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    La Scala II's

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

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    11 minutes ago, dtel said:

    OK thanks, was to lazy to look it up. :blush:

     

    OK Deano, your closer than I thought to having your new toys.

     

    Well like Roy says "tools not toys", I like that so much I put it on a shirt. 

    Yes just arrived at work 9.15am here and fingers crossed I will get a call to say they will be delivered to my home sometime this afternoon, im soooooo excited 

     

    Tools to fix my ears lol

    La Scala II's

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    Yes i have a modwright Oppo 205 [emoji4]

    For Jazz, I find speaker differences in what's there besides castanets at the very beginning of Sketches of Spain.
     
    There are some Jazz SACDs -- do you have a way to play them?


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    La Scala II's

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

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    Because you tend to both gain something and lose something whenever going from one well designed speaker to another, the trouble with using only recordings you are quite familiar with is that on first comparison the old components often have an advantage, because they are familiar.
     
    IMO the best way to go is to listen to about 5 or 6 new-to-you recordings first, then move to the old stuff
     
    Try this, especially Fanfare for the Common Man.
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    Good point and great advice however many of the tracks i know intimately and have heard them on mamy systems over the years

    Also im a big jazz and blues fan and use to visit many many jazz clubs so have a good knowledge of how instruments should sound

    I understand what you are saying but from all the advice here that you guys are telling me I should hear more detail on recordings ie space, decay, timbre and imaging which is what i feel the CW IIIs are not so much lacking but could be better

    I think if i did a A/B comparison with the speakers side by side then yes I would feel differently or hear differently

    But again thank you for the advice it means alot

    Deano



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    La Scala II's

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

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    38 minutes ago, Dave1290 said:

    I'm kinda thinking you're gonna get your butt kicked  :)  Thing is...  ...You'll hear it coming AND going...  😂   I think the general consensus is smiling and waiting for whatever happens.  Take your time and make us all suffer wondering.  Got that playlist in mind yet?  One more thing...  Don't hurt yourself!  😂 😂 😎

     

    playlist lol where to begin, ok here are a few in no particular order just off the top of my head

     

    Jeff buckley - Hallelujah

    Diana Krall - Jimmie

    Dire Straits - You & your friend

    Patricia Barber - Use me

    Christy Moore - So do I

    Ray Charles & Natalie cole - Fever

    Stevie Ray Vaughan - Tin pan Alley

    Pink Floyd - Comfortably numb - live (Delicate sound of  thunder).

    Pink Floyd - Welcome to the Machine

    Louis Hayes - Ecaroh

     

    Just to start lol

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    La Scala II's

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    There are two sets of opinion on this, sometimes within the same Klipsch dealership.  I'm on the cleaner, tighter bass side, therefore, I favor La Scalas.  I have heard La Scalas sound glorious, with a startling amount of bass impact, and I've heard them sound harsh. 
     
    The worst La Scala sound I heard was from a live (outdoor) punk band c. 1975.  It was as harsh as can be.  The LS cabinets were on pedestals, too far from the bass reinforcing ground plane, with 360 degrees of empty space around them (no boundary gain and no room gain), and the band had cheap AV equipment, with no EQ that I remember (their equipment was accessible, and I would have looked). 
     
    The best time was with the LSs in corners.  The walls had carpeting on them up to a height of about 6 feet.  The room was an old fashioned show room that was huge, but the listening chairs were about 15 feet from the LSs.  Because the LSs are not as tall as Klipschorns, it may be especially important to listen to them while seated, looking down the throats of the midrange horn and the tweeters, at a point where you can see the bug screen in the tweeter.  
     
    I would think that it would be best to start out with the La Scalas  pressed into room corners, , toed in toward the chairs, forming an equilateral triangle with the two tweeters and your head.  Put some absorbers on both side walls, not back where the LSs touch (or almost touch) the walls, but on the walls in the manner Chris A. described in his Corner Horn Imaging Post (read this; it's very informative).   Chris recommended that the absorption should go along the wall for 2 feet or more, starting at a point where a yardstick pressed flat against the front of the top hat (where the midrange and treble horn mouths are) touches the wall, extending for 2 feet along the wall toward the rear of the room.   Chris explained this better.  This is pretty necessary, to avoid reflections that can harm imaging.  When LSs are placed in corners, they behave something like corner horns, IMO.  Be sure you aren't sitting in a null.  I used this set-up with my Klipschorns, and it worked well.
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    A conservative take on corner placement is 1) moving a speaker from out in the room back to against a wall gains you 3 dB in the bass (doubles the effective power, like replacing a 100 watt amplifier with a 200 watt amplifier).  Moving the wall-placed speaker into a corner doubles the effective power again, providing an extra 3 dB in the bass, providing 4 times the effective power, or a 6 dB total gain.  As I said, this is conservative; some articles cite even higher bass increases.
     
    After trying the LSs pressed back in the corners, try pulling them out a bit, and see what you think.  You can try them in various positions along the wall, but that will probably reduce bass.  Normally, but not always, the speakers sitting out in the room (the audiophile favorite, though probably wrong, position), reduces bass and, potentially, dynamics (i.e., maximum SPL). 
     

    Eight Cardinal Points of Reproduction 

    by Paul W. Klipsch

     
    1.Freedom from distortion. Minimum distortion requires small amplitudes of air mass movements, even at peak transient power output. Bass diaphragm motion should not exceed 1/16 inch. Corner placement reduces distortion three fourths.
     

    2.Optimum size of speaker. Large enough to reproduce the lowest audible bass tone at peak transient power output without distortion; not so large as to produce a separation of bass and treble events. Corner placement increases effective size of speaker 4 times.

     

    3.Freedom from rattles.

     

    4.Freedom from shadows. Obstructions between high frequency speaker and listeners can not be tolerated - treble wave-lengths do not turn corners. 

     

     5.Freedom from cavities. The space under a speaker box formed by mounting it on legs can destroy the bottom octave of response and deteriorate the next 2 octaves.

     

    6.Adequate spacing for stereo. In a 14 x 17 foot room, for example, the 17-foot wall is apt to be best for the stereo speaker array.

     

    7.Accurate spatial values. Ability to localize the virtual sound sources in their original spatial relationships requires 3 widely spaced speakers, regardless of size or type, retention of this quality over a wide listening area requires toe-in of the flanking speakers.

     

    8.Flanking speakers toed-in. Such toe-in is naturally provided by corner speakers. The effect is to reduce shift of the virtual sound source for different listener locations. This is the only way to achieve a wide area for listening.

     

    When you have herd the Ls for several months, put the best subwoofer you can afford in a rear corner.  Adjust the crossover to be pretty low (60Hz or 40 Hz providing you have located your LSs in a place with a lot of boundary loading).  Unless you buy or build a good HORN subwoofer, your LSs will have cleaner, tighter, and less distorted bass than the sub.  There are some tall Horn subs available for DIY that extend from floor nearly to ceiling, which I assume will reach deeper than smaller ones (but read the lit).   Your La Scalas will probably be good to below 60 Hz if they are in corners, you are not in a null, and you EQ to taste.  My Belle Klipsch center channel (a design equivalent to a La Scala, but with an inferior midrange horn (which I replaced!) is given boundary gain by being flush mounted in a wall, behind an AT screen, sticking out into a bump-out into the next room, actually has a little peak at 60 Hz, and is good to 40 Hz, with no EQ.  If you have to go with an ordinary subwoofer (non-horn), get the best you can, and if you have boundary gain in the bass (i.e. corner or against a wall) try crossing it over at 60 Hz (or even lower), and see how it sounds.  Or, spring for a calibrated microphone of the $100 variety, and use free REW to see what's what.

    Wow thats huge amount of info! Thank you

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    La Scala II's

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    Your ear might have become acclimated to the more boomy and bloomy direct radiating 15" woofer of the Cornwall but in the end, despite not digging as low, you will fall in love with the more natural and much tighter folded horn of the LSii.
    Thats what I want, im always listening for accuracy and I hope the LS II will give me that, bass thats tight and not lossy

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    La Scala II's

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    Ok phew lol

    As long as you allow a couple of weeks to get the LSII located in just the right room locations, and realize that you may want to add a subwoofer (but not crossed over too high -- want to preserve the LSII attack and dynamics) you are doing the right thing.
     
     


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    La Scala II's

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    Ok I am normal or is it just pre buyer's nerves?

    I'm listening currently to Louis Hayes album serenade for Horace on the CW IIIs and I'm blown away by the dynamics this sounds amazing

    Please tell me I am doing the right thing in buying the La Scala IIsd3a326ca22628cdcf5c9d278e48df36d.jpg

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    Vinyl - Record Spinning

    in Lounge

    Posted

    I have to find out what shipping and tax..... To the U.S..... What some people don't realize it's the professional broadcast table with more features... Bigger motor , clutch, and belt... And built-in preamp
    and step up... Better tonearm EMT 929  tonearm.. And lighted table for a few... It was built for 24/7/365 use...
     
     
    Good luck at hopefully we will see pictures of her one day in your home [emoji4]

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    Line Magnetic 219-IA

    in Talkin' Tubes

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    We are closing on the sale of our house here in Colorado on the 12th of July and then we are on our way to Arlington Texas where the amp is sitting idle, the wait is driving me nuts.
    I was thinking Telefunkens would be my choice from past experience but I will listen for a while first to see which direction I want to take the sound.
    I just had to wipe the drool of my chin wow wow wow I love these amplifers but coming across one in NZ at a resonable price is near impossible

    You have a better chance finding a unicorn lol

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    Vinyl - Record Spinning

    in Lounge

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    Right now I'm using a Thorens td125.
     
    But itching to buy another table
    I looked at another table and demoed a few but nothing came close to what the 125 can do, the dynamics just wasnt there on others

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    Vinyl - Record Spinning

    in Lounge

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    Correct Series III alot of people say they are no good lol

    Thats ok because it keeps the price down on second hand models for people that know better!

    Sme 3009


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    Vinyl - Record Spinning

    in Lounge

    Posted

    Nice i love the classics i have a custome piano black thorens TD125 MKII completley overhauled and nothing comes close to its sound [emoji4]

    I rewired the tone arm with cryogenicly treated silver wire. Not a recommended endeavor! 
    Sounds fantastic but it was a *****! 
    In addition to the turntable built by Peter Reinders of PTP audio fame, I also built a turntable using parts supplied by PTP and done parts from a classic lenco. 



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