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    Need help finding data on EV Patrician 700

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

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    On 3/17/2008 at 2:41 PM, CaptnBob said:

    The Patrician IV was a scaled up Klipschorn with an 18" woofer. It's only vaguely similar to the Pat 700. The Pat II and Pat III were actually closer, in that they shared the SP-12 mod for the upper bass.

    This question always comes up. The woofers alone can bring up to $800 if you're lucky - the tweeters go in the $200-400 range if they are in good shape. The SP-12 and T-250 maybe $100 each.

    A full pair, in nice shape - anybody's guess, but $6,000 would not be out of line. Some pairs may reach for 5 figures. Except of course for that plutonium business.

    I know this was commented 10 years ago but i have to correct the fact that working T250 sells for thousands

    Klipsch Best vs The Rest of the Big Boys. Ever done a side by side Comparison?

    in General Klipsch Info

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    5 hours ago, HDBRbuilder said:

    Of all the speakers you have brought up in this thread, exactly how many of them have YOU HEARD?  Just wondering.  It really is like comparing apples to oranges for a LARGE NUMBER of REASONS, least of which is hearing them properly set-up in perfectly identical listening environments using the exact same upstream components, otherwise a comparison is not REALLY a COMPARISON, is it?

    Even with K-horns, every time I have heard them they have MINIMALLY sounded at least a bit different because of what I typed in the preceding paragraph.

    Goodmans 615 gold paper alnico in Karlson cabinets extremely rare and sound so natural and musical even with vintage solid state.very pleasant sounding. Sold them had to get them back soon after. Emotions kicked in.

    Altec Heathkit legatos HH1c detailed Airy highs tight bass from the dual 802a  woofers 806 511 horn in infinite baffle cabs.

    Jensen triplex super efficient, deep bass even with low powered marantz receiver. Sounds full even at low volume

     

    Tannoy Golds in Autograph cabinets pure audio bliss powerful deep deep sound and deeeep bass.  listened to them through a luxman ss 4000 poweramp and marantz 73 cd player. My goodness what sound. The depth hasnt been matched in my ears and mind yet.

     

    I have yet to audition a klipschorn or la scalas.

     

     

     

     

    Klipsch Best vs The Rest of the Big Boys. Ever done a side by side Comparison?

    in General Klipsch Info

    Posted

    3 hours ago, garyrc said:

     

    I've heard some of these, but not side by side with one exception, and not always in the same room.

    By fallible auditory memory:

     

    Klipschorns vs Hartsfield -  Hartsfield did not have as much bass, --- sounded very bass shy, but was very clean.  Hartsfield midrange was ultra, ultra clear.  Klipschorn was better balanced, and had more impact.

     

    Klipschorn vs JBL Paragon - Klipschorns flanking Paragon.  Very similar to above comparison, but the Khorn sound stage was much wider, because the Khorns were very far apart.  Paragon seemed to have a little more bass than my memory of Hartsfield, but Khorn seemed to go down farther.  The Paragon was the usual JBL Paragon -- I don't know what a Everest Paragon is.  The JBL Paragon was originally called the Ranger Paragon.  I'm tempted to call Ranger the movie sound guy, but he was an innovator in many fields and was one of those who developed magnetic tape recording, based on recorders captured from the Nazis.  Ranger applied "radial refraction" principles of diffusion to the Paragon; indeed the front of a Paragon looked like a Bonner Diffusor.  The Paragon design is also credited to  Arnold Wolf; perhaps they worked together.   As PWK might point out, the Paragon might have had better bass if it sat directly on the floor, but then the tweeters would be too far below seated ear level. 

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    Klipschorn v.s. Bozak Concert Grand - Bozak had sweet string sound, and wonderful cello reproduction, great bass, good dynamics.  It would never (?) give offense.  Khorn more dynamic, better brass, equal but different bass, took about 1/5 of the amplifier power according to a Stereo annual I saw, about 1/10, going by other sources.  A friend of mine narrowed down his speaker choice to these two, and went back and forth between stores for hours and hours of comparison.  He bought the Bozaks, largely because of the string sound.  In 1968, in my fantasies, I would have had three Concert Grands in a palatial Haight Ashbury apartment (or house, up the hill), wired in the PWK three channel "Wide Stage Stereo" configuration, and many lovely women would get to listen to it. 

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    By the time I got the money (12 years later), Klipschorns began to sound better to me, so I got them.  I never regretted the choice, and I have never heard better (of course, I haven't heard the Jubilees).

     

    Klipschorns v.s. Altec A7s "Voice of the Theater" (one iteration; those actually used in theaters were usually far bigger).  I just thought I'd throw these in, since they are often spoken of in the same breath.  These were auditioned across the room from one another, both in corners.  Both were "effortless."  Both were "airy" compared to other speakers there, certainly more "airy" than the acoustic suspension speakers, like the AR-3A.   The Klipsch was brassier, sounded "golden."  The Altec tended toward being steely and sounded "silver."  O brother, I'm beginning to sound like a writer in a "hi-end" magazine -- sorry.  The Khorn had a little more deep bass, maybe, and livelier high frequencies.  The Altec advertised response to 22,000 c.p.s. (Hz), but if it had that, it was way, way down (I could hear to 20K back then).  Note, a few years later I heard A7s, and other, smaller, Altecs at the recording studio at SFSU, and they sounded better -- maybe they improved -- still no match for the Khorns.

     

    Spectacular comparisons and detailed description. Your the only one that ever answered this question closest to what i was getting at. Thanks for taking the time to do write up of these speakers. Lots of respect on my part. Id be honored to shake your hand and pat you on the back if ever meet. 

    Few questions..what drivers were in those klipschorns when you heard the comparison. What era were those particular models you auditioned built?

     

    I had the next size down from concert hall bozaks sounded great but too many drivers inside i feared if something ever went wrong. Poof. So i sold them but they did sound great

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    What was Klipsches Very first speaker system? Earliest Lascalas? When

    in Ask the Historian

    Posted

    17 hours ago, JohnA said:

    Yes, Stephens 103LX woofers were used for a while.  Even the excellent E-V 15W was modified for Klipsch and called 15WK.  That seems to be an exception to the inexpensive components rule.  To my knowledge, no Vitavox components were used by Klipsch.  The basshorn was licensed to Vitavox for their own production. 

     

    Didnt realize they used stephens. Klipschorn was vitavox drivers

     

    Single Wanted The early Patrician or Patrician700

    in Garage Sale

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    Looking for Only a Single all Complete The Patrician or Patrician IV(4) from the 50s or Patrician 700. Preferrably working well no buzzing or burn out dead tweeters or rattling woofers and intact large woofers. Please have a price in mind when emailing. Im an audio enthusiast so please be reasonable in price. Thank you

    Will pick up or meet in Upstate Ny, South East East Michigan, Northern Ohio, Northern Pensylvania.

    Call text or email. 647-783-2277

     xxgd@yahoo.com

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    What was Klipsches Very first speaker system? Earliest Lascalas? When

    in Ask the Historian

    Posted

    5 hours ago, HDBRbuilder said:

    The first Klipschorns produced were from around 1947.  A number of speakers were designed and manufactured in the 1950's, but have been out of production for decades, but the Heresy and Cornwall are still in production, with both of these models ORIGINALLY coming out in the 1950's, the Cornwall following the Heresy.  The first LaScala speakers produced were from around 1962 time-frame....with further refinement they went into REGULAR production a few years later.  The best seller by far has been the Heresy over the years.

    Thanks 1947 then. Is there a photo of what was inside those earliest klipsch cabinets? Woofer Drivers and horns. What Manufacturer made those drivers in those early Klipsch. Thanks

    What was Klipsches Very first speaker system? Earliest Lascalas? When

    in Ask the Historian

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    8 hours ago, Don Richard said:

    The Klipschorn was the first commercial Klipsch product, and it looks very much like the Khorn that is sold today. The midrange and tweeter horns, all of the drivers, and the crossovers have changed over the years but the basic design is the same.

    Wasnt referring as much to his design as i was to the actual unit and components. Was there a particular model that was first issued way back that was his first and what was in his cabinet? Brand of speaker and horn. Was it Jbl Ev Jensen Altec etc...?

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