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hey I'm from ottawa too and had a similar dilema and ended up with the rf-82s the futureshop on blair has them both in their HT room and you can demo them...at least they had them setup when I bought mine the difference is not night and day, but it's there, go listen and let your ears/budget decide good luck

so I've recently renovated and I have to use in-ceiling speakers for my rears based on my existing speakers (rf82, rc62), is there something recommended? thanks

I am currently reworking my basement ht area and looking to get a new cabinet for my components...due to wall size limitations (only 9 wide), I am forced to be creative with my subwoofer (15 inch velo) I found a cabinet where the subwoofer will fit in the middle section, but I am concerned with it being under the TV (panny plasma) and so close to the receiver/br player/htpc, it may cause potential issues? the sub is front porter, and will be facing the front if that makes a difference any wisdom appreciated the stand: the center will be above the tv

I totally agree with youthman, even if you have to wait a bit, but you really favor the 83's, wait for them...I have the 82's and partly wish I had gotten the 83's....don't get me wrong, I love the 82's, they put a smile on my face everytime I hear them, but I always wonder...what if, how much better would it sound, etc...but at the end of the day, I couldn't easily afford them then, or now my post above, I was just trying to point out that if you're talking mostly 5.1 movies/shows etc, anything non-music, rears don't need to be a high end speaker, anything (and I use that term loosely) will really work as long as it outputs the ambient noise you need at the level you need....they are there for effect, and not clarity, sorry if I wasn't clear and in movies account for something like 10% of total sound...see what klipsch recommends you use for the rear with that setup, and with the money you save there instead of buying the rf82's for the rear, invest in the 83's and maybe pay a few extra $'s... GL with your choice, at the end of the day, it has to work with the budget

wow, that's really impressive! I've always wanted to build my own sub setup, I'm just too concerned I'll muck something up...one day

out of curiosity, why do you want to run a second set of rf82's as the rears for your HT I'd get cheaper rears (rs series or rb), and up the fronts to the RF83's with the money saved consider that the rears in movies need very little clarity and are there more for ambient noise and effect, and you'd see it's a waste of money...there's nothing 'wrong' with it, it's just there's a better option for ya I'd say get a better center, but you've got that covered just my 2 cents *edit, read this: http://www.crutchfield.com/learn/learningcenter/home/ht_speakers.html

thanks for the reply, and yep, the 889 does have the 2 chan independant setting, and I was infact using direct. update: I had my buddy over today and we spent a good hour playing with the denon, I didn't get a chance to go out and buy another receiver, because we got the denon to satisfactory settings...a new receiver will be in my future plans, might go seperates if I can afford it, we'll see...but no rush, I am happy with the way it sounds right now so through trial and error we found the issue...there's a huge gap(not sure if it's due to room, speakers, or what) but between 80-100...I turned up the crossover to 100, and BAM things suddenly came to life... I guess the klipsch's really struggle down low, either that or my room/furniture cancels those frequencies and the needs the power of the sub. we tried all sorts of settings, setting them to large, lfe, lfe+, small, lfe, life+, and nothing made them pop like the crossover setting, go figure does anyone have any info on how I can plot a graph of db/freq? how does one go about doing that? I checked quickly with a sound meter, and the gensweep software, and at first glance, I have a house curve, but there's a LOT of gaps in there, I don't know if that's normal, but def something I'd like to look at

Fair enough...Thanks ya I can't wait to run it through it's paces...I didn't have a chance tonight, but I have a buddy who's a more experienced audio guy coming over to check it out either this week or on the weekend, I plan on going to BB and picking up another receiver to compare it to instead of using my kenwood...I am starting to have my doubts about the denon to be honest...one of the reasons below Today while playing with it quickly ok so the 2 channel output is set to: speaker size: small sub: enabled output: LFE crossover: 80hz no eq, audyssey disable now, based on everything I've read regarding the denon (and it may be different for others), when you set your fronts to 'small', no matter if you have LFE or LFE+Main, any frequency below the crossover gets sent to the sub ONLY, and your fronts don't play it...here's a link explaining: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15018166&postcount=662 now here's the interesting piece, the genSweep was set to 50Hz, and the output was coming from the sub and the speakers, I turned off the sub to be sure...it seems to not respect the settings...makes me question what else it's not respecting...I know it's a small thing, but just adds to my frustration right now sorry, kind of venting

both the coax out and the speaker cables are monster cables not because I am a fan of the brand, but because I got them dirt cheap at a local clearout store

thanks for the post, and one of the thing I actually fear is that this is a performance issue where I've left poorer speakers behind and upgraded to the rf82's and this is just something I have to deal with...to tell you the truth, at that point, I'd rather have shitty inconsistant speakers then good speakers that sound like crap (to me) 90% of the time... I REALLY think there's a variable in here making things awful, and I really hope to resolve it, I love these speakers, I don't know why, I just do...klipsch is the reason I was turned onto audio and to something other than HTIB's and I really hope I don't end up switching loyalty I should mention that on the weekend, I hooked up one of the rb61's to the denon, left channel, and left the rf-82 as the right channel, I could hear a huge difference between the speakers (expected), but I had guests come over and I couldn't actually put it through it's paces tomorrow during the day, I'll hook them back up, as well as the kenwood as well, and listen I'd love to do it now, but kiddo is asleep, and without cranking it a bit, the difference is hard to spot I'll post results, thanks for everyone's help

Thanks for the reply and for the link I read the thread, and was hopeful...so I re-checked the wiring, all was ok so I downloaded SweepGen, and gave that a try...I could not hear a difference when they were in-phase, or 180-phase, or independant...or notice a different sound level, tone, or anything...it all sounded the same to my untrained ear so I did the battery trick, and they seem to be both in-phase

I'll get some analog cables and give it a shot you thinking the denon's DAC is coloring the sound even though the features are disabled?

The issue I am having is driving me bonkers...I cannot seem to get ANY consistancy with the sound when I am listening to music (2.1)...they either sound too bright, and no bass, too bassy, or too muddy, and the ODD song sounds GREAT...but 90% of the time, it sounds terrible...and I have no idea what's causing the issue, and I am hoping someone can help My setup is as follow: Receiver: Denon 889(http://www.denon.ca/ProductDetails/3324.asp) which is equivalent to the 2310 in terms of processing. Fronts: RF-82's Sub: Velodyne 15 inch Media: HTPC using digital out to the receiver, ALL the effects turned off, playing ALL FLAC audio. for the receiver, I have ran audessey, and checked db output with a sound meter, but I only have it enabled for movies, rest of the time the EQ/Effects of the receiver are off...I've tried it both ways, and no difference My library contains mostly rock and heavy metal, some country...now I know what you might be saying...well it's the source...but I play the exact same files on my 'work' PC, which has a kenwood receiver powering 2xRB61's, and a 10 inch sub, and it sounds MUCH better, and much more consistant. when I use audio CD's, the same issue arises, each audio CD will have it's own characteristics...for example, CD1 will be super bright, CD2 will be super bassy...which I understand it's how it's recorded/edited/mastered, but I want to be able to find a balance somewhere...with my other setup, you're usually in the middle of the spectrum, with the rf82's, you're on one side or another it seems, rarely in the middle, this could be because it's a higher end speaker, I don't know I've even as far as thought it was my PS3 causing the issue since the media software transcodes flac, so I sold it and I built the HTPC, but the same issue is happening I am ready to sell my RF82's and look for another set of speakers, this is frustrating me to no end, if it's the receiver, I'll change it, if it's something I can do with the PC, I'll do it, any suggestion welcome!