Belleman

1975 Belles with acoustic suspension bi-amped subs in our Hard Rock Cafe room. Filters modded with the help of fine folks on this forum

I scored a pair of Belles '75 vivntage from a fella's grandpa some time back. They are saawweeeeet and pristine too. All I did was upgrade the caps in the existing network complete. Moved a tap on the transformer with the help of good folks here and put the P trap on the horn. I then added dual acoustic suspension bi-amped subwoofers coming in at about 70hz and I absoluttely LOVE the sound! I think a lot of that has to do with the tube pre and tube SET mono blocks too but I have no desire to radically change or add anything more to these lovely speakers. Good luck and enjoy!

No pics? Ohhh nuttin to really show. I've posted them already earlier. We are doing a Hard Rock Cafe theme in the room and when we get it done I'll post a pic then.

Put the P traps in this weekend. Much better! Thanks for the tip. Between changing out the caps, switching the transformer tap, installing the P traps and bi-amping a good sub why, these ole Belles sound real nice. Thanks to EVERYONE that helped!

Hey thanks DM... I think I'll try a bit of insulation as you mentioned in item one. If its a peak in the 400 to 600Hz range, what's the fix? New squaker, new network other than the AA? [:^)]

That was my first guess. Anyway, I may just get used to it as I am married to these speakers for a while as we remodeled a whole damn room around them. I may try some budget sound deadening treatments to the box and see what happens if I can do it on the cheap. If it's the squawker horn then I'm simply stuck with that for a while. (but for some reason I don't want to believe that's it).

No, there's no vibrations and I'm currently running a quality sub woofer bi-amped at this time. I hope to build dual subs in the near future. Product like Black Hole five isn't installed to stop cabinet vibrations. I'm not hearing cabinet vibrations. I'm thinking I want to deaden the interior box and stop this echo type of sound. Everything is tight cabinet wise on the Belles, it's just a sound that may be natural to this horn type of configuration.

Well so far the wealth of help and information that has come from this site with respect to my newly acquired '75 Klipsch Belles has been awesome. I've upgraded the caps in my AA networks and even changed a tap for the squawker on a transformer. The sound keeps getting better and better. So I've been listening and listening to music that I am familiar with and I'm noticing one thing with respect to the sound. At lower levels it's not so prevalent but as I turn it up it is. I tend to hear a "box" sound. It sounds, for lack of a better word "boxie". Does that make sense? Not sure how else to describe it. I'm wondering if the internal cabinet for the 15 inch driver could use a material like black hole five or such. I have used such product before on cabinets and it mellowed out the box sound. Anyway, hopefully others have been across this bridge before and might have some ideas for me. Maybe I am barking up the wrong tree here all together. I just don't know...

Say Erik...whats the wattage on that coil?

Erik, you have a PM sir...

1975 Belles and yuppers, the spring-loaded push terminals. Oh so you've been on the Lemmon before? We had a huge fire up there a couple of years ago you prolly heard about. I've not been up that way in a while. Would be nice to go cool off there though.

Heyyyyy awesome info there Erik. You know I'm gonna try that lil trick. Thanks dude! (high five)

I'm real surprised too and damn happy that's for sure! I'm sensitive to highs and tweeter sound also and I dearly miss my Raven tweeters and their beautiful shimmering highs as compared to the stiff, tish, tish, tish of these horn tweeters. (Frankly, I've never heard any highs as good as the Raven true ribbons) But regardless of that, all I know is that what I did has made me want to take off work tomorrow and listen to LPs all damn day long. This simple tap change nailed the sound I thought these could do. I'm loving the big speaker dynamics in my new dedicated two channel room.

oh, oh, oh...sorry Tom....guess I got a bit excited. Well I had upgraded the caps in my AA network and in order to get the 13 value I paralleled a 6.2 and a 6.8. (Thanks Bob) So when I say I "cut out a cap" I cut out the 6.8 and I also moved the transformer tap. It made these sound much more tame and more involving to me. Before they were just to damn rude and in my face.

It worked! It worked! (jumping up and down like a kid) Gawd I love an easy, cheap fix like this. After work today I fired up the ole iron and moved that tap and cut out the capacitor. Might I say, what a difference! Sounds soooooooo much better guys, whew. I can listen to these now for hours and enjoy it much more. This will hold me over for now until I can get a lil money saved up to try more fun things! Thanks to EVERYONE here for their kind and helpful responses! You guys ROCK! (special thanks to Bob. Your da man)