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This has been a very informative discussion and I would like to give thanks to everyone who participated, for the their comments and shared information. This type of discussionis is a must read for other newcomers to HT and 2 Channel Audio. This knowledge is invaluable for making upgrades and purchasing decisions on speaker, audio equipment and home theater construction. I now have a better understanding of the role of power amps, speaker selection and the limitation of a given system.
Now I understand how the RF 83 mentioned in my original post was damaged, even though it has a great power handeling capacity, RMS 250W/1200W peak. The damaged was caused by over excrusion of the drive/cone or heat. It may have been a combination of both of these factors and a expensive lesson to learn regarding power management. Here is a little clip from the above link in one of the post.
Secrets of Amplifier and Speaker Power
Requirements RevealedBut things begin to change, and rather
dramatically. Let's push the M80ti's to what we might experience from
a solo grand piano, 109 dB. We're at 96 dB with 10 watts per channel.
Let's go to 106 dB. So that requires 10 x 10, or 100 watts. Close,
but not quite there yet. Just 3 dB more. Remember, we have to double
the power for a 3-dB increase in sound level. So 100 watts becomes
200 watts. Yikes! Our receiver has only 110 watts maximum output!
We've run out of amplifier power! And what about the rock concert?
Let's lower our expectations and aim for 119 dB. Going from 109 dB
SPL, which needs 200 watts per channel, to 119 dB SPL (get out your
ear plugs) is another 10-dB jump and--you do the math--that requires
10 x 200, or 2,000 watts per channel!
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l Thanks for the link on SPL Calculations. The temporary threshold shift I think most of us have experienced this firsthand. A key point to draw from that article is respect your hearing and consider what is an appropiate levels of loudness. This will protect your hearing and your equipment. I think, I will take this adivce, so that I don't have to keep getting louder systems; I just cannot afford the Palladium Series, lol.
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I have a fairly simple question with a
more complex answer. How many watts of power am I using when I
listen to my system at -30 db or at reference level? I keep
hearing that the Klipsch speakers are so effiecient and it does not
require as much power to drive them. I see a lot of members
use power amps to increase the headroom for their systems. I
recently seen on the forum where a member damaged a RF 83 rated 250W
RMS/ 1000W Peak. He had the speaker attached to a power amp and
fried the voice coil or caused physical damage from playing the
speaker to loud. Those are much better speakers than I have and
my speakers get very loud. My speakers are not even close to the
rated power handeling load of the RF 83's.I have ran across post
where some people are saying they are only using 20-40 watts of power
for normal listening with there speakers. I know in general
larger speakers are more efficient and lounder at a given avr setting
than a smaller speaker. I would like to hear some other members
take on this issue. I am a newbie to the forum and consider
this as part of my learning process. Let's not consider the
Heritage line of speaker in this discussion; they seem to be in a
separate category when discussing power issues.
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Thanks mustang, I turned the LEF in the avr for zero to minus 10 and turned the x-over to 180. This improved the fidenity of the sound. The overall volume stayed the same! This will be nicer for jazz and classical music.
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I am fairly new to the forum and welcome the opinion of other member and thank you for your comments. I tried the LPF as high as it would go and like it set lower. I have not tried disableing it and letting the avr do all the work. I will try this for music, HT is not a problem since I am not looking for the same type of fidelity which I notice more with music. I will let you know how this works and thanks for the advice.
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This is a great deal for newcomers to HT and a great step- up form HTIB or lesser quality brands at that price. I have the icon V series paired up with a Pioneer SC 35 and the sound for music and HT is excellent. The V series as a quick respone and fidelity for music. My HT is paired up with a 15in sub and I have all the bass one could want. I broke a glass shit on a nearby shelf today pushing the systen to reference level for the first time today. I think I need an isolation board for the sub, lol.The Pioneer MCACC has such great control of room acoustics that I do not see it has overkill for the speakers. I got the avr for less than half price new. Due to the power of the avr, no need for an amp. I did audition the RF series and which is slightly more refine and definetly more power, but for the difference in cost, I choose the Icon series.
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My recommendation were made on the assumption you still have the RB 35s'.
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I wonder if you moved the front height speakers to the back and the and put the RB 51 on stands for your front stage. I think the stronger speaker should be in the front. More sounds and dialogue is in the front stage for movies, and the rears and, surrounds are for effects. This will also work better for music.
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You can always use the small speakers for a while until you can talk the wife into letting you spend more money, lol. Just be careful not to push things to hard and set your x-over based on the quintets frequency reponse (120-150 Hz) and use the sub for now.
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I have no experience with the Quintet series. I do have the Klipsch HT 500 and it is a really nice satellite system. The sub is also great. Because I will be upgrading my system, I will need to part with my HT 500 set in the near future.
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No, I do not listen at reference level because it will eventually kill my hearing, lol. As far as getting rid of the boomy sound from the bass, that is why it is recommend to set all the speakers to small. The crossover control for the receiver is digital in most case and analog at the speakers. Digital is faster than analog so phase problems occur when setting your mains to large for some rooms. Also the LFE is a separate channel in your system and also handles the bass from the other speakers. Some people think the LFE channel is the same as bass and this is not entirely true. The LFE channel carries frequenceis below 120 Hz. What helps, especially with music is to turn down the crossover on the subwoofer down. Some bass is directional above 60 Hz. Also turning up the crossover on the sub to 180 or all the way to the max can cause some midrange to also be sent to the sub. Remember this is AV sicence, so time to do some tinkering. Room placement is a critical factor, that why some people are better off with one sub and not multiple sub. If you use more than one sub, that is why people recommend using two identical sub to help with phase issues. Also changeing settings to far from autocalibration will throw the system off balance and using to loud a volume.
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Hello, I also own the V serie and really like there performance for HT and music. I have mine paired up with and Acoustic Audio 15in. sub. It sound great. I like this sub over my Klipch 10 in sub and it is under $300. I don't think there are many better subs in that price range. Reviews are on the Blue-ray forumn.
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I am new to the forumn and have not heard a Khorn or the Heritage line. But, I know they are highly chersied by Klipsch owners. Those are beautiful and I can just imagine the sound! Congratulation!!
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The F 20 may work in your system and leave a little extra money to go for a sub or Pioneer avr. I like the Pioneer's because power is not an issue and the autocalibration is excellent for room correction. For HT a good sub is a must to enjoy the bangs and explosions. It will also make music listening more enjoyable. Since center channel dialogue is a problem in a lot of HT, I think the F 20 may work better due to slightly lower volume in your front stage . Symmetry and balance is the key to a good HT. Good luck and enjoy the tweek and experimentation to get the sound that please you.
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I like the bookshelf choices. The W and X series are really classy and look nice. They pair up well with a sub and will sound great. The R series may be a little fuller in sound and also look nice. Pick one, you can't go wrong. The room seems a bit small for towers.
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Yes, these speakers are very crisp and clear. I certainly enjoy my music much more since I purchased the V series. You will never find brand new Klipsch at these prices. It is a great deal at these closeout prices. I am glad to here from othe V series people and seeing how they setup their system. But, they need a sub to complete the setup for improved performance.
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I demo the K series for close to a month and the the V series which i kept. The K series is slighly louder but no improved quality in sound and the V's were so much cheaper. I can go up a db or 2 and saved a ton of money. I really like my V series in a 9.1 setup.
Pioneer Eleite SC 35
Klipsch VF 35 mains
Klipsch VS 14 Front Height
Klipsch VS 14 surrounds
Klipsch VB 15 surround back
Klipsch VC 25 center
AA RW15 sub
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Nice speakers, when I first read about the Icon Series, Klipsch's describe the W series as classic beauty with great performance. The Icon X was said to be contempory beauty and great performance and the V series as value driven performance. Due to the size of the Icon series, subs are needed to help get the full range of bass. Enjoy their sound and visual presence!
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That is what the Front Height speaker do, work kinda as an extra presence speaker for the mains. Only if a movie is encoded for front height's will you get it's own special effects. Some other blue-rays will localizetu certain parts of a movie to the height channel if your system can make use of the spatial imaging data encoded in the movie. But, Front Height channel will give you more of an effect than the rear surround backs. I did not think that I would like it so much, but now it is one of my favorite movie modes.
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I use front height speaker and have used bookshelf and the wide dispersion speakers for that purpose. They both work well for front height. Personally I like the wide dispersion speakers due to asthetic, and since they are for adding a vertical dimension to the front stage. The should not be to powerful compared the your mains. I really like my 9.1 setup for movies. The setup plays well to the wide array of blue-ray and dvd formats.
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Thanks everyone for your comments and suggestions. The verdicit is in, upgrade speakers for the best bang for your bucks. Since I like these speakers, they will end up downstairs where I have a lonely 51 in Plasma 3D TV. I will consider RB 81 across the front paired with 2 subs. That would make a nice front stage. My wife will not go for larger towers. I will stay with a 9.1 or 9.2 setup. This setup is great for blue-rays, dvd and tv. I know the avr is a bit on the high end but BB had it on closeout for $729, so I could not pass that deal up, lol. I am learning a lot from this forum. Time to start looking for deal.
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I have a Icon V series HT (VF 35, VC 25, VS 14, VS 15 and a RW 15 sub) and a Pioneer SC 35 Elite receiver for my HT setup. The receiver has a class D amp at 140 watts x 7 continuous and the speaker are rated 100-400 watts VF 35 and 50-200 watts VS 14. My questions are the following:
1) Can I benefit from a power amp
2) If I can, what type and how much power
3) I do not want to damage the receiver or speaker
My setup is a 9.1 with the VS 14's as front height and surrounds, and the VB 15's as surround back. I see lot of people on this forum with power amps but they have larger speaker that have more headroom for power. I was told that the reciever has a peak around 280 watts/channel. Comments and suggestions are appreciated.
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I have a Pioneer Elite SC 35 avr with 140watt continous power rating over 7 channels. Each channel has a class D amp. I have a 9.1 setup. I have Klipsch Icon V series HT setup (VF 35, VC 25, VS 14, VB 15 and a 15in RW sub). The speakers are rate 100-400 for towers and 75-200 on the surrounds. If I were to get a power amp would it be beneficial ; I am guessing the avr has a peak around 280-300. My question are the following:
1) what type of amp and with how much power
2) which speakers to amp
3) dangers to speaker, and avr
Comments and suggestions appreciated.
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Sometime I think people put to much emphasis on the speaker and not enough on the avr or amps. Afterall, the avr/amp is the heart and brains of the system. Don't get me wrong, speaker are a key element of any system : )
Klipsch VF 35 Fronts
Klipsch VC 25 center
Klipsch VS 14 Front Height
Klipsch VS 14 Surrounds
Klipsch VB 15 Surround Back
AA RW 15 SUB
Klipsch HT 500 for rec room
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I notice when I watch cable tv that the volume for comfortable listening is different than when I am playing music. I use -30 for tv. Blue-ray, dvd, internet radio, and music (cd/mp3) I get a similar volume at -40-50. Is this a normal finding? I use multiple channels for tv and music.