Johnny Canuck

Hi there: I have a 3000 cubic volume listening room and am about 10 feet away from my TV (and subwoofer area). As well,I have only one listening location, so am not concerned with bass response throughout the entire room. I have 1 question: Should I go for a Single RT-12d or a Dual RSW-10d subwoofer setup Here are determining factors: a. I work for a Klipch reseller and can get a decent discount on Klipsch subwoofers. b. I can't consider a KW-120-THX for various reasons. c. My receiver has"Audyssey MultEQ XT" calibration/mic system, the Integra DTR-7.8 Receiver http://www.integrahometheater.com/model.cfm?m=DTR-7.8&class=Receiver&p=f d. Not sure if (based on my above receiver) the calibration MIC that comes with a single RT-12d will be useful since my receiver has calibration/mic system (is this redundant for my subwoofer calibration? e. My 7.1 speaker setup will consist of: RF-63 fronts, RC-64 center, and RS62 surrounds, RB61 rear back surrounds. Thank you. JC

6 weeks until d-day huh? Make sure you make an agreement BEFOREHAND on the fact that when you are married you will be allowed to upgrade your toys every so often ... if she says no by the toys now!

Bryston huh! Hey let us know how the speakers sound with it when you get it!

I currently have a fine Pioneer Elite receiver, but it only supports 5.1 and since I wanted a 7.1 setup I wanted to upgrade. The 3806 Denon sells for $1000 at Costco.com and hell, at $1000 I am more than willing to upgrade the controller every 3-5 years. My concern was that a integrated receiver (like the 3806) might have sound audio disadvantage over a seperate controller and hence my concern...

I meant figurately and not literally so people who were interested in the thread would post at this link instead: http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/827908/ShowThread.aspx#827908

Ya sounds like I will need to break in the speakers for a bit, and at 10 feet away I am pushing the boundaries of how close the RF83 speakers should be to me, however since they have a little better clarity then the RF-63 they are the one's to get. However xdetroitx I can't help thinking that since your YAmaha amp only offers 110 RMS, you are still missing a bit in terms of sound. For peeks, say like when the dinosaur yells in Jurrasic Park, wouldn't your receiver lack a little bit of juice to supply the very highest peaks in sound? (Hence the need for a seperate amplifier?)

In terms of the quality of audio output, does a seperate a/v receiver (like the pioneer elite you mention, or say the Denon 3806 or Onkyo 804) offer similar audio quality to some of the preamp processors out there or do I lose out on something by going with the integrated audiovideo receivers by Pioneer, Denon, and Onkyo vs. a preamp processor?

Outlaw doesn't have a product that fufills all of my criteria however I was wondering if the Denon 3806 or Onkyo 804 is a suitable controller (since they cost around as much as say Outlaw's seperate controller) and work those with a seperate amplifier or should I always go with the seperate controller instead of integrated receiver option (due to better audio out or some other reason... Anyways, as per tiger's advice I'll move this thread to: http://forums.klipsch.com/forums/827908/ShowThread.aspx#827908 so this thread is CLOSED!

I am planning to buy an Earthquake Cinénova Grande 7-Channel amplifier http://www.earthquakesound.com/cng_7.htm or a similar stand-alone amplifier for my Klipsch reference system I will be purhasing: http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rf-83-home-theater-system.aspx (RF-83 Floorstanders, RC-64 Center, RS-62 Surrounds, and JL Audio F113 subwoofer). Now I am wondering which controller/preamp/processor to buy to match up with something like the Earthquake Cinenova amplifier and my Klipsch reference speakers. I do not need video switching but I do need support for 7.1 speakers and important standard features such as: -4 Optical, 2 Coaxial (all assignable) digital inputs -24-bit/96-kHz and 24-bit/192-kHz Digital Input Capability -DTS 96/24 -Dolby ProLogic IIx -Dolby Digital Surround EX Decoding -Digital Soundfield Processing Modes -Late Night Mode -Crossover Adjustment -Headphone Jack (Dolby Headphone preferred) -OPTIONAL: auto-setup/room equalization functions Now should I buy a separate ontroller/preamp/processor or will a separate audio-video receiver like the Denon AVR-3806: http://ca.denon.com/ProductDetails/623.asp or Onkyo TX-SR804 suffice: http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-SR804&class=Receiver&p=i or some similar audio/video receiver. Basically, I am trying to figure out what is the best option, getting a separate controller/preamp/Processor or a audio-video receiver to go with a Earthquake Cinénova Grande 7-Channel amplifier and which product one would recommend based on the amplifier and speakers I am running... [since HDMI 1.3 will be important in the future and I will therefore have to upgrade the controller or receiver in the near future, I only want to invest in a controller or receiver that matches my equipments capabilities (speakers and amp) that I am running and one where I am not paying for capabilities and features I cannot use or need... I also figured integrated A/V receivers our easier to sell in the buy and sell then dedicated controllers thus making it easier to upgrade...] Thanks.

Hmm the problem I have is that I can't really take these things home then audition them, I have to listen to them in the show room. My room is 13 X 26 (8 feet high) but I will be only 9 feet away from the speakers .... hmm dunno am going to have to stew over that one...

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Hmm I went and searched a bunch of posts in the forums having to do with RF63 and RF83. (a number of the messages included posts from Raider and DrWho). Seems the RF63 is the sucessor to RF5's, and RF83 successor to RF7 (and RF75's) and differences among them are not unlike the predacessor's, so seems like RF83 is the way to go... Thanks guys, I geuss this thread is CLOSED?!?

Whoops forgot to ask one last thing, which bookshelfs are the closest acoustic match to RF83: RB81 or RB61? Odd that neither of them seems like the RB75... I want to possibly pickup 2 more speakers (for the rear surrounds) to make my system 7.1... Thanks

Hmm I went and searched a bunch of posts in the forums having to do with RF63 and RF83. (a number of the messages included posts from Raider and DrWho). Seems the RF63 is the sucessor to RF5's, and RF83 successor to RF7 (and RF75's) and differences among them are not unlike the predacessor's, so seems like RF83 is the way to go... Thanks guys.

Ok so what you are saying is that, in consideration to performance, the RF63 in no way offers any better sound (in the low, mids, or high frequences) than the RF83?