yeah I understand. will be rolling the dice on a used player for sure, but I have too many hobbies and wont spend the $1200 for a new one. my sony c333es was used when I bought it. been 14-15yrs now and still going, just not totally happy with the sonics out of that player. It doesn't sound like a piece of junk by no means, but just not exactly what I'm looking for.