
Just imagine all those folks who foolishly live along fault lines in California. Once the big quake happens again (and it will), we should all remind those folks what a drag they are on the system.
What makes one fool's vice any better than the other's? What compels us to judge people in this way, and is it really fair? One idiot refuses to get a shot, while the other downs his 10th shot of tequila and lights another cig.
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4 minutes ago, RickD said:
What about the medical staff and the people they leave behind? Is it fair to them? The hospital beds they occupy could be put to better use. I've read that some hospitals are considering turning away the unvaccinated. They should.
Turn away fat people, drinkers, smokers, fast drivers, criminals, etc., too. We need those beds for the truly innocents.
We've had this debate many times. It never happens. We excuse people for poor life choices. It's part of the social safety net.
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29 minutes ago, richieb said:
I’ve read insurance companies will not be as “generous” with COVID Delta patients hospitalization costs if they elected against the vaccine.
I doubt the government will stand for that. Remember, emergency rooms are paid by government when insurance coverage is not available.
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3 hours ago, dwilawyer said:
Well unfortunately it looks as though this last remaining Covid thread is going to go away like the other one. It stayed pretty much on topic, have you gotten the vaccine, if so are you worried about side effects?
Now we are back into the stuff seen on the anti-vaxx/conspiracy sites. Oh my gosh, the answer was in the patents all along. That was in all of the videos deleated by social media/video platforms as quackery.
You now have a variant with an R Naught over 4 (that's the same as polio), some say as high as 7. Kids are now getting sick and dying. Thus, it is legal for universities and businesses to mandate vaccinations. You will continue to see more and more court approved mandates, and more and more restrictions. Just as I said you would about 20 posts ago.
The death rate in US is currently under 2%. That may change quickly.
This is currently an epidemic for the unvaccinated.
If the off topic stuff continues we will simpy just lock it. We will leave it up, so in 5 years we can all look back and laugh - either as an example of how crazy people were to listen to mainstream medicine and their doctors, or how crazy they were to get medical health/vaccination advice on an audio Forum.
P.S. Right behind Delta is Lambda, a 6% death rate, an R Naught they estimate could be twice that of Delta. Antibodies from a exposure to a previous variant have almost zero impact on it, the current vaccinations are less effective but appear to drastically reduce the chance of severe illness or death.
If Lambda becomes the dominate strain in the US and has an R0 of 14, and a death rate of 6% despite all therapuitics, this discussion will all be academic.
Lambda is news to me. Since you mentioned a 6% death rate, I looked it up. It's actually 1/10 of that - or 0.6% (actually a smidge less). The hardest hit country for it is Peru.
Despite such a high death rate, the CDC says the Lambda variant is "of interest" and not "of concern."
Factors affecting the high death rate in Peru include those associated with the country's poverty - including lack of hospitals and supplies, crowding and the inability of people to stay home without working (I assume no stimulus).
"Chickenpox (varicella-zoster virus) has an R-naught between 9 and 12 (most estimates start at 10) making it likely to be significantly more contagious than COVID-19 and the variants we have currently detected." Source
I am not a die-hard anti-vaxxer, but I am not one to get flu shots, either. If the chit really hits the fan around here, I might be convinced. It will take nature - and not argument - to convince me.
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46 minutes ago, RandyH said:
"Covid is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated."
Isn't that a good thing? It used to be a pandemic for everyone.
Now, you can get your shot and leave fools to their own demise. It's survival of the fittest. Natural population control. (sarcasm)
The fact that the vaccine has already been so effective is every reason NOT to force people to take it.
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10 minutes ago, RickD said:
Over 90% of people hospitalized are unvaccinated. Almost all ICU beds are taken by unvaccinated. The shot is not a symptom reducer, it's purpose is to cause your body to produce antibodies against covid. It is true that you can still catch covid after being vaccinated but you chances of hospitalization or death are almost nil. The main side effect I got from the vaccine is peace of mind.
In that case, you can get the shot and stop worrying. Why keep after everyone else? What's with the Big Brother thing? Live and let die.
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5 hours ago, Coytee said:
I read something once (I'm guessing this was back in the 2008/2009 era) anyway, the commentary said/suggested that those with a lower balance on their mortgage were at higher risk of default than someone with a higher balance.
Their point was if you were late and headed to default, but you only owed say $20K on your $300K home, the bank would take it quicker than if you owed say $180K on same home.....because they could flip it faster/easier to recoup their funds.
Never thought of that and I thought that was an interesting perspective. (no clue how much accuracy might be in their commentary)
If accurate, it would lead to some validity in the approach you took, in spite of you having slicked back werewolf hair....
If you want to consider being in greater debt as "safer," you can, but it's counter-intuitive. It's kind of like the famous lyrics, "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose."
I've always pondered whether the best and richest life could be had by going into as much debt as possible. Why live your life in a box when you could have enjoyed a palace on someone else's nickel?
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24 minutes ago, geezin' said:
Unfortunately truth has become subjective these days.
This is because people claim they know things they don't.
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45 minutes ago, geezin' said:
What passes for logic these days.
3 people (.0000214%) have died from clotting after the J&J injection from 14,000,000 shots. 628,000 people (1.6657%) have died from Covid-19 out of 37,700,000 cases. That's simplified but further examination won't change the truth.
"What passes for logic these days.
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You see what I mean, folks? This is not conducive to spreading knowledge or compassion.
In any cases, "what passes for logic" must admit the logic is limited due to limited availability of data, including data concerning long-term effects. "What passes for logic" was unknown when they released the vaccines without sufficient appreciation of the risk of clots in the first place.
It turns out "what passes for logic" is merely a backhanded attempt to discredit valid opinions held by people with rights (to be let alone).
As has already happened, you might find "further examination" will reveal the truth.
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Same with the J&J vaccine. Listen to how surprised and disappointed the medical community is to find this out after giving the vaccine to so many people. They didn't say, "We knew this before we started giving it. It's been studied for years."
What else will they find out?
When 2 or 3 people die from eating tainted ice cream or lettuce, they pull the products from the market immediately. Not so with the vaccines.
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41 minutes ago, tube fanatic said:
Jeff, I applaud you for stating your feelings and I am surprised your post was not deleted for presenting a view which is not mainstream.
This video explains how mRNA vaccines work and I have read multiple studies which support the mechanism presented and the resulting vascular damage.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/uD98ksu0PzQg/
And we know that FDA approval means nothing!
Maynard
Hey, Maynard. Think about it from this perspective: I haven't followed it closely, but it's common knowledge there was an unexpected clotting issue with the AZ vaccine. Nobody disputes it; the proponents just shuck off the risk as being very low.
In any event, this knowledge was acquired only after they injected many people. Because they have not conducted controlled trials as is done in the ordinary course of medicine approval, the people are the guinea pigs. What else will they learn as time goes on and more people are dosed 2nd, 3rd and 4th times, etc.? Will the data be more complete, painting a different picture?
If you are okay with that and want to accept the risk, no problem. It's your body. All I ask you respect my choice about my body in similar fashion. I'm not trying to silence anyone who suggests it should be taken, nor do I pin nasty labels on them or cop a bad attitude against them. Name-calling and silencing people is no way to share knowledge or compassion.
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CDC admits the vaccine kills some people (though they aren't for sure why and don't fully concede causation). Same with other serious side effects, such as clots and heart issues. The numbers reported are, of course, very small. But the same is true for the underlying illness.
I have a hard time sitting there submitting to an injection when, right before they push the plunger, they say, "Now, this could possibly kill you or damage your heart." What am I supposed to do? "Duh... Ok..."
There's a small chance Covid could kill me or mess me up good. I'm not going to stand in line to get purposefully infected.
There's a small chance the vaccine could also kill me or mess me up good. Likewise, I'm not running to stand in line to see if it does.
FDA has only approved these for emergency use. I don't even want any of the drugs they've approved for everyday use, let alone ones they limit to emergencies. There is no available data concerning long-term effects.
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"The future is in ear buds."
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Yellowstone is due to blow. Mass extinction!
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1 minute ago, BigStewMan said:
haven't been on the forum much the past few months. Doing alright though. Planning a return to California next year (I never was financially responsible, my theory is to just make more they take).
Good that you are busy ... I've quit working back in 2017 ... big mistake. Not so much the loss of income (which does suck) but all that extra time that I have. Okay for most probably; but too much time alone with my thoughts isn't a good thing. Maybe the world would be a different place if I'd kept working? who knows?
Peace to you though ... stay well.
After taking a hiatus from work for about 4-5 years, I jumped back in. It did me good to get away from it for a while. Now, I take it less for granted.
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1 minute ago, BigStewMan said:
so it. good thing if your lawyer is a Caddyshack fan? Hope you are well Jeff.
Doing okay. Just been real busy and occasionally lurking (reading the Jokes thread). How about you? You been alright?
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48 minutes ago, Mighty Favog said:
Can I catch her if she slips off that chair??
Be the chair, Danny.
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I remember when we bought Snicker's bars for a dime, plus a penny tax. $0.11. We're all still alive and kicking despite the fact prices have risen over 1500%. I have a pretty strong feeling society will still be fine when those candy bars cost $3.00. Inflation is just a means to get people off their arses, producing and/or investing.
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On 6/24/2021 at 3:09 AM, dwilawyer said:
I think the district really took it on the chin with this part of the opinion:
Third, the school itself has an interest in protecting a student’s unpopular expression, especially when the expression takes place off campus. America’s public schools are the nurseries of democracy. Our representative democracy only works if we protect the “marketplace of ideas.” This free exchange facilitates an informed public opinion, which, when transmitted to lawmakers, helps produce laws that reflect the People’s will. That protection must include the protection of unpopular ideas, for popular ideas have less need for protection."
If the parent, and not the student, made the offensive post, would there be a case?
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On 4/28/2021 at 12:17 AM, dwilawyer said:
That quote in the WP article is an incorrect statement, Tinker was pretty clear that students have 1st Amendment rights as long as it doesn't disrupt school (wearing black armbands to class during Vietnam War was protected non-verbal expression, school couldn't discipline students unless they could demonstrate conduct caused a "disruption."
Speech causing disruption... Who'd a ever thunk?
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12 hours ago, RandyH001 said:
looks like the worst time to take on long term debt
Might be the best time. Inflation means you pay back the loan with cheaper dollars.
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1 hour ago, JJkizak said:
Do you have a list of what ingredients are in the beef less Whopper?
JJK
nope
Covid Vax, who's got it? and Worried About Side Effects?
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I've heard hospitals in Houston are full and that people who show up in small, emergency clinics can't get rooms quick enough and are dying. I guess that sort of works according to the plan you seem to prefer since the vast majority who are now getting sick and dying are, indeed, the unvaccinated.