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Okay so heres the deal. Since the Yamaha cannot compete with power, I need some suggestions on a very good receiver that will... that comes with HD radio, XM, Sirius hook ups... ALL THE BELLS AND WISTLES.
I would suggest that you check out emotiva.com. Going separate ( decoder UMC 1+ amp XP5 and) will also take care of any power issues
Now again, I want to beat down the block... so for music... if I have A and B front inputs, Im probably gonna want RF-83's on each so that when I want, I can switch to 2ch Stereo and beat down the house, but when it comes to watching a movie, I would want those fronts to work well in the surround set up. Im only discussing front speakers here. Lets see if this is a good idea before I discuss the rest of the setup up. Is there something wrong with having 4- RF-83's if i have 4 front channel inputs? will a movie not sound good with those large speakers on the front? Now remember, my understanding is that most AVR's come with A and B front inputs.
Surround speakers are supposed to be behind you, so having 4 RF 83 in the front will not help for movies. You will still need surround speakers.
The idea for A and B is to power 2 different set of speakers, usally in 2 different room, or if you wanted to do stereo listening a for the front and b for the back( behind you ) would be another option.
As explained before I do not think most receivers, even if they have that option, have the power to do so.
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I think you might need to start with the basics.
Set up wise there are 2 main goals you can pursue:
MUSIC listening:
The initial set up starts with two main tower, with the full range of the stereo signal sent to them including the BASS. The RF 7 is so popular because it does very well in that department but it needs good power to do reach it's full potential. Most of the shelves receivers just don't have it
Speakers such the RF 82 and the F 3 will usually need a sub to be added to them.
In order to fill the room you can add 2 more towers to the back and even one as a center channel and send the same stereo signal to them. Most people will use the the 5 channel setting for that, it should give you the feeling of the room being filled with music, however as explained before the towers need more power to run and therefore a normal receiver will not cut it.
Once thing I need to point out is if you are going through the trouble of getting such a set up it does not make sense to 2 different set of towers in the front and the back as you would want to match the timbre between them.
The nice thing about this set up ( 5 towers arround the room) is it will aslo work well for movies using 5.1.
MOVIE watching:
This is where the 5.1 or 7.1 system comes in
It starts with a 5.1 set up: 2 main towers, a center channel, 2 side speakers and a sub woofer.
You have 5 different channel going to each speakers, the .1 being the BASS (also called LFE) which is send to the sub.
In this system the center channel is the main speakers because that is where all the voices are sent( this why your center channel cost almost as much as a tower, you do not want to go cheap on it). The towers will assit in creating a sound stage. The side speakers call Wide Dispersion speakers are there to create sound effect.
The 7.1 system is mostly a marketing thing. In most cases the 2 side channels are mixed into a new signal then split in two and send to 2 rear speakers which give you more surround effects. This is really effective if you have a rather large room to fill.
Most receivers have the on board amplification to support both format
Most people will also set there cross over at 80 HZ which means that you are now taking the low end of the signal and send it to the sub. This setting is done through you receiver.
If you are doing some serious music listening I would suggest that you look into the Klipsch heritage series. If you are doing mainly movies go with a 5.1 or 7.1 set up.
I think we all assumed that when you said 4 towers you meant 2 in the front and 2 in the back not 4 front. That would be a big no no if you ask me, you are trying to reach quality using quantity and it just does not work that way.
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Thanks for the friendly welcome. What does HT mean? Home Theatre?
Yes HT means Home theater, sorry about that.
What do I want with my system?
- With me it will be a combination of movies and music. I need a marriage made in heaven, a system that does well with movies and music.
- First of all I like loudness, and KILLER BASS... and heavy punch. I want to beat down the block and knock pictures off the walls. The first item that I've purchased from Klipsch is the RC-62...
- The next thing i'm going to purchase is that yamaha RX-V3900, unless somebody recommends different.
- The next thing after that on my list is Fronts... preferably 4 large front speakers. Im not to crazy about spending 4 g's on 4 RF-83's which is why I thought of buying 4 RF-82's...
- The sub I will buy is the RW-12d
- There is no such thing as a perfect world, the only solution would be to have 2 set of speakers in the back like TDK has:
towers for music
Wide dispersion type speakers for movies
and use a switchable separate amplification system for it
- The RF 7 are known for there Bass
- I agree with TDK, the RVX 3900 will not keep up if you go towers all around.
- I don't think you want to do that. It just does not work that way, 4 RF 82 will not equal 2 RF 83.
- The RW 12 D should complement the RF 7 and RF 83 very well
Also, i need help choosing a good surround set up. Point me in the right direction please??
For some reasons I assumed that you wanted to use towers all around.( 2 for the main front speakers and 2 for the surround speakers) not all 4 in the front.
I would suggest that you only get 2 front towers( RF 7 or RF 83). Having 4 front towers will not work for multiple reasons. Beside the WOW factor you will not achieve anything.
For the surrounds the RS 7 or the RS 62 are made for those towers
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Welcome to the Forum
The RC 25 might fall short, the RC 7 would definitely be the center speaker to choose for that set up.
I would also consider the RS 42 instead of the RS 25. The design of the new RS series is also an improvement over the old one.
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Welcome to the Forum.
I'm not sure what you mean by bigger. Size wise the RF 83 are bigger, sound wise it is a matter of opinion.
Klipsch does not make the RF 7 anymore, your best bet to find a set is Ebay, audiogon and Graig'slist. They don't come up to often but you might get lucky
I think the first question you need to ask yourself is what do you want to do with your system?Why would you want 4 RF 82 or F-3 instead of the 7 or 83?? What are you trying to do? I hope you are not thinking of having 2 RF 82 or F-3 side by side to equal a RF 7 or RF 83.
These speakers are not bad at all but they are not in the same league.
If you are planing on using the system for HT and movies; towers all around is unnecessary, there are surround speakers which will do a much better job.
If music listening is your plan than by all means go for it.
The Yamaha receiver should work just fine.
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I must be missing something here but typing </p> at the end of the phrase will give you a line break, it always worked for me
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The HK sounded so much sweeter for 2ch than the Onkyo. I told him in my experience and my taste, the HK sounded much better than the Onkyo and the Yamaha was somewhere in between the two. For HT, both the Onkyo and Yamaha are excellent.
I could not have said it better
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Not that I want to rub in but here are some of the deals I got over the last few yearshey youthman i just read this whole thread thats the best deal ever! great pics, also your set up is sic i just seen your photos of your HT micky mouse dude!
RF 3 II, RC 3 II and RS 3 II set with the boxes good as new for $650-------- sold it for the same price to inventor's friend (did not even charge him for the gas to go pick them up).
RC 7 with box as good as new $ 350---------- resold for the same price and delivered in person to a forum member 300 miles away from me
RF 7 (2) brand new in boxes $900 those are not going anywhere but in my leaving room
RS 3II set $ 130------ resold to acoworker, at cost, along with a set of RF3II and a RC 3II. I also installed and wired the all the system for free
Brand new RS 42 $199 ----- resold to a forum member for the same price
RS 52 set for $ 399------- seating in my HT room
RS 62 set brand new with boxes $599----- seating in my leaving room
Most of those speakers were not even unpacked, I just find the deals and buy them for my friends
Hunting the deals down ----- exciting
Bring them home--------------- delirious fever
Making a friend happy or making someone a new klipsch fan---- priceless
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I di contact klipsch support as was told there was not a tweeter upgrade on the rf-311's(i read that there was online)however the klipsch site says my rf-3ii's should have k-105-k1 tweeters,my tweeter says k-124-k.
I do not have the RF 3 II anymore but I just checked the RF 3 and I have a K-105-K1 tweeter in them. I could not even find what the K-124-K came out of.
Sorry I can't help
falcon,you gotta lotta nerve hording all the rf7's.Rf7's in a "SPARE SYSTEM"come on man[:'(]
Thanks Dean
Give me a break those 3 spare RF 7 are project speakers, I just haven't had the time to get to them but when I will that will complete my full RF 7 5.2 system [
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I believe this question should be for Falcon.
"And before anyone says anything yes I did work fo UPS and DHL AND AIRBORNE EXPRESS and I'm fully aware of the process"
I personally think a 4 foot drop test is ridiculous! I know accidents happen, but that is their job! To make sure they don't drop 4 feet. Seems like an easy out for insurance claims. How are you supposed to know that it's packed well enough to withstand a 4 foot drop? I'm sure not going to test out a $500 speaker to find out. How about they just don't drop them? If they do, like I said, mistakes happen, but own up to it!
Alright, I do not want to make anyone mad or upset with me over this one as I do not make the rules. The 4 foot drop is more justified that what you think.
The shipping carriers have 2 main ways to move your packages: trucks or airplanes
So let's start with the trucks.
Take a person with an average height and have him/her pick up an RC 64, like you would to carry it to you car. Now measure the distance between the bottom of the box and the ground, you should be between 3 and 1/2 feet, step up into the back of a UPS/ Airborne or DHL truck and take the same measure again, you should be between 4 to 5 feet.
When we talk about airplanes most people think of the big airliners type, what you don't realize is a lot of the packages are actually being transported by much smaller airplanes. Unlike with the big planes, which are using closed containers, the smaller ones are loaded by hand using conveyor belt with no side bars. Often over sized packages will have a hard time to fit on those and might fall off on the side with an average height of .... I'm sure you can guess.
Regardless of how you shipped your speakers it will start and finish it's travel in a truck with numerous people handling it along the way
The shipping carriers are fully aware of there limitations and that is why you have rules which seems to be way out there.
Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not saying it is a good system or trying to make it ok in anyways but it is a simple fact of life due to the nature of the biz.
Can the system be improved? You bet but are you willing to pay for it? Same story everywhere you go.
What about the gorilla? Sure they are some of them out there but belevie me the loading crews are being closely monitored
Overall what I'm trying to say is; this is like paying your taxes you don't like it but you have no choice. So if you learn and understand the rules it makes it a all lot easier to work with the system and avoid unpleasant surprises. [*-)]
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well....don't rush out and get one just yet. the Nyko left out a very important button, THE POWER OFF BUTTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, there has been much talk about this in the AVS forum. I haven't looked at it in awhile. My guess is that it wasn't an oversight but more of a programming issue. Not sure. To me, it's not that big of a deal. I have to insert a Bluray anyways so might as well turn on power too while I'm there.
That is Sony's the evil plan to make you burn all the extra calories you got from that pop corn bag, use the power of the pinky
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I use to have 8 of those at one time, the RF 3 is a great speaker.
Do you have the same problem on both speakers? Because if you do I would look somewhere else for the problem, start with the receiver.
If not check the jumpers, they can come lose.
If the jumpers are fine check the connections at the cross-over. To remove the X-over just take the 4 screws out and pull it out,nothing to it( tip: keep the screws aside they might be different from the one used for the woofers, I know it is the case on the RC 3)
To remove the woofers I usually start by the top screws and work my way down when I get to the last one I apply some pressure on the casing of the woofers to keep it in place so it does not slide out and scratch the paint once I get the last screw removed.
AA or AAA battery on woofers,ohm meter on tweeters?will this reveal problems if present?Can you check the crossoverI
Not sure about the battery thing, the ohm meter will show the impedance of the woofers but to know what it means you would need to know what you are looking for
One way to isolate the problem is to take the jumpers out and power the horn alone then the woofers between on each speakers but again if they both sound the same I would suspect that the problem is not there but somewhere else
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But then again Lets just blame Thump!
I don't believe anyone is blaming thump in anyways and I apologize if any of my posts made you think I was. I just think as a klipsch employee he has a better chance to bring up a problem to the company and get them to take care of it.
Regarding Noah's comment: all I can say is I have shipped or received 2 RF 7 2 rf 83 2 RC 7 2 RC 64 2 RC 3 and few WSDT type speakers and I never pay that much money.
No one of them were damaged but I carefully packed them. The problem I see is most people do not understand basic physics mixed with the shipping carrier process. Packing is one thing, smart packing is not the same, you can smart pack and still not spend hundred of dollars.
And before anyone says anything yes I did work fo UPS and DHL AND AIRBORNE EXPRESS and I'm fully aware of the process
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In theory I fully agree with you but that's not the point.
The point is; you meet the standard but it is not sufficient. For example I really think my RF 7 are worth $ 2000 used . What I think does not matter the market dictates what they are worth, same here with packing material. The ATSM standard is not cutting it, hiding behind it and ignoring the facts is pitifully way to handle business.
Of course the standard excuse/ scare tactic: would you be willing to pay 20% for better packing. Yes I would pay more for packing but saying it would cost 20 % more is not true.
The best packing I ever seen for a center channel was from a forum member. He had boxed a RC 7 in the original packing then had it in a larger box with the original box surrounded by strips of low density foam.
The cost of the packing additional packing was around $ 40 at the most and that is if all the materials were bought new at the store.
I have myself shipped numerous klipsch speakers double boxes surround by foam and I never had one damaged, that includes rf 7 rc 7 and rc 67, the most I ever spent on additional packing was $ 26.
Of course in the case of Klipsch they would make it in china with a high volume at a much lower cost.
So let's do the math here 20% of a $ 999 speaker is $ 200, cost of the extra packing at the most $ 40, would it make or break the sale of the speaker?
Very unlikely. I would go even further and ask the following: Why are you not providing packing good enough? So more of them can be destroyed and therefore you can sale more speakers?
I would like to point out a few other things
If klipsch did not have on line approved retailers I would definitely agree with the previous statement about buying local but that is not the case and I belive it is the company responsibility to make sure the packing can be shipped safely instead of blaming the retailers or the carriers for mishandling.
I do not mean do be a hard a$$ and pick on you, the forum is great, klipsch customer service is one of the best and having the employees being part of the forum is even better.
Dealing with customer satisfication is a though job and you guys are good at it, but the fact is by putting yourself in that situation you became the front line of the company, their hear and eyes, and through you the customer sees klipsch. It is your responsibility to bring the issue to a higher level in the company
Best rules of thumb.
1. Buy Local I would if I could
2. Inspect the product before you buy It goes without saying
3. Pay by credit card or check so you can dispute the charges. Very good advise, credit card company often provide goods insurance
4. Buy Klipsch, because we care!
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I have a friend that helped me build my risers in my HT. He got so excited when I began building my theater room that he decided to enclose part of his basement and make a HT for himself. He has a 100' projection setup but his sound stinks. He says he paid $20 for all of his speakers. Front two are KLH, center and surrounds are Sony. He bought a 7.1 Onkyo to drive them. He says it gets loud, but doesn't compare to my Klipsch setup.
I've never actually heard the RF-3 series. I'm guessing he would be thoroughly pleased with them but wanted to get some feedback as to whether this is a good deal or not. Originally, I asked her if she would sell just the three speakers and she said yes for $375. So $375 for the RF-3's and RC-3 and $100 for the Denon. Need some opinions. Good deal? \
If they are in a good shape it is a really good deal for the RF 3II and the RC 3I. The MSRP for them was over $1300
I had 5 or 6 set of those and every time I sell them I can't help to go back and buy another set, they are great underestimated speakers.
I found a pair of RF-3 II's and a RC-3 II with a Denon 1082 receiver for him for $475. I know lots of guys here love the Denon's with the Klipsch. He doesn't have HDMI and is using a PS3 for bluray.
Unless you have HDMI 1.3 a you will not be able to get the new sound formats ( and you know that [:#]) but if you do not have HDMI you can get a cable for the PS3 which will convert the HDMI to RCA
For the receiver check out this denon link -
That's one problem, most of Tech Support spends next to NO time here anymore. Quick- how many Klispch Customer Support personnel can you name that come here on a regular basis? Trey and Thump are in Engineering, they don't count.
I found it hard to believe that the company would no be aware of this. Regardless, the forum is own and manage by Klipsch, as you point it out a few of the employees are on the forum and I would expect them to bring up to someone higher up.
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I guess I just have a hard time with companies not wanting to take responsibility for their own neglect. You find this everywhere. Everyone wants to release liability from themselves. If you mess up, own up. Just my opinion.
My point excatly. You can not pack a speaker as heavy the RC 64 between two thin pieces of the cheapest material you can find, ship it across the country and expect it to get there in one piece At the risk to make a lot of people upset I will have to say klipsch is at fault as much as the carriers on this one
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We test our speakers for ASTM drop standards, unfortunately UPS expects goods to pass a 4 FOOT drop test. Which is rediculous. The shippers are also good at denying claims for shipping damage. Pallet shipping to dealers is definately safer.
I don't find fault in Klipsch for making them with plastic baskets. To me, the blame is on the shipping company. If I drop something in the store and it breaks, I can't go to the clerk and say you should have made a better product. I'm responsible. If I test drive a car and back into a pole, again, that's my problem, not the manufacturer of the car. Klipsch makes speakers that are capable of cranking at high volumes and as long as they can do that well and accurately, I'll put my blame on the shipping company.
Read my previous post on this but I will also add the following.
Could the shipping company do a better job? Sure they can but blaming them for your misunderstanding of there systems and rules is a little to easy.
There is a reason why they are requiring the goods to pass a 4 foot drop test, the fact that you do not know about it and did not comply with it is not there fault. If you do not agree with the rule then don't ship it.
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Klipsch should issue a statement that buying these and shipping them rather than buying at local dealer will be "at your own risk"
I would have to disagree.
As long as Klipsch has online approved dealer they should be the one providing a better packing knowing the requirement imposed by the shipping carriers.
I would not be so hot about it if it was for the simple fact that they decided to use lesser quality packing for the RC 64 VS the RC 7. Furthermore, claiming they had no idea is a BS answer. Unless you leave in a bubble there is no way the company does not know about this problem. How many horror stories have you seen on this forum? Forum on which Klipsch employees are as active as most members
Would you buy a corvette with Yugo brakes and have the dealer tell " you were going to fast for those brakes so it is your fault if you wrecked the car ".
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To answer Inventor's question the 7.1 RCA output is for the people who do not have HDMI on there receiver. In this case you would use the internal decoder of the player for the sound and send it to the RCA outputs which means you would only be using the amplification portion of the receiver and on some the dsp as well. All the decoding is being handle by the player.
I should have added: that feature is needed if you want to be able to enjoy DOLBY HD and MASTER DTS HD format without a HDMI hook up
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I agree with everything you said.
Obviously the Oppo is reaching out to a very specific crowd ( not the one shopping at BB) and as you mentioned the PS3 will be more then enough for most people.
The $100 would only be worth spending for very few people. The ones who are either using the RS 232 jack for the optional equipment or the RCA outputs for non HDMI receiver. SACD is nice but not a deal breaker for a lot of people
To answer Inventor's question the 7.1 RCA output is for the people who do not have HDMI on there receiver. In this case you would use the internal decoder of the player for the sound and send it to the RCA outputs which means you would only be using the amplification portion of the receiver and on some the dsp as well. All the decoding is being handle by the player.
I think the OPPO will most likely be a great player but I suspect that most people who are going to buy it are spending the extra $100 for features which they will never use. For that matter I belive most buyers would be happier with the PS3, the media center and the internet features are more suited to the vast majority of people
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Very nice post from someone who actually knows what he is talking about.
However there is one critical thing not mentioned; how is the manufactory support of the players? I'm in no way a big fan of Sony but as we all know when it comes to blu ray they are driving the bus. I have been pleasantly surprised by the support provided to the PS3, Sony keeps it update and on the cutting edge via automatic downloads. How will Oppo keep up with the almighty Sony and the ever-changing technology?
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Here is a question for all of you guys.
Comparing the Oppo to the Sony BDP S 550, what makes the Oppo so much better and worth $ 100 more?
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Trust me, there will be a bigger/better deal down the road. Keep your eyes open, especially on craigslist. I have found some fantastic deals for my HT there.
You know Youthman your right. Maybe I'm just being impatient. I think I would like to stick to local transactions. Shipping is what generally kills the deal anyways. I'm looking now on my Craigslist and saw a Harman/Kardon AVR 430.
http://nashville.craigslist.org/ele/1141772064.html
Again just curious.
WOW
That's a great deal right there
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I know you do and thank you for caring
In need of some RF-7's
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The RF 83 will do a great job for both HT and music.
Power wise they are very efficient and do not need as much power as the RF 7 do.
While I think the Yamaha would do the job as I said check out emotiva.com. You can get all the power you need for the same price you would pay to have a good receiver able to handle those beasts.
For the wiring : for music you use the RCA out (analog) from the DVD/ CD player and hook it up to the CD RCA in of the receiver.
for movies hook up the HDMI output of the DVD to the DVD HDMI input of the receiver
This way all you have to do on the remote is select CD for music and DVD for movies, the receiver will do the rest