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The remaining two PDF files. Apologies again for the inconvenience. Regards Darryl

Attached are hopefully the first lot of missing PDF files from my post. Regards Darryl

You're right and for some reason I can't get them to appear on the post although I've uploaded them. I've emailed the tech support people who manage the site and I hope they can help. Apologies. Darryl

My Klipsch/ Denon HT upgrade with PDF pics Hi Since my last post I've completed quite a serious upgrade: 1.Added second Velodyne HGS 15 2.Added 3 Channel Cinenova Grande amplifier for front 3 channels 3.Upgraded from Marantz DV 18 to Denon 2800 4.Upgraded Crestron to CNMSX-AV with additional capacity to control more devices. 5.Installed new rack 6.Installed dedicated 15amp power line for new amplifier 7.Installed dedicated 10amp power line for other devices 8.Used 20amp power cords wherever possible. As one can see from the pictures when you scroll through the PDF files, I've still got a very reasonable looking and fully functional family room. The addition of the new amplifier is a major improvement. People said I wouldnt notice the difference with the new amp as the speakers are so efficient that the Denon is hardly working at almost all sound levels. They're correct re how hard the Denon is not working but the difference in sound is really dramatic because of the increased headroom and power. I'd recommend separate amplifiers to anybody who really is looking for great HT sound. I can't believe the difference and I think its mainly as a result of the separate power supply and transformers. Regards Darryl This message has been edited by darrylp on 03-13-2002 at 02:50 AM

A while back I upgraded my RC3 to a RC7 which I was using with RF3s (later bought RF7s too) and it was a major major improvement. Bearing in mind that for HT the centre channel is the most important speaker, and based on my personal experience of both, I'd definitely say go with the RC7. Regards Darryl

Since my last post I've now completed the upgrade. I've added a second Velodyne HGS 15 and after much experimentation and despite all the alternative suggestions, I found that positioning the second sub in a mirror position to the first provided the best result. I'm aware that sub bass is supposedly non-directional and that the wavelength of deep base is supposed to cancel out the positioning idiosyncrasies but nevertheless theres no doubt (in my room) what the best position is. Secondly, I've added a Cinenova Grande 3 amplifier to the system. I'm using the Denon 5800 as a pre/processor for the RF-7s and for the RC-7 and the built in Denon amps for the surround and back four RF-3s. Again while the speakers are very efficient and the 170wpc of the Denon is more than sufficient, there's no doubt that with the monoblocks 300wpc of the Cinenova there's more headroom, the transients are better and the dialogue and sound is even crisper. Interestingly, after using the system (only used for HT) if you put a hand on the top of the amp, the heat generated by the centre monoblock is far higher than the two fronts (to be expected but nevertheless interesting to observe in practice). No other upgrade thoughts other than a proper rack. Regards Darryl

In a previous post I said I was thinking of adding a three channel amplifier for my RF-7s and RC-7 and using my Denon 5800 as preamplifier for the fronts and centre and to drive the surrounds and backs. I've arranged to test a Cinenova Grande 3 for a week and Ill be installing it on Friday. Has anybody had experience with this amplifier and Klipsch speakers? If so, I'd appreciate any advice or comments. I've also installed my second Velodyne HGS 15 and Ill write a report on the weekend after a little more experimentation with the position of the two subs. Thanks very much Regards Darryl

I'm using a Denon 5800 with plenty of power available (170watts into 8 Ohms per channel and a really enormous toroidal transformer) and I still find the Reference 7 speakers in a totally different league to the Reference 3 series. Theres no comparison at all. Having said all this, I'm shortly going to install separate amps for the three front channels and use the Denon as a processor for these. Regards Darryl

Gary I upgraded from RF-3s to RF-7s about two months ago. Firstly, however I upgraded the RC-3 to an RC-7 as I've always understood that for HT the centre speaker does the most work. The improvement was unbelievable and after a week's use improved even further. It was then apparent that the RF-3s just couldnt support the RC-7, so superior was the new bigger centre so I upgraded the fronts too. The sides and backs are still RB-3s and I've not found this a problem. I tried running the RF-7s as large as suggested by Ear and whilst they certainly are good I didnt find the sound as clean or crisp as when I ran them small (I had a Velodyne HGS-15 sub and last week added a second one). Personally I'd start with the centre and move on from there. Regards Darryl

Hi guys Firstly, once again thanks for the comments. I havent replied earlier because I was waiting for the delivery of the second Velodyne HGS-15 and it arrived at 7.30am today. Its hooked up with temporary connections so I can move the two subs around to establish the best spot. So far facing into the room on the side of the cabinet seems to be the optimal position however even in this position it seems to need the volume control higher than on the original sub. I'm feeding the second one directly from the outputs of the first and have the crossovers switched out. The instruction book mentions this extra volume requirement but I dont understand why? My screen is 10ft diagonally and I sit approx 14ft away. This gives me a really big picture which took a few days to get used to. The resolution of the projector is so good that used with DVDs or either of the two digital boxes, the picture is outstanding. Standard free to air broadcasts are however totally un-watchable as the quality of the analogue signal is not good enough to be watched from such a close position. Likewise the analogue cable service quality is occasionally marginal too. The Crestron is a programmable RF remote similar to the Philips Pronto however its far easier to write macros for, has a large colour screen and most importantly of all, activates the various units by IR transmitters physically attached to the individual components from a CPU box. This in turn provides what they call video sensors and these enable the CPU to know if the individual system components are on or off, the light tight shutters are open or closed and the screen is up or down. I used a Pronto previously and occasionally a component would be out of sequence and would be switched off by a macro when it should have been on and visa versa. My Crestron is programmed so one touches the screen and is presented with a choice of: 1.Either of the two tuners 2.The cable box 3.The DVD player 4.Either of the two VCRs or the HD Recorder. When you select an appropriate button, everything happens eg the screen is lowered, the shutters close, the Denon switches on and switches to both the correct input and to the appropriate sound mode, the Sony projector switches on and automatically selects the correct screen format (16:9 0r 4:3) and the correct input source and lastly the selected source component switches on and the Crestron screen changes to the appropriate screen to control that component. My apologies for the long answers but I did my best to truncate it while still retaining a logical flow (actually the Crestron is programmed to do a lot more but I'm sure everyones bored by now). Regards Darryl

Hi Monty Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Photoshop are two totally unrelated programs (although from the same company)and you should download the free Acrobat Reader as you'll undoubtedly need it in the future. Regards Darryl

Hello Firstly, thanks for the positive comments. Since I posted the info I've decided to upgrade various aspects and I've a second Velodyne HGS 15 sub on order and as soon a there's stock in the country (hopefully within the next 10 days), Ill have it installed. Then Im probably going to put in a Bryston 6B-ST to drive the fronts and centre channels. This'll only be done in February. Various people have suggested that because the Klipsch Ref 7 series are all so efficient Im not going to hear a difference with the Bryston but I've arranged a try it and see option with the dealer. Monty, in order to be able to correctly open and read a PDF file firstly you need Adobe Acrobat Reader installed on your machine. You can download it from here: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html Secondly, download the file and save it somewhere with easy access eg your desktop. Then right click on the file and a dialogue box will open with usually third from the top Open with . From here select choose program and then select Adobe Acrobat and at the bottom of this dialogue box is a square to tick which says: Always use the selected program to open this type of file Please tick this box and you should be in business. Hope this helps Regards Darryl

Below is an exact copy of the info I received from Denon Australia in PDF format. I posted it on the Denon 5800 forum too. Im also told the cost will be Australian $1499 plus freight to the Sydney Denon headquarters and that a technician will be here from Japan in April/May to do the updates. As its virtually a new top of the range amplifier with improved components, it sounds great. New DDSC-Digital Processor, for High-quality Sound Reproduction 1. 24-bit, 192-kHz Analog-to-Digital Conversion The upgrade-kit is capable of 24-bit, 96-kHz or 192-kHz A/D conversion, improving S/N and dynamic range by approximately 10 dB. 2. 24-bit, 192-kHz Digital Interface Receiver The upgrade-kit employs a total of four 24-bit, 192-kHz digital interface receivers, one for every two channels, enabling multichannel digital input through DENON Link or external digital input to perform at optimum potential. 3. New SHARC Dual 32-bit Floating Point DSPs The upgrade-kit uses a dual configuration of new SHARC21161 32-bit floating point DSPs from Analog Devices. Supports Latest Surround Sound 1. DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 + THX Post Processing By adding THX Post Processing to the localized sound and spatial expression of DTS-ES Discrete 6.1, your listening room is almost completely transformed into a full-featured cinema. 2. DTS NEO:6 DTS NEO:6 lets you enjoy 2-channel analog, PCM, and Dolby Digital 2-channel sources in full 6.1-channel surround sound. 3. Dolby Digital EX 4. Dolby Pro Logic II With the upgrade-kit, you can use Dolby Pro Logic II to do more than just enjoy your 2-channel analog, PCM, and Dolby Digital 2-channel sources in surround sound ambiance. You can also add the soundfield effects of THX Post Processing to Dolby Pro Logic II in Movie mode (*1) to brilliantly enhance the excitement of 2-channel A/V sources. (*1): On Denon A/V receivers, this Movie mode is displayed as MODE CINEMA. THX Ultra2 (THX Ultra2 Cinema mode / THX MusicMode) In addition to THX Cinema mode, Lucasfilm Ltd. now offers THX Ultra2 Cinema mode and THX MusicMode. Ultra2 Cinema mode produces appropriate soundfield effects when 5.1-channel movie sources without Dolby Digital Surround EX effects are played in a 7.1-channel system, and THX MusicMode produces appropriate soundfield effects for Dolby Digital, DTS, and other 5.1-channel music sources when they are played in a 7.1-channel system. Dolby Headphone Since sound from a headphone enters the ears directly, it can cause fatigue during extended listening sessions. Dolby Headphone replicates the effects of sound from speakers in a room by localizing the sound source at the front or the side as though the listener were enjoying 3D sound at a movie theater. Dolby Headphone is effective not only with Dolby Digital or Dolby Pro Logic but with CD and other 2-channel sources as well. The upgrade-kit also lets you record signals encoded with Dolby Headphone to other recorders so that you can enjoy the effects of Dolby Headphone with a portable MD player or other device. (This is possible with both analog and digital recordings.) DTS 96/24 5.1 Decoding for DVD-Video High-quality 96-kHz, 24-bit (96/24) sound playback from ordinary DVD-Video recordings is limited to only two channels and there are also limitations on the picture. DVD-Video recorded in DTS 96/24, however, allows high-quality 5.1-channel sound playback in full-quality, full-motion video. DTS 96/24 lets you enjoy both digital output and video output from your existing DVD player. Adjustable Cross-Over Switching The upgrade-kit supports subwoofer cross-over switching with a choice of 5 cross-over frequencies: 40, 60, 80, 100, and 120. This lets you more accurately match the performance characteristics of the subwoofer to the main speaker system. DENON Link High-grade LPCM 24-bit, 96-kHz, 6-channel or 24-bit, 192-kHz, 2-channel (*2) digital input is possible when the upgrade-kit is connected via a shielded twisted pair (STP) cable to a DVD player that supports DENON Link. Since DENON Link uses low-voltage differential signaling (LVDS), transfer capabilities of greater than 1.2 Gbps at a differential voltage of approximately 0.3 Vpp are possible. (*2): If a 24-bit, 192-kHz sound source is copyright protected, the DVD player may convert the digital output to a 24-bit, 48-kHz signal. External Digital Input For future system expansion, the upgrade-kit provides an external digital input port that supports multi-channel (6-/8-channel PCM) inputfrom an external unit. Multi-channel digital signal input (*3) is possible using a maximum of 4 sets of coaxial digital inputs. DENON, LTD. 3-16-11 YUSHIMA, BUNKYO-KU, TOKYO 113-0034 JAPAN www.denon.co.jp *Design and specifications are subject to change without notice. *THX is a registered trademark of Lucasfilm Ltd. *Dolby, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, Pro Logic II, and the double-D device are registered trademarks of Dolby Laboratories Licensing Corporation. *DTS, DTS 96/24, DTS-ES Extended Surround and Neo:6 are trademarks of Digital Theater System, Inc. Regards Darryl

Interesting view thanks Ear. There's however an article I read recently which talked about un-ported (sealed) subs like the Velodyne HGS series not being sensitive or effected by corner placement because theyre un-ported and thus no sound emanates from the back or sides. Have you investigated this aspect? Regards Darryl

Thanks very much for the suggestions boa12 and John. My Velodyne dealer suggests one at the front of the room and one at the back. What Im going to do is get the second sub (hopefully next week) and experiment by moving it around and trying the various locations and suggestions. Ill use ordinary two strand electrical cable for the experiments and then when I've ascertained the correct location well install it with proper cables to match the rest of my system. Thanks again. Regards Darryl