Heritage_Head

Yeah The only Klipsch I had heard 2 years ago were my promedia's.... now ive ran the gambit and am at the RF7ii's. To be fair I did hear the rf62ii's and the RF7ii's compared head to head in a local shop...... however.... I buy 99% of everything I own online. ID is great cause you can save money. The only time it's not great is when there is a probblem and you can't just bring it back to the local store. BTW this was not suppossed to be a ID vs reatiler thread either lol. When I say retail vs internet direct I’m basically saying klipsch vs internet direct. Because klipsch is retail.

You could still try them out until you get a new one. When you get them read the book, I think you can use RCA jacks from your receiver to the sub. It is called " INPUTS: L/R Line-level RCA jacks, L/R High-level speaker binding posts " I got that from here.....click "specs" http://www.klipsch.com/rw-12d-subwoofer Maby someone will help with this, I have never used one like this but that's what there used for. Run rca from your tape A output to the sub then select that on the record selector input. Then use the crossover on the sub. I would crossover low for this hook up (like 50-70 Hz)

Yes it’s kind of turning into a horn sub thread lol. People like value look at emotive amps how popular they are. I’m not sure I agree about the comment made that subs should all sound the same. I have owned many subs and have heard even more and most imo sound different. Yes speakers are going to have the biggest changes in sound one from the other but amps sound different and nobody has a problem taking a chance with emo. Mark my words internet direct is here to stay and word of mouth now spreads way more than ever. How many people bought there klipsch before hearing them? Jason you bought almost all your speakers before auditioning them. Probably because enough people on hear or another forum made you confortable with buying them. If there was speakers being sold as good as klipsch for half the cost online word would get around and people would start buying them. Just like emo.

Reference, they used a Nikon D700 camera to take that pic. It's $2200 - $2700 (without a lens). They used a 2.8 lens at 24mm) Here is a 24mm - 70mm 2.8 lens for $1889. Is it a very nice photo? Yes. Does it look like a $4589 photo to you? FWIW, with proper lighting and skills (I'm not talking about me), you can get very similar or even better results without spending near that much on a camera and lens. Lol no way too rich for my blood. (How do you know it was that camera?)[]

Yes my thoughts as well. I wish my camera took pics like that.

For me Jason it’s pretty easy I have owned two klipsch subs (both rw-12d) and I own a def tech supercube1. The klipsch sub retails for 800 and the deftech retails for 1200. Now I only paid about 55% of those costs so I wasn’t disappointed but my point is the price vs value. The Epik Empire for example destroys the def tec and the rw-12d. And the cost is 800 (before shipping). The mark up on these retail speakers is 100% so the rf-7ii costs the stores about 1600 for a pair. Same goes for their subs. I have said this before when more internet direct company’s start selling high quality speakers (other than subs) internet direct will put companies like klipsch out of business. It’s kinda sad that klipsch could sell us speakers for half and still make the same amount of money as they are now. I can only give you my experience I have two different internet direct subs (svs/epik) and they both destroy the klipsch and deftech. Dollar for dollar it’s sadly not even close. I can’t speak for the other company’s but from what I have read it’s the same across the board. If svs made speakers as good as high end klipsch speakers people would buy them just like the subs. I do think that klipsch is to smart not to see this though and will adopt by possibly going internet direct.

Awesome pic!! []

How do you like the new subs?

I know it wouldn’t give you 3db x5 = 15db because as you add more that number stars to scale down so that’s where my 8-10db guess came from. I have seen a chart just can’t remember what it was.

That isn't what Trey is saying in the link I provided and doubling the power to a given speaker results in a 3 dB volume increase is the rule-of-thumb: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/manufacture/0907/ "As audio/video hobbyists, most of us grew up thinking that if we have an amplifier with 50 watts of rated output power into 8-ohm speakers, and that combination produces reasonably clean and loud music, then by doubling the amplifier power to 100 watts per channel, the system would then play twice as loud. Many readers likely still believe that. Not so. Although it's not the easiest thing to comprehend, doubling the amplifier power does not double the loudness. In the above example, the sound from the speakers would not be "twice as loud"; it would only be "a little louder," an increase of 3 decibels." http://www.proavmagazine.com/acoustics/the-price-of-3-db.aspx "The loudness increase is logarithmic — twice the applied power always produces the same 3 dB loudness increase." So with one speaker you gain 3db. But we are doubling the power x5( 5 different times to 5 different speakers). It’s like going from 1 powered sub to 5 right?

What your article doesn't address is the impedance curve of the speaker in question at different frequencies....Your RF-7s are listed as 101 dB sensitivity and are "8 Ohm Compatible," but that last sentiment can be misleading because it doesn't address that the RF-7s have been reported to dip down to 2.8 Ohms at certain frequencies . Keep in mind you double the centers power and the surrounds. My GUESS is if you double the power of 5 channels you will gain around 8-10db (potential mind you). I personally wouldn’t bi amp if you’re just using the avr for power. When you bi amp instead of doing 7.1 your engaging those 6th and 7th channels into the fronts and thus pulling power from all the channels to do it (so you won’t see a 3db increase). I know the manual probably says it’s rated at 7.1 all channels driven but that’s never the case. You have way more power to go around just using 5 channels.

I would look at a sub before an amp. A sub will blow your mind compared to no sub. Here are two subs that are under 1k and will work very well in your set up. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQjBAwBA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hsuresearch.com%2Fproducts%2Fvtf-15h.html&ei=dHdiTsrdFeKLsgLW6cidCg&usg=AFQjCNH-OR4nycbtbfapaAYAHOhSDlvkHw http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQjBAwBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.epiksubwoofers.com%2Fempire.html&ei=mXdiTtTHLe3LsQKRiuHPCg&usg=AFQjCNH9Cuyd944FEtg3SG9BVij9jYaqrA

Are you sure the XPA-5 will give him "reference and above levels?" {EDIT: It looks like it could in a small to medium HT} What are reference levels to you (80db)? I have a small room but I would think 100db would be pretty easy of course that’s with the subs going to. I usually run at -17db tops but I don’t have it set up to reference at 0. I’m guessing I hit reference at about -25db or less. Xpa-5 works pretty good imo

IMO, yes since they are very efficient speakers @ 'sensitivity' of 101dB. Enjoy! btw., many congratulations for RF-7 IIs... Pite, you have some very nice speakers but a lower end Denon is not doing your Home Theater justice...I am a Denon fan but neither your AVR 28XX or his AVR33XX is rated to drive speakers with low impedance dips that the RF-7s are reported to have, much less 2 pair of them and an RC-64. They may sound nice at low volume but if you ever raise it above 75 dB your HT will come ALIVE with more power. I agree even though klipsch has high sensitivity levels that doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story. All speakers have different resistance (impendence/ohms) levels at different frequency points. From my understanding the rf-7 has a few dips that go very low (the lower the harder on the amp). Having even two can give a basic avr a tuff time at louder levels. But to run 4 plus other speakers that would be tuff on even a high end avr imo.

Did you sell you ed subs? And if you don’t want to put it out there mind pm me about what happened with them for a heads up.

Are you running a sub? What kind? Are you using the crossover in your avr for the speakers? And what are you crossing over at?

He will get an increase of that per pair of speakers I believe. I would guess close to 8-10db. The big thing will be the quality of the sound when he’s watching at reference and above levels.

Very nice let me know how you like them. The stand top is 6.5” (W) x 8” (D) 36 “ (H)

That may be a tough one! What color did you end up getting? Cherry our black? I got cherry I wanted to mix it up a little (plus I think those are the ones on sale) I’m looking at these stands 36” http://www.standsandmounts.com/vtirfseriescastiron36inchspeakerstandsrf36.aspx

Do you know a good place for stands about 40” tall?

I would they are awesome! I like them a lot..."acoustic sound design" had then on sale for $399.00. I am getting 2-3 pair. He is also a official klipsch dealer so you get the warranty. Free shipping? Just ordered a pair!!! Now I have to find some stands at least 40” high[]

I would they are awesome! I like them a lot..."acoustic sound design" had then on sale for $399.00. I am getting 2-3 pair. He is also a official klipsch dealer so you get the warranty. Free shipping?

Like these look nice and are about the right height http://www.standsandmounts.com/woodtechnology42inchfurniture-gradehardwoodspeakerstandsfgh-42oakorebony.aspx

Best bookshelf stands that are at least 40” high and can hold the RB-62II? Price vs value

I’m thinking about the RB-61ii for rears.