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Since I purchased my Denon we have moved. Our room is considerably bigger and more open. I wonder if the extra 10 to 20 wpc would be noticeable? I also noticed the Yamaha 1060 is considerably heavier than the 860. There seems to be a beefier power supply as well as better specs on the amp. I have to wonder if the is noticeable and or worth the money?

I am considering replacing my AVR-X2100. I have had it almost 2 years and it has been buggy. Particularly with the Wifi, internet radio, Airplay. Most recently I have been getting minor flickering with my HDMI switching. I am considering Yamaha 860 or 1060 as well as the great deals going on with the Onkyo 810. It seems the Onkyo only has single seating position sound calibration while the Yamaha has multiple. I have had both Yamaha and Onkyo in the past with slightly better luck on the Yamaha end. I am driving a 5.1 system with RF 62 for fronts and RC62 center and Inceling klipsch reference surrounds. Thoughts? I found some really great prices on east coast TV website on the Yamaha's. Any experience from this retailer?

My Denon AVR2100x has been very unreliable as far as wifi, Ethernet, BT, and recently Airplay. AirPlay gets static sounding when I move just a few feet away from the avr. Just the other day I could not get the AVR to Conner via NT to my new iPhone 7. The iPhone connects perfectly to my car and Bose bt speaker. Anyway I am looking to move to a different avr that will suit my needs better. I am looking at Yamaha aventage series or an onkyo. I am running RF62, RC62, reference in ceiling surrounds, SVS PC2000 x1. Budget is $750. Who seems to have the best connectivity currently? I like Yamaha but seem to get more power and thx cert. on the onkyo for less money.

I am getting some light pressure that my RF 62's take up space in the living room. Currently I am using Klipsch CTD 5650's for surrounds. I was wondering if anyone has experienced a full five channel set up in the ceiling? How effective is a total inceiling system? Not sure if I would pick up 3 more 5650"s or what. It is nice I can angle the tweeter. I have a single PC2000 for a sub.

That's a great price. Only worry I would have is the actual shipping. Was it an authorized dealer (warranty)?

Yes. I picked up my Denon for 399 from crutchfield. I would like to buy from them again as returns are easy. They have been good to me over the years

Quiet_Hollow, Thank you for the in-depth notes on the Elite. Very informative. I will have to keep a look out for deal if I decide to move up from my Denon. New models coming out soon so probably some good discounts coming.

What I find interesting about some reviews on sound and vision is that often the test bench results come up short on Yamaha compared to other brands. For instance s 80wpc Denon was tested at 69wpc @ 8 ohms, 5 channel continuous power. A Yamaha rated at 140 wpc tested at 46wpc under the same specs. I understand what you wrote but wonder what is with Yamaha on the test bench?

I have looked at some reviews on the listed AVR's. The SC 91 seems to have complaints on a clumsy set up and Mobil app is to be desired. Also notes on a general buggy software. No complaints in power and once set up and personal touches are made people seem to be happy with the room correction. Onkyo Z800 does not seem to up convert to 4K. Great power output seems to be the consensus. Onscreen menus seem to be lacking. Respectable reviews on their room correction. Lacks specific subwoofer eq. Yamaha 1050 seems to offer a nice rounded package. Bench tests seem to show a weaker amp compared to similar rated onkyo, denon, and pioneer but seems to be the cleanest rated. Yamaha shares the same D/A converter? Highly rated one at that? Yamaha seems to offer the best onscreen menu interface and least buggy software. Room correction seems on par with Onkyo. No specific subwoofer EQ. Thoughts on the HDCP 2.2. I have to think the future of video will be streamed like what has mostly happened with music. With that being said services such as Netflix being streamed on the TV and sendin ARC to the AVR for sound, I have to wonder if 2.2 is just something the industry is scaring people into? I can see myself buying a 4K TV and using my AVR to up convert blu ray. In theory 2.2 may not be a big deal after all?

Interesting responses. Not to sound ignorant but my past experience with pioneer was the typical stuff found on the best buy shelf.....not high end stuff by any means. I also purchased a Pioneer 25 disc cd changer years ago. I looked up a review of the SC 89 on sound and vision and the test bench results. It seemed like a strong showing. On another note It seems like Yamaha does not fair well on test bench results. I mostly look at the 8 ohm five channel 0.1 continuous results. For what that is worth. The sound correction sounds like a good set up. I like the dual sub eq. I may be picking up a second PC 2000 down the road. I am going to have to keep the SC 91 on my radar and maybe demo it at home when the time comes.

I have noticed there are a lot of fan of the Pioneer Elite AVR's. I have been giving some thought to getting a new AVR. What makes many of all such a fans over other brands? I look at the specs of the amp (SC91) and notice they rate at 130wpc but at 1khz and not full spectrum like others. Why offer a different measurement that Onkyo, Denon, Yamaha? I can see how the cooler running amp is appealing, but what gives with listing a limited spec? Is pioneer known to be a warm sounding AVR like a Marantz or Denon? How has the wifi connection been (support 5.8ghz band)? How is the room correction compare to Audyssey Silver? I thought I saw something that the Pioneer was more like the Odyssey XT (subwoofer eq). Like I said I may be shopping for a AVR because I am getting frustrated with wifi connectivity issues on my Denon. I am also interest in little more power. Currently my short list is a Yamaha 850 and 1050, Onkyo Z800. Although the Pioneer Elite 91 has a lot going on.

Similar to you we had a house built this summer. I used my RF-62-ii for the mains and a RC-62-ii for center from my old house. As for surrounds an inceiling speaker was my best option for looks and sound. I choose the Klipsch CTD-3650-Cii because like you stated before you do not want the highs simply pointing straight to the floor. These speakers tweeters swivel so you can aim it in your seating direction. I have been using them for about two months and have been pleased with them and would buy them again. Klipsch offers a mounting ring with straps that offers a fairly ridged mounting area the fits between the ceiling rafters. This is a better option to simply cutting a hole into sheetrock. Also I do believe they offer this speaker in an 8" woofer. http://www.crutchfield.com/p_714C3650C2/Klipsch-CDT-3650-C-II.html ​

Maybe check out Denon on Crutchfield. They have some good prices on left over X4100 and X2200. I really like my Denon but will admit not 100% satisfied with its internet wifi connection reliability. It might even be just an issue I am having. I believe the 2015 models have updates that should make it better in this department. There were some good reviews on last years S900 (basically a X2100) on sound and vision website to give you an idea how they perform.. Yamaha has a nice line of receivers in the Aventage series. There is some good prices on last years RX-A 1040 out there also.

I just saw this the other day also. It was the BR version. My Denon decoded it as Dolby Digital Master. Picture was great but there was some dialog issues for me. I had to turn on dialog level adjust and set it at -4.5 db. I checked other movies and did not have the same problem. Weird Great flick though. We saw it in theaters when it came out.

Wifi connection seemed to work last night without a problem. Maybe this will be an intermitent problem. I wonder if I go a long periods (few days) without using wifi on the AVR it looses signal?​ I guess I will just have to keep an eye on it.

I hear you. I have had this AVR since March/April. I doubt Crutchfield would be able to do anything being it is so far out of their 60 day. We will see how it performs this evening. If I end up sending it down the road I would be looking at a Yamaha RX-A750 or RX-A1040. I like the power specs and price of the 1040 but wonder if the newer HDCP 2.2 matters to me? I would like to move to a 4K tv in a year or so.

Here is a pic of the toe in. Look how the speaker sits vs the line on floor

Ok, some more experimenting this morning: I turned on DHCP in the network settings. I unplugged the AVR, Router, and extender for about 5-10 min. I tried to reconnect with SUCCESS to the main router NOT the extender. I have been playing Pandora almost 2 hours without incident. However, will turn off AVR until this evening and retry it. I do suspect this evening it will not work completely or for a short time and then quit. Its funny when wifi goes out I can work around by using Bluetooth from my iPhone using the network that the AVR cannot seem to connect to. On another note I reran Audyssey with some adjustments to the SW. I adjusted the SW volume to around 10 o'clock and got the level from -10 to -4.5db. In the Speakers - Speaker - manual - speaker config I changed all speakers to Small. Also in the manual menu I changed the XO to 80hz all. I noticed if I go back to the Audyssey speaker menu it my setting do not seem to carry over from where I made adjustments in the manual menu. I assume my adjustments have been made and are playing and the Audyssey menu is just showing the results from the last test.

Firmware is up to date as of yesterday. Basically The denon will connect to pandora or any internet streaming and play for about 30 to 60 min. Then it drops connection. At this point it will not reconect even if I turn off the unit. In most cases it will reconnect the next morning without issue. My router is about 30 ft away and shows a 100% signal. I tried a wifi extender plugged into the wall directly behind it (both Ethernet cable and wifi) both ways dropped the signal. I even use an ipad connected to the same network in the same area as where the denon lost its connection and can surf the web. I have called my ISP and the maker of the router and extender and they cannot find issue. I have called Denon now twice also. They really do not seem to believe there could be a problem with the receiver. they didn't even now the 2100 will not pick up 5ghz wifi....I found that out on a Denon forum. Then receiver seems to always have done this but I simply thought it was Pandora itself. I should note this has happened it both my old house and the one we just moved into. I am going to call Denon and Crutchfield today. Thinking about trying a Yamaha or Onkyo.

Any of you have issues with internet connectivity with Denon? This 2100 has been a real PITA! I am even having issues with the extender and the wired connection. I have called Denon twice so far. Probably do it again tomorrow. I have tried two differnet routers, an Ethernet cable, and the wifi extender. I am almost to the point to buy a different receiver

Moving would be a problem when the little one starts to move. However It may be a different situation if we get the taller tv stand. Looking at this one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/whalen-furniture-high-console-tv-stand-for-flat-panel-tvs-up-to-65-cherry/1109908.p?id=1218222415310&

I think it is the photo. I chose the speaker spacing so it would not fire into the couch on the side. It barely accomplishes that. While that couch is a secondary viewing seat, if I were to move it I would have too much of a viewing angle. I have not put any thought into panels. Nothing has been hung up as of yet. I may have to look into that.

So I am getting my system honed in at the new house. I have so far upgraded my PB1000 to a PC2000. I have also had issues with wifi connectivity with my Denon. I have since bought a wifi extender that allows me to simply plug it into the wall and use an Ethernet cable from the unit to the Denon. So far so good. After some research I was hearing the Denon's wifi is weak.....anyway a cheap and easy fix. I have ran Audyssey: FL -7.0 FR -7.0 SW -10 SL -5.0 SR -5.5 Audyssey set my main speakers to large, center small, surrounds small. Center XO 80, surrounds 60hz, mains 40hz I changed all speakers to small with XO to 80hz. The SW port is firing in the corner about 12'' away. I read a Q & A on Audyssey and it seems I may want to lower the SW volume to around 9 or 10 o'clock thus allowing Audyssey to raise my SW trim to something closet to a -3.5db. At that point maybe bump it a couple db to preference. I do have one question as to toeing in my RF62's. How much?​ I am guessing I am around a 20 degree toe in now. Here is a pic of the set up. I know the tv is mounted a touch high for the center. The electricians mounted the outlet too high and I did my best to mount the tv as low as I could to not see the outlet covers. I am considering a taller tv stand that would get the center up about 6-9" higher and using this stand elsewhere. The surrounds are inceiling due to lack of mounting options. The PC2000 has been a huge upgrade! Much more powerful bass. I have not really got to test it as we have a newborn baby. ​

Here is some pics.

Delivered and set up. Here is the results from Audyssey: FL -7.0 FR -7.0 SW -10 SL -5.0 SR -5.5 I have the SW set at 12 o'clock. i assume when Audyssey goes through set up any preferences such as +10db for blue ray are meaningless? Audyssey set my main speakers to large, center small, surrounds small. Center XO 40, surrounds 60hz. I changed all speakers to small with XO to 60hz. The SW port is firing in the corner about 12'' away. My initial impression of the PC is great. It actually blends in fairly well for something this size. I have not listened to music yet but the short demo of Batman Begins on Netflix is very favorable. Much more impact than the PB1000.