[why the Heritage line has faded?]

I didn't end up with LaScalas because of a sentimental attachment to old speakers. I ended up with them precisely for one of cornfed's points. Nothing filled my large room like them! Add to that the value of the used market. I don't know if there are ANY options for the $1400 I spent on three LaScala that could give me what they do? Certainly nothing new, and likely a small handful of used.

Tony you have an amazing set up and no doubt put a ton of

time and work into it. And for your behind the screen set up it’s a perfect

match. I wouldn’t be able to pull off

the center speaker but if I had your set up I’m sure I would be 100% satisfied.

My comment about sentimental attachment isn’t meant to mean in every case. I also

agree on the used market they are some of the great value speakers of all time.

Your front row new would run (3) $9,000 would you have paid that? And if you didn’t

would it be because you don’t care about sound as much as someone who paid 2k

for them 20 years ago?

[why the Heritage line has faded?]

Guys I’m honestly a little

surprised that so many longtime members on here have posted that people don’t care

as much about sound as a big part of the reason that klipsch Heritage has faded.

If I have learned anything on these forums

(avs ,blu ray.com, ect) is that people

care a lot. Why else would they even waste their time on here? In the 60s and

70s if you wanted hi end sound you had to buy those kinds of speakers. Biggest

difference now is you don’t.

[why the Heritage line has faded?]

No doubt they sound amazing. They just don’t offer a value

for their cost that is equal or greater than the competition. If they did they

would sell them in stores and not just to people that have a sentimental

attachment for the old klipsch speakers (they would also sell for more than 1/8^th

the cost on used market). Music is the same way, we all like the music we like

but to say that it’s better because it’s your favorite would be misplaced. Yes tvs

and speakers are apples and oranges but the idea is that people aren’t satisfied

with their movie playing cell phones and iPods! They want a big screen hd tv on

the wall that looks amazing. Just because the way we listen to music has

changed doesn’t mean people don’t like music as much. Yes 20 years ago we

bought an album and played it over and over because it was all we had. So we

became attached to the band, music, and the speakers we played it on. Now we

can download a thousand different songs online in 5min and not even know what

band is playing. Look at car audio now vs the 70s it’s night and day not even

close in sound quilty like hd vs non hd in comparison. My point is people DO care

just as much about sound as ever. Below is a link to blu ray.com community. Look

at these set ups!! And tell them that they don’t care as much about sound as

you. What I’m hearing is a basic “kids these days don’t know anything” (about

sound) which is absolutely 100% bs!

http://www.blu-ray.com/community/

[why the Heritage line has faded?]

Speaker design 101 is

still used today as it was 50 years ago but there are many things like materials

and technology advancements that have changed the rules. I think it’s just too

easy to say that people don’t care about sound like they used to. I couldn’t disagree more. People are just are

able to find it in other ways. You don’t need to buy Heritage looking speakers

to have amazing sound. When the only speakers on the market had the wide style design

of course that’s what people are going to buy. Look at tvs this is a great

example of progress in technology. Would any anybody on here say that people don’t

care about picture quality like they used to? That’s just silly people want quality

that’s why they got rid of their old square tvs and got hd flat panels. I know that tv advancement is bigger than

speakers but it’s just a great example that people do care. The average home

today will probably have a better cd stereo somewhere in the home than the one

box record player that was in most homes in the 70s. Look at cars they used to

get 10mpg now they make cars that get 50mpg. Do people not care as much as they

used to? No disrespect but that just seems like a copout.

[why the Heritage line has faded?]

I posted this on the

klipsch avs forum in response to a little debate that arose about why Heritage

line has faded from stores and talks on forums. I spent so long typing it out I

thought I would post it here as well. This is a pretty big debate that I have

seen pop up so many times. Here is my 2 cents on why the Heritage line has faded.

Owners of Heritage speaker will usually say that they wouldn’t trade or sell

them for anything (strange they always seem like they are available used for a

fraction of their cost but so are reference speakers), and the other side is normally

saying that they are too big (if that’s even possible) or ugly. Comparing them

to mid-level reference line stuff (like rf-62ii or even rf-82ii) is apples to oranges.

First Heritage speakers are way more expensive. Yes the Heresy III are only

1600(which is still 500 more than the rf-82ii, and almost twice the cost of the

rf-62ii) but the Heresy III is more of a mini Heritage speaker (almost the

large bookshelf of the line). The cheapest full size Heritage speaker costs $3,750

a pair the Cornwall III (next is $6,000 for La Scala II, and then$8,000 for the

mighty khorns). So unless someone wants to buy used, which a lot of people won’t

(1. People want their money spent on new gear not someone else’s old stuff regardless

of the value. 2. Most don’t know enough about this stuff to know what to buy,

and the list goes on and on). Really the only reference line speaker they make

or made that even compares to the Heritage line would be the rf-7, rf-83, or

the rf-7ii. And even those are cheaper than any full size Heritage. I also think

the fact that they don’t put them in stores to much anymore kind of tells the

story a little bit. If these speakers could sell in stores they would be in

most klipsch stores (Like they used to be). We can try to speculate why they wouldn’t

sell (too big? Look like they are from

that 70s show? Or maybe they don’t look and sound as good as the speakers next

to them that cost $6,000 or less?). It’s the HT age of home audio (2 channel is

almost like vinyl).Now this isn’t saying one speaker sounds better than another

cause that’s taste but If a store put the La Scala II ($6,000) next to rf-7ii ($3,200)

and I mean this in the nicest way especially to the La Scala owners. But if

people had to pick one of the two imo i think 10/10 people would buy the rf-7ii

and save $2,800(And to be honest even if the La Scala II cost the same 3200 imo

the 7s would still out sell them). Then

you put other speakers like rf-82ii or rf-62ii for 1k or less in the mix and I don’t

think the Heritage speakers even gets a 2^nd look for those prices. Heritage

speakers are amazing speakers, i remember when they were in every store that

sold klipsch (I’m 37) so whenever I heard the name klipsch I always thought of Heritage.

I just think they went out of style more than anything. It’s hard to compete

with new age looking stuff that costs half as much and still blows you away. I also

think that klipsch keeps the lineup partially in respect to paul klipsch. Just my

opinion on why they have fallen off the map here in the US. *** note all prices are retail, and all other

info is my opinion only***

[Klipsch Subwoofers]

sorry, my response was garbled, i had just woken up, i vow to let my brain wake up before typing . I did fix my response.

Sub placement in of itself is a true art. As CECAA850 said, a crappy sub in optimal placement can out perform the high dollar sub thats in a "meh" location. I was viewing placement as a 3-dimensional view of taking into consideration versatility in multiple locations. I wanted to bring to light that although a completely front firing/ported sub make easy placement in many more locations than downfiring, sidefiring, rearfiring etc it may also not be the best sub for your room. In a case of the situation we have here, downfiring may not have been the best solution but they may not necessarily be ruled out as there may be a fix.

I would disagree and say the easiest sub to place if

anything would be a down firing sub because you can place it anywhere in any

direction.

[Klipsch Subwoofers]

The most versatile sub you can buy is a simple single front firing driver in a sealed enclosure, this always cabinet placement and it can really be put anywhere and sealed cabinets are typically smaller than ported.

I really didn't understand this statement, especially the "this always cabinet placement" part. If you're saying that sealed subs are more versitile as far as placement goes as opposed to other configurations then I would disagree. Ideal placement is more a product of the room and the subs interaction with the room than the type of sub used. Subs can't be put just anywhere. Well, I guess they can be, but they can't be placed just anywhere and then be considered to be in the "ideal" spot. The ideal asthetic placement spot is rarely, if ever, the ideal spot for optimal sub performance in regards to room interaction. You can take a cheap sub and place it in the correct spot in a room and can outperform (at the listening position) a sub costing many times more if it's placed in the wrong spot.

Agreed front, side, rear, and down firing subs all have the

same versatility. In fact the main reason they make subs front loaded is for cosmetic

reasons. svs for example changed from down firing to front and said the reason

they changed was people wanted to be able to see the driver, and other than

that there was no advantage. Placement is the key. As mentioned bad subs in

the right spot can outperform good subs

in bad spots. Sealed and ported do have

advantages over each other but that becomes more output and taste then placement.

Most audiophiles will tell you ported are easier to place but its pretty close.

[Old RF 7 or new RF 82 II]

Hi,

any opinions to this question?

I can get "old" used RF 7 for a good price - near the price for the new RF 82 II.

What will be the better choice for a home cinema setup.

Currently I'm replacing my old setup (Teufel) with Klipsch and i started with the center RC 62 II -> I'm absolutely happy with this center ;-)

Now I have to find the best matching front box (and will continue with the rest afterwards - step by step)

THANX!

The 82s are nice but as mentioned above the rf-7 are

amazing. Imo they are the ultimate HT speaker. But if you are buying used

condition of them is important. Also you can get rf-82ii for a lot less then

retail. You can find them for 700-800 if you wait for a sale. Comes down to

what you want. Will you be happy with good or do you have to have amazing.

[]

Also as mentioned the rc-62ii is a perfect match to the

rf-82ii.

[Old RF 7 or new RF 82 II]

Hi,

any opinions to this question?

I can get "old" used RF 7 for a good price - near the price for the new RF 82 II.

What will be the better choice for a home cinema setup.

Currently I'm replacing my old setup (Teufel) with Klipsch and i started with the center RC 62 II -> I'm absolutely happy with this center ;-)

Now I have to find the best matching front box (and will continue with the rest afterwards - step by step)

THANX!

The 82s are nice but as mentioned above the rf-7 are

amazing. Imo they are the ultimate HT speaker. But if you are buying used

condition of them is important. Also you can get rf-82ii for a lot less then

retail. You can find them for 700-800 if you wait for a sale. Comes down to

what you want. Will you be happy with good or do you have to have amazing.

[]

Also as mentioned the rc-62ii is a perfect match to the

rf-82ii.

[Lot's of new toys the last few weeks!]

Very nice you will love the empires

great subs

[Home Theatre Mods]

I posted that pic over at the eD forum. Alex commented in the thread and emailed me. His email was: "just saw the post of your room on the form. THAT'S AMAZING!!!" end quote. Lol ... I am currently working with him on designing 2 custom sized subs for the front of the room. ... As well as some possible port chuffing issues. Still trying to determine if something is loose or it's actual chuffing.

When I bought my last sub (empire) that ED sub was one of
many I looked at. I read hundreds of posts. And the port chuffing issues was
the main reason I crossed the sub off my list. I was replacing a sub that had
the same problem. I talked to Alex on the blu ray forums a little about it. I’m
not saying it’s a bad sub I just hate port chuffing. The only ported subs I have
heard that don’t have port chuffing is SVS. (Inside the box it’s like pipe
organs that curve up in back pretty awesome looking inside)The one I have you
can just about pop the driver out of the box and the port don’t make even a
peep of noise even if you over drive it. So it can be done if the design is right
inside the box. But I realize the price difference is about $650 so it is a
little apples to oranges.

[To XPA-3 or not to XPA-3]

I am going to buy an emotiva during their July 4th sale. I was leaning towards the xpa-3 because I think my onkyo will handle the surrounds just fine. My only thought is The price difference is so small. $699 for 600 watts ... Or $900 for 1000 watts. I mean your paying $233 per channel for the xpa-3 vs $180 per channel for the xpa-5. Buy in bulk! Lol. So I think I'll be going xpa-5. Unless emotive is having a killer deal on the xpa-3.

Nothing wrong with the xpa-3 but I would spend the extra
money and have the same power on all the speakers. I think whatever amp you get
you will be happy with emo makes great amps. When I bought mine I still had my
rf-82 set up, and was still waiting for the new speakers I ordered (rf-7ii set
up) to come in. so I hooked it up to the rf-82(rc-62,rs-52) set up and wow it
was like I got new speakers. imo huge upgrade.

[Battle: Los Angeles]

Watched it last night good movie awesome sound.

[RC-64 II Speaker Placement Woes]

Is there any possibility to put the center above the tv? I guess

when I see the pics that might answer my questions. Sub makes a good point about the crossover. I run

my rc-64ii as large but mine isn’t 12” to the ground. The floor will act like a

type of bass horn and will enhance the bass. So moving the crossover up might help

a little but that speaker shouldn’t sound muddy.

[A Little Help with Crossover settings]

I have tried everything and i like keeping them at full

range. Not so much for how it makes the 7s sound but how my subs sound with

this setting. I seem to get to much mid bass and vibrations when the subs get a

hotter signal from going the small route. Might be because I run 3 subs in a

small room. I would try all these ideas and whatever sounds best to you keep. But

I wouldn’t just A B it I would try one way for a few days then another and see

how you like it. A B can start to all mesh together for me.

[Do my 2ch settings look right?]

I dont even know what 44.1Khz even means I only changed it cause i read it somewhere.

Would changing the hz(on the ps3) make cds sound different?

[RF-7 II binding post]

For banana plug into rf-7 II, do I need to mod binding posts?

There’s a small cap on top that pops off (small knife works)

[Home Theatre Mods]

reference_head,

So the RS line can be mounted on stands? I assumed they were only rear mountable and therefor inappropriate for my room. I may have to look into the RS line a little more. Once I sell a set of floorstanders that is.

I had the rs-52 on stands sounded great to me. Imo I would

pic the rs-52 or 62 over any RB speaker. Maybe others can give their opinion.

[Home Theatre Mods]

First thing very nice job! I’m sure you put plenty of man hours into

those projects and it looks great. As youth said I don’t think I would have

ever thought of that type of sub set up but it looks great, and in that size

room I’m sure it sounds great. It’s hard to keep track what speakers you have

all had down there but one thing I will say as far as surrounds goes. If you haven’t

tried the RS line yet even in a set up like that with one on the side wall and

the other on a stand (or both on stands) on the other side the rs-52 or rs-62

would imo outperform bookshelf speakers. Even though I’m sure the RB line would

still sound good. I think with a non-direct speaker (RSline) in a smaller room you

will gain a bigger more spacious sound with the RS line I wouldn’t go smaller

than the rs-52 I have owned the 42, 52, and 62.

[Home Theatre Mods]

Jason,

http://community.klipsch.com/forums/t/150181.aspx

Now your getting rid of your 63's and 62II's? I can't keep up any more. All this is driving me nuts.

Say it ain't so.

Bill

Your selling them (rf-63) what are you going to get?

[Home Theatre Mods]

Willland,

Thanks. I can tell you that my biggest "oh shxx that sounds awesome" moment came when I switched from my rc52ii to the rc64ii. Got this smile on my face that I could wipe off! I have a few more pics to post and I am in the process of moving my AVR to a new cabinet so I have yet to run the initial setup on all the new equipment. When that is done I am guessing it will sound great.

The rc-64ii is amazing I can tell you that you get that same

smile when you hear the rf-7ii. (At least I do) I’m sure the rf-63s sound good

also.

[]

['sup with x.2 Home Theater?]

Most subs have crossover and phase controls so being able to

control the subs from the avr has become less important. Example my older Sony

ES avr had 2 sub outs my new one that costs twice as much only has one. Some of

the new ones that have a bass eq in them for 2 subs can be very useful. But really imo the best tool is a bass eq

system like what I use (sms-1). I run a 5.3 system and getting the bass just

right to me was the hardest part. I noticed parts that would vibrate the room

and sound out of place I wasn’t able to get rid of it tell I got the sms-1. Every

room has that certain bass frequency that needs taming. I think most people

just brush it off like it was the movie or something because not all movies do

it. The first time i ran a bass sweep and looked at the screen I was like wow

what a roller coaster. Below is a pic of what I have now using. (Sms-1)

[Can RS-52 placement work in this room?]

Well I used to have mine on stands when I didn’t have a good

side wall to put them. You could try that and what you said. I think you can be

pretty creative with the RS line and still get pretty good results. Being that

they don’t require direct line to your ears to sound good. Their designed to bounce

of walls to create a sound stage.

[Can RS-52 placement work in this room?]

That will sound good not the best possible placement but

that will work

[Hello to all, need a little help on picking a speaker]

Great choice I’m sure you will love them. Good luck on your

search shouldn’t be too hard to find some that are in good shape.[]