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    I have a silly question on some Epic CF1 (And now Heresy's, too!)

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted · Edited by Oicu812

    On 5/14/2018 at 4:17 PM, twk123 said:

    Those look really nice! If that is the case I would go with the Heresy's. The high efficiency and midrange are very 'forward' and will be able to overcome the ringing. The KG's on the other hand are more laid back in the mid range but pound bass. Since you already have the CF-3, I would go with the Heresy also as it will round out your collection better with a 2 way and 3 way design where the KG 5.5 will sound more similar to your CF-3.

     

    Thanks for the info!  I appreciate you taking the time, and I took your advice...

     

    8 hours ago, avguytx said:

    I feel your pain on tinnitus and that constant high pitch noise.  Some music is harder to listen to than others depending on what the tone is but most is ok.  I enjoy when everyone is gone and I can play it louder to overcome the tinnitus....even if for a little while.  You'll love those CF-3's.  I owned a pair for a few years and there's been times that I miss them.  But, I built a pair of Belle's and space didn't allow to keep too many around the house at that time as we were selling to move into a small rent house while our new house is being built.  They are great sounding speakers.

     

    The CF3's really are great sounding speakers, and we love them already.  Suddenly we can hear what the people on TV are saying.  It's fabulous.

     

    On 5/14/2018 at 1:17 PM, wvu80 said:

    In order, IMHO (not fact):

     

    Pass on the CF-1's.  They don't enjoy the legendary reputation the CF-3 and CF-4 do

     

    Pass on the KG 5.5, if I understand correctly your goal to match the CF-3's.

     

    Look for some CF-3's to match yours or find CF-4's and move the CF-3's to surround duty.  Both are hard to find on the used market, but not impossible.

     

    Buy the Heresy for $250 immediately if they are in good condition, all drivers working, cabs in good shape.  you can.  I don't think they will match up well to the CF-3's but Heresy's go for $400 all day long.  Try them, decide for yourself and if you don't like the way the speakers match, sell them and with the extra $150  put the profits into your CF-4 fund. 

     

    This was good advice!  The Heresies (Heresi?) are rat rods.  Some delamination in the plywood, bad black paint jobs, but both of them sound incredible.  The serial numbers are 90T731 and 90T547.  If I was correct in my reading, the letter "T" is for 1979?

     

    Anyway, I talked him down to $160 on the pair, and brought them home with me.  Some carpenter's glue, clamping, wood putty, sanding, primer and paint will set them to rights.  The sound was clear and VERY loud.  Quite impressive for such small speakers.  They weigh a ton, and I am guessing that there are some good sized magnets and horns.  The grill cloth and frames seem to be glued in place, and the logo plates were glued to the top wood rail area, centered.  All of this can be corrected, obviously.  It doesn't matter to me how they look as much as how they sound.  And they sound VERY good.  They blow the Bose 901's out of the park.

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    I have a silly question on some Epic CF1 (And now Heresy's, too!)

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted

    2 hours ago, wvu80 said:

    In order, IMHO (not fact):

     

    Pass on the CF-1's.  They don't enjoy the legendary reputation the CF-3 and CF-4 do

     

    Pass on the KG 5.5, if I understand correctly your goal to match the CF-3's.

     

    Look for some CF-3's to match yours or find CF-4's and move the CF-3's to surround duty.  Both are hard to find on the used market, but not impossible.

     

    Buy the Heresy for $250 immediately if they are in good condition, all drivers working, cabs in good shape.  you can.  I don't think they will match up well to the CF-3's but Heresy's go for $400 all day long.  Try them, decide for yourself and if you don't like the way the speakers match, sell them and with the extra $150  put the profits into your CF-4 fund. 

     

    I will definitely take your advice on this.  Unfortunately, the guy with the Heresy's has yet to reply to me.  If he does, and they have a pulse, they shall be mine.  Even if on life support.

     

    2 hours ago, kvndoom said:

    Wow, Florida must be the used Klipsch capitol of the world!  😁

     

    Congrats on all those good deals you've found.  Coincidentally, my first Klipsch experience was also by way of KG-4's, these owned by my lifelong best friend.  He gave them to his brother though.  😡

     

    Thanks, I've been having fun with my new hobby!

     

    2 hours ago, Emile said:

    @Oicu812 ... you LUCKY guy :D  No clue on the CF's, but did own KG5.5's and wasn't too impressed. Yes, boomy, but the sound did not come close to my Forte's or Cornwall's.  FYI, $250 is extremely cheap for a decent pair of Heresy's ... picking up a set later this week for $400 with a BLOWN tweeter :D 

    @kvndoom ... yes; quite a bit of Klipsch speakers here in Florida. Unfortunately most are way overpriced. And yes ... loved my KG4's ... finally got rid of them because I now have 7 pair of Klipsh speakers :D 

    Cheers, Emile

     

    I've been accused of that several times in my life, Emile!  Occasionally it's even been true...

     

    2 hours ago, twk123 said:

    I agree with WVU on this one, $250 is a steal for Heresy's. As for the other speakers it depends on what type of music you listen to. The Heresy's really excel in the mid range and being detailed and accurate. The bass is 'snappy' and good for rock and acoustic music but can be lacking without a subwoofer with really bass heavy music. The KG 5.5's are a really fun speaker but are much more geared toward hip hop and electronic music. They absolutely pound bass and have a 'open' sound but dont have that same mid range presence that Heresy's will have. 

     

    I suffer from some really bad tinnitus, from a motorcycle tire blowing apart while I was filling it. It happened right next to my head.  Sound pressure and healthy vocal ranges trump everything now, and brute force is needed to override the ugly chords that live in my head constantly.  My days of aural discernment have been over for 25 years.

     

    Here are the new babies!  (Not too bad for a C-note)

     

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    I have a silly question on some Epic CF1 (And now Heresy's, too!)

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

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    On 5/14/2018 at 7:07 AM, jjptkd said:

    Congrats on the new CF-3's! I've never heard the CF-1 but although they are from the same line as the CF-3 they use a different horn and different horn driver, in fact the horn driver is the same as in the KG 5.5. Now the horn in the CF-1 is slightly better than the 5.5 horn but their dual 10" woofers should easily overpower the dual 6.5" woofers in the CF-1's. If it were me, I'd just get 5.5's if the price is right, they're very decent speakers and put out a nice thumpy sound.

     

    All good things to think about.  I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and insight.

     

    I am a recent convert to the Temple of Hope© (Arkansas).  I had inherited a matched pair of KG4's from my brother in law, who didn't want them any more.  I was so impressed with them that I went out and bought a second pair of original, sequentially numbered set off of eBay from a seller within 10 miles (right around 6 months ago).  I felt that $200 was fair.  Those are now the front L&R for my 7.1 setup in the office.  As a matter of fact, I am listening to some Ritchie Blackmore / Blackmore's Night as I type this. 

     

    That's what started my Klipsch odyssey.  Fast forward to a couple of weeks ago, when I was at an estate auction where they were emptying a house.  I hadn't seen any Epics before, but there was a beautiful pair sitting out front.  Just about perfect, one little bump on the back side.  I figured I would go 3 or 4 hundred on them, not knowing anything about the model, but the construction quality and size told me they were really NICE speakers.  I opened the bidding at $100, and no one else even twitched.  It was only after I got home where I could do some reading, that I found out about the 3 versions of the CF3's.  I lucked out again, realizing from the depth of the tubes being right at 5.5", and the serials telling me that these were V1's.

     

    You are right about the CF3's being thumpy.  I bet they are popular with the mega bass crowd.  It's a visceral feeling when the speakers move your shirt from across the room.  *<;o)

     

    Now I've become a bit of a Klipsch hound.  I've got a guy coming to buy my Bose 901's today, driving 2 1/2 hours each way to get them.  And I am looking for something to replace them as the back set in my office with something from my new favorite company.  I made a decent profit on the 901's, so I could do KG 5.5's if I felt they were that much better than the CF1's to justify the extra $300.

     

    I would like something that could stand up to the 300w RMS Bryston amp.  I should have mentioned that!

    I have a silly question on some Epic CF1 (And now Heresy's, too!)

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted · Edited by Oicu812

    I was extremely fortunate recently and picked up a pair of near mint CF3.  I am really impressed by the performance of these (and by the weight).

    Due to this, I was looking to replace another set of speakers with some of the same type, but all I can find in Florida is a pair of CF1.

     

    Is there a huge difference in the sound and performance between the two models?  A local guy wants $225 for his CF1 pair, and I need some help to decide...

    Or should I try to pick up some KG 5.5?  Any other suggestions welcomed gladly!

     

    Thanks in advance!

    O

    Klipsch Epic Owners Group

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    Posted · Edited by Oicu812

    2 hours ago, geoff. said:

    The serial number will tell you everything you need to know.

     

    You COULD also pop out the terminal cup and have a look at the wiring.

     

    I had CF-3 version 3’s, the last run, and could not imagine them sounding any better.

     

    I only sold them when I got LaScalas. Like the previous poster was saying, just TOO many GOOD speakers not being enjoyed by anyone.

     

    The dual woofer punch is a hard act to follow!

     

    Take a trip into another room while they are playing and you can still feel them hitting.

     

    Congratulations on your purchase!

     

    Thank you.  The serials tell the tale, as you can see from the pics below.  The only damage I see is the bump on the back edge.    (I have GOT to take a lint roller to the fabric panels)

     

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    Klipsch Epic Owners Group

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

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    Hello all.  It seems I joined the Epic CF3 club today.  I bought a pair of consecutive serials numbers at an estate sale for $100.  I opened the bidding there, and none of the other attendees bid at all.  Without doing much reading beforehand, these seemed to be an upgrade for the system in the living room, which was a pair of KG4's.

     

    In doing some reading, is it true that the version 1 of the CF3's can be told by the depth of the bottom internal cones?  These measure 5" plus a quarter or so.

     

    The initial testing I have done shows that these are head and shoulders above the KG4's in volume and clarity.  They really seem to be, according to my tinnitus laden ears.  The midrange / vocals seem much louder, clear as a bell in fact.  The problem that we were having was that the vocals with the KG4's in movies or music was too soft or washed out, maybe due to the size of the room?

     

    Anyway, with the same 7.1 Denon amp that drove the other speakers, the CF3's rock.  Hard.  Impressively so.  I'm a rather happy camper at the moment.

     

    I think the pair of KG4's will take the place of my current office / computer speakers.  How else can I tell that these are Rev. 1 vs. 2 or 3 without disassembling anything?

     

    O

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