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16 hours ago, Zen Traveler said:
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Fwiw and a second opinion, I definitely would run Audyssey correctly.
I thought the same thing too going from ear to Audyssey and realized after extensive experimenting that the "extra bass" I was enjoying actually was drowning out some of the more subtler sounds. In particular the race scene on Star Wars when the dude flicked off the creature that was on his table. My previous "by ear" adjustments was clouding out the sound of the creature's scream going down after the flick.
Of course, YMMV.
Yeah I'd say most people enjoy elevated bass. Many would be very surprised to see measurements taken from their system lol.
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I'm tempted to buy an RC64 III but I'm skeptical of how it matches with CWIV. I think my TV would fit on top of an RC64III. Sadly, an additional Heritage speaker is not viable as a center in my current room. For space reasons.
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4 hours ago, dwilawyer said:
He dunked a CW in water to figure out the exact displacement as I recall.
Wow speak on that a little more! So he removed all the drivers, and I assume he wrapped the cabinet in some sort of plastic, a painstaking process I would imagine, then dunked it in water to see exactly how much water the cabinet holds? So he dunks it, pulls it out then drains the water into a giant measuring cup to see how much is in there?
Or is it actually just measuring how much water the entire cabinet displaces?
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So you didn't notice an improvement in bass over the three weeks you had them? That's wild to me! Mine have transformed completely in 3 weeks.
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Can anyone comment on pairing Cornwall IV LR mains with an RC-64 III center? I can't feasibly use another Heritage line speaker for space reasons, not even a Heresy. So I really need a traditional center channel. Surely it would be much better than my current center channel, R-25C.....
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On 6/12/2021 at 9:08 AM, AKosc said:
Oh and regarding the topic that originally started this conversation, even though I crossover my 8000f at 100hz, you were totally right! I use the 600m as my surround backs, and placed them on top of my 8000fs as a test, cut down the signal below 100hz, and STILL the 8000f sounded much much better than the 600m above 100hz. Wider soundstage, better mid bass. The 600m are still great surround back speakers though.
I would imagine the sense of scale is the biggest difference between the two. They should have similar timbre.
I recently went from R-28F towers to a pair of Cornwall IVs. I wanted a pair of 8000f for a while too though. Super happy with the CWIVs though.
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Yeah perhaps he sent them back and deactivated his account here lol.....
Nah I think he'll be back in a few days and he'll be amazed at the transformation they've made. I've yet to meet someone who couldn't get into CWIVs. Even if it didn't happen immediately.
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I’m curious if the OP is enjoying the speakers more after a few days usage....I know mine seem to have opened up quite a bit. More bass response and an overall smoother presentation. I don’t know if I accomplished this from break-in or from position/placement. Maybe a little of both?
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On the third day of my CWIV ownership, I have become more and more impressed with the bass I'm getting out of these speakers. I haven't read through this thread yet (I'm about to) but before I do I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your experience has been exactly the same. I'd be very surprised to hear you still had a lack of bass. These speakers are breaking in beautifully. I've also experiemented more with toe-in and placement. I'm in love with these speakers.
EDIT: So I just read the thread and it seems maybe you aren't having the same experience as I am. I want to add that it's not your amp. I'm running my CWIVs from a Best Buy Onkyo A/V receiver with amazing results. I'm feeding it an analog signal from a Schiit Modius DAC so I'm running the receiver in direct mode with no internal processing going on. So no EQ either.
I'll also add that my room is likely what many of you would consider too small for Cornwalls, 10.5 foot wide, 16.5 foot in length and 7 foot ceilings. Pretty damn small really. All the same they sound incredible.
I'm gonna be honest here: I was not impressed with the bass I was getting out of these speakers Friday afternoon when I took delivery. Yesterday it was much better and today it's fantastic. I've probably put 20ish hours of music through them since Friday afternoon, even playing them when I wasn't at home. Don't give up on your Cornwalls yet brother!
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6 hours ago, Shakeydeal said:
Congratulations to both of the new owners. Make sure to experiment with placement as the speakers break in. Small adjustments can make big differences in the presentation. Also try moving your listening position fore and aft. It’s like fine tuning a camera lens.
Shakey
I couldn't agree more! I actually toed them in a little less yesterday afternoon, just experimenting and I've found the sweet spot for my listening postion. Listening this morning has been a treat like no other. The BASS is so much better today than it was Friday afternoon. Last night, with the help of some booze and pot, I had what I can only describe as a religious experience listening to these speakers. Incredible. This morning, listening to the DMB Crash album, an album I believe to be one of the most well recorded mainstream albums ever, is an incredible experience.
I'd like to remind everyone that I'm running these from a mid-tier Onkyo A/V receiver (TXNR757) being fed an analog signal from a Schiit Modius. I have a hard time believing they could even sound any better than this! But I'm sure they can.
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Pretty much every review I've read/watched said they were NOT speakers for bassheads. I literally just had a pair delivered yesterday, and I agree with those reviews. I'm not having any issues with imaging and staging though. And even on the bass, it's there when the track calls for it.
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Here is the placement I finally decided on....they still don’t appear perfectly symmetrical to my eyes but it’s close enough....for now lol.
The more aggressive I got with toe-in, the more incredible they sounded. With this revelation in mind, eventually I may just place them on either side of my head and listen inbetween them lmao. Jk.
They came from Amazon on a pallet wrapped up in black plastic. The speakers are impeccable, not a single scratch or cause for concern. Grills as well.
Im also into high end headphone audio, and I always give people shit when they buy multi-thousand dollar headphones and then throw the boxes away! So with that in mind, I’ll be breaking the boxes down these Cornwalls came in and I’ll be keeping them forever!
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Yep I vote for the 504C as well. It's the best RP center that Klipsch makes.
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1 hour ago, Shakeydeal said:
I guess that shows how out of touch I am. I didn't realize many people were financing high end audio.
Shakey
LOL well maybe I'm just broke.....I finance all kinds of big ticket items though. I can much more easily digest paying a few hundred bucks a month for a year rather than paying thousands at once and emptying my savings.
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1 hour ago, Shakeydeal said:
Ok. I would rather just use a CC and get the big discount from Corey. But it's good that you go them, either way.
This is true. Corey I think suggested even getting a personal loan from my bank, which probably would have been the cheaper and smarter thing to do, but it's just so damn easy to buy in Amazon and not have to fool with banks etc.
Personally I think Paducah HT should look into some financing services.....there's plenty to choose from.-
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3 hours ago, Shakeydeal said:
And not to mention he has the best price around on Heritage speakers and great customer service.
Shakey
I inquired about purchasing from Paducah but they don't offer any sort of financing options. I needed at least a year to pay off the cost of the Cornwalls, as I imagine many people would. So I had to get them from Amazon on my Amazon store account.
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I'm thinking the 504c would be the cost no object center that will tonally match your towers. That said, finding in-walls to match the timbre and tonality of the your front stange may be trickier. Or hell maybe it'll be easy, I just don't know how the Klipsch in-wall offerings are voiced.
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On 5/29/2021 at 5:02 PM, Shakeydeal said:
Congrats, you and the OP should report back once you get them.
On 5/29/2021 at 5:35 PM, 001 said:one more lucky owner of CW IV speakers , Congrats
Thanks guys, I certainly will. I don't even have fancy electronics but I'm still looking forward to hear them from my mid-tier Onkyo home theater receiver. The Cornwalls will be displacing R-28 towers and a pair of 12SW subs. I may use the towers as rear surrounds for theater listening and I may still use the subs (though in a different location, as they won't fit in their current location, along with the Cornwalls).
I'm feeding the A/V receiver with a Schiit Modius DAC through its "CD input" analog input. I feel like it sounds better but I don't know about the integrity of its analog signal path. Causing me to take my own hearing with a grain of salt haha.
Honestly even when I do upgrade from Onkyo I dont have current plans to get a set of amp/dac separates. I've been eyeing the Marantz SR6015\7015 and the Denon X3700/X4700. I've been hoping for measuremnts before I bought either Marantz as last years models did not measure near as well as the comparably priced Denons.
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6 hours ago, Schu said:
if you find a pair of la Scalas that the owner doesn't want to split up, I might take the second off your hands. I know there is a pair of 70th's available for 5k... 2.5k for each LSii
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currently I am using cornwall and heresy for my center and rears... Not ideal, but works good... specially for 5.1 music.
I also wanted to let you know (perhaps you already know) that you can EQ out a lot of the Timbre differences you hear between your reference speakers and your heritage speakers.
Wow what a room! Do you have any subs? Any need for them?
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Oh wow yeah that's a lot of money to avoid putting a TV on top of the speaker haha. I'm having a pair of Cornwall IVs delivered this week but I'm not ready for a 3k TV stand haha.
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Yeah I believe the RP400 will serve you well in that situation.
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On 3/26/2021 at 6:44 AM, Amstaff said:
Yes. I have a Salamander Designs Synergy 345 - link below. This stand has space for my RC-7. My RC-7 measures 26"W, 9.1"H and 13.5"D.
Your RC-64iii is 35.8W, 8"H and 15"D.
The center speaker opening in my Synergy 345 is over 40" - so the RC64-iii will be a perfect fit.
https://www.salamanderdesigns.com/av-cabinets/synergy-model-345/
There is a fair amount of customization that can be done when ordering. It comes unassembled and goes together like any other furniture you put together.
I searched high and low for this back in 2009. I could not find anything to fit the height of the RC-7. IIRC the height of the opening is listed at 9". I had to remove the rubber feet on the center shelf to get the RC-7 in there. You won't have this issue.
I have an 85" Sony TV on top too.
They are not cheap, but good stuff is usually not.
That is a hell of a stand! Cant believe you can find something that will house the big boy Klipsch center. It says to request a quote for a price on the site....what sort of ballpark price are we talking here?
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Just ordered myself a pair in walnut just yesterday. Super excited for them.
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3 hours ago, garyrc said:
Something is definitely wrong.
Check your Denon manual. There are two ways to set up your Main Volume Control. You want it set up to film industry standards so a very high volume is about 0 dB and a low volume is a negative number, like about - 70 dB. Under those circumstances, Audyssey would set the Sound Pressure Level (the correct term for "volume" or "loudness") to Reference Level when the Main Volume Control is at 0 dB. This is outrageously loud on loud passages. It, after running Audyssey, will give you the same SPL in dB at the Main Listening Position (which should be at microphone position #1), with your speakers, in your room, at your as the mixers heard when doing the sound for the movie. This is possible because movies, unlike music, are mastered to be at a known and standard SPL level. This should provide instantaneous peaks (milliseconds long) up to full scale for main channels of 105 dB, and 115 dB for the subwoofer channel. THX has looked into perceptual or psychological loudness (and "loudness" is a perceptual/psychological term, rather than a physical one), and determined that someone with a Large home theater or listening room will perceive - 5 dB MV, rather than 0 dB, as the same level as Reference level in the center of a THX commercial movie theater, due to the smaller room's earlier reflections (perceived as the original sound rather than reverb) and pressure waves. In your smallish room at 5 feet, I'd think, maybe, -8 dB would "sound like" Reference level. Many people listen at -10 to -15 dB.
I've never heard of Audyssey setting the volume too low, when the Main Volume Control is set up as above. Many of us do add a subwoofer boost of 3 to 8, or so, dB, because, we became used to a few anomalous bass peaks before Audyssey. Several researchers (Harmon inc. and several others) found that most people prefer low bass being elevated as much as 9 dB over the highest treble. So, Audyssey smooths out the kinks and zigzags and you set the overall, smoothed, bass to taste. Don't turn the bass up with the AVR's subwoofer trim control. The cheap line drivers in many AVRs' subwoofer output circuits clip easily. Keep that trim level below about -5. Use the gain control on the subwoofer itself to turn up the bass.
Once you get your SPL problem solved, put your feet up and read both of the following -- they are leagues better than almost any manual, and unlike most manuals, they have been scrutinized and revised. "Audyssey FAQ Linked Here"
Guide to Subwoofer Calibration and Bass PreferencesI tried to confirm that the Denon AVRX4400H is powerful enough (which it almost certainly is) but the website won't let me see the specs. When you get past all the advertising blather, the power figure that counts is "Continuous Power per channel in watts, 2 channels operating, 20 to 20,000 Hz. at 8 Ohms at a low level of Total Harmonic Distortion (below about 0.09%). This information should be in your manual, probably in the last few pages. If the figure is 100 watts per channel, or more, for two channels, the amp is probably powerful enough for your speakers. A much more realistic spec would be "with all channels operating," to put a proper strain on the power supply, but AVR manufacturers haven't revealed that for the last few years. A "bench test" by a reviewer would probably cover that.
P.S. Audyssey makes my system sound much better, really sing.
It is infinitely annoying to me that even the best most respected receiver manufacturers don't include power ratings for all channels being driven. I mean who the hell buys a 7.2 receiver to listen to stereo? No one does. So that 2-channel spec is completely useless. And they literally ALL do it! Even on the high end models.
Tv wakes up at night...
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Then if it still does it, sell the house and everything in it lmao.
Seriously though, this would freak me the hell out! I had this problem briefly with my bedroom TV setup. Sometimes the A/V receiver would just power up and all of sudden I'm woken up by loud TV commercials etc. I had to start turning off my cable box so in case the A/V did turn on, it wouldn't have a signal to play.