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    1985 Cornwall II's for sale

    in Garage Sale

    Posted · Edited by Hilltoppa

    Consecutive Seriel Number 1985 Cornwall II's. Good overall condition with a few chips and repairs. Excellent sounding speakers. No grillls but have glass for the tops.

     

    Will demo and compare to Heresy and Lascala's so you can see how they fit in the Heritage lineup. Pick up only in Zip 18013 - Bangor, Pennsylvania area.

     

    Klipsch Cornwall 2.pdf    SOLD 

     

    $1250 OBO.

     

    Need Xilica XConsole Software Download

    in 2-Channel Home Audio

    K-402 replacement

    in Klipsch Pro Audio

    Posted

    19 minutes ago, Emile said:

    You can start with a miniDSP 2x4HD for about $200. Note; do NOT get the cheaper basic miniDSP - too much distortion. Then, move up to a Xilica 2040/4080/etc. depending on how many in/outs you need. (Picked up a new 2040 a couple of months ago for about $650.) Note; Xilica no longer makes these units, but the will provide tech support. :) 

    Thanks - Think I'll get the mini while I am looking for the Xilica XP.  

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    K-402 replacement

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    39 minutes ago, geoff. said:

     

     

    ^^^^ This, I have read it over and over again many times on this forum by those who have tried it.

     

    It is best not to skimp on the DSP. 

     

    The buck seems to stop at the Xilica.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Thanks to all - I'll start the search. 

    K-402 replacement

    in Klipsch Pro Audio

    Posted

    20 hours ago, Emile said:

    Priced them last year ... they were about $1400 each (or ouch) :) 

    FYI, bought some K-510's from Klipsch about a year ago for less than $20 each. And new K-691's were about $650. So; quite a premium for 402's :( 

    A little too rich for me right now. I've been snooping for 402 cousins that sound close but haven't found anything yet. Going to try the JBL's I have and compare to the 510's.  Haven't even started switching the drivers yet.    

     

    I've seen real sound improvements with each step I take.  I thought I'd hit a cost/benefit plateau by now but am pleasantly surprised I haven't. Think I'll have to sell some more of the equipment I have laying around so I can start upgrading. 

     

    Best

    DK

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    K-402 replacement

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    Posted

    19 hours ago, RandyH said:

    did you buy the k402

    No - The price was just too high for me - Could not justify it in my mind when I haven't really optimized what I have.  Maybe down the road a bit. I am also looking hard at the Jubes up in Connecticut. Very enticing.

     

    I have set up the REW analysis equipment and started looking at the basic perfomance of my system. It really helped in adjusting the L-Pads to balance the sound.

     

    Once I had the speakers set I did a system cal with each of my speakers then all the speakers together. It seems I have some serious spiking going on - especially in the mids.  I'm going to play with room set up for a while while I look for a DSP to level things out.   

     

    Can anyone give me recommendations for a reasonable DSP to start the next phase?

     

    Its tough searching for Audio Umami - aint it.

     

    Best

    DK

    K-402 replacement

    in Klipsch Pro Audio

    Posted

    13 hours ago, Paducah Home Theater said:

     

    Goodness where do I start with this thread as a whole.  

    1. Cory HAD some Jubilees on Facebook.  The veneered ones are all sold at this point, sold my last two pair on the same day on Sunday.  I have a pair of new black factory sealed ones available.  Was going to split them up but at this point I'm not interested as I will be stuck with an orphan forever.  That's it, other than the original factory prototypes of the new style from 2009.  

    2. Yes I have some 402's available, but, those are the entire assemblies.  That's the stands, horns, and compression drivers, not just the lens.  I've had multiple people contact me about the lens but that's not the case.  Literally everybody at Klipsch including Roy has said that it's perfectly fine to sell these assemblies by themselves since it's a standalone product with a Klipsch serial number so I'm not being shy about offering those for sale.  Yes I have the assemblies.  Yes you are free to buy them by themselves.  No I don't have just the lens.  


    3. Since believe it or not I can sense judgmental disdain, or at the minimum I feel that an explanation is warranted since that screenshot is now public... Klipsch customer support told me directly that I can offer individual upgrade parts from the Forte 4 to Forte 3 customers.  They weren't advertising it as  kit but I can order the parts individually.  I got about two "kits" out the door before a Klipsch employee saw it and started hollering about it being unauthorized.  As of now I have to halt selling these, perhaps while an internal debate is conducted, perhaps indefinitely, IDK.  Don't really care that much lol.  Personally I think offering a cheaper and easier upgrade path is the proper thing to do if the enclosure and woofer and radiator and mid horn is the same.  Just as one example, the first guy to buy these parts was from Seattle.  For him to upgrade easily, he'd have to take two days off from work, I'd have to arrange for a truck to pick up his Forte 3's, send them from Seattle to Kentucky, inspect and test them, send some Forte 4's to Seattle, then sell the used Forte 3's on eBay at a loss, then mess with a bunch of paperwork.  If the same thing can happen with a few parts, I'm all for it.  But others don't see it the same way.  Which is perfectly fine.  I have better things to worry about to be honest.  So, everyone disregard the Forte 3/4 upgrade comments please. :)  

     

    Could I get a price on two 402 assemblies please. Thx - Don

    K-402 replacement

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    Posted

    On 9/27/2021 at 9:09 PM, zeagan said:

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    I'm not sure what you're running for crossover with the K510/de75 combo but the above image is why you're going to think they don't sound right, it's measurements from 1m of a k691 (de75p 8ohm with a slightly modified diaphragm from what I understand) on a k510 clone (probably identical to yours) *the orange line, red is a JBL 2446h compression driver on the same horn. The K510 is (essentially, sort of) a constant directivity horn and as such you start to drop off above 3kHz pretty steeply (note above that you're about -8dB from 3kHz to 4kHz and then some bigger drops further up the frequency range, it is the nature of these types of horn and the 402 will do the same thing. Consider that to make up for this in a passive network you are attenuating the hell out of everything below 4kHz and that is why most people using these horns for that wide of a frequency range are using active parametric equalizers and shelf filters. Note they also have a gaping hole between 10kHz and 13kHz which is very audible which PEQ filters can smooth out.

     

    Here is some reading on constant directivity horns and why EQ is needed if you're into learning stuff.

    I can tell you right now, they sound like hot garbage with no EQ and they sound fantastic with it, what crossover are you using when you try the k510/de75? I feel like this will answer a lot of questions on the minds of people in this thread that have truly enjoyed that set of driver and horn that don't understand why you don't. 

     

     

     

    Much thanks - Especially for the reading material. Gives me something to chew on.

    I am using the crossover that came in the KPT-904 box and L-Pads to balace the bass module to the horn. I had read that the horns run hot to play through the theatre screen.  This simple balancing made a big difference in sound.

     

    Next step is to set up the REW to get some detailed data. I wanted to do it by ear first to try and train my listening but I think I've gone as far as I can with that approach.

     

    Much thanks

    Don

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    K-402 replacement

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    Posted

    Much thanks to all for your thoughts/guidance.

     

    PrestonTom - I will keep that offer in mind.  One of the biggest issues I have is that I have not heard what the sound can be - I am making all this up as I go. That's part of the fun.  Where are you approximately so I can see how far it is. If you are ever my way please feel free to stop in. 

     

    I will try some of the JBL horns on the KPT-904 box.  That could be an interesting comaparison. I'll let you now how it goes. I have both 2384 and the 2374 horns and drivers.

     

    I'l call Paducah Home Theatre tomorrow to see if they still have the K-402's. 

     

    I have done a lot with speaker orientation and locations to optimize the sound - based on my ears. I will get the UMIC/REW system running to see how close I dialed it in. Will probably be pretty humbling!

     

    I am not at the point of biamping or splitting my amp/pre set up.  For now I have an integrated amp and will optimize around that.  Long term, once I get the integrated system optimized, I will probably look at a split system where I can shape the sound better. 

     

    I also would like to state that the system sounds fantastic to my ears - with all three sets of speakers running concurrently. The K-510 is just slightly off from the others.  I thought I would have severe interference issues running the different Bass Units together.  I have horn loded, active enclosed, open and passive bass units running at the same time but the sound in much better that I thought it would be. I was actually pretty shocked at how good it sounds. I expect to see some issues with the Bass setup once I start the REW review and I can start turrning the bass units on an off to see how things change.

     

    If anyone is interested you are more than welcome to come by for a listen. I live outside Bangor Pa (Eastern PA between the Lehigh Valley and Stroudsburg Pa).  Would love to get another ear opinion. I am learning how to become an active listener. I have a ways to go but reading this and other boards has helped me immensly and I am very thankful for the input.

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    K-402 replacement

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    Thanks for the fast response.

     

    I am in the process of setting up my sound system. I kow there are many aspects and componets that need to be addressed and it is an iterative game where you make adjustments then reset the system to see how it sounds. I've pretty much set my amp/pre to my Rogue Audio Cronus Magnum 2 integrated and have done a lot of tube switching to get the sound I want. I may add a line of seperte amp/pre later so I can do better sound shaping. I've got a decent turntable in a Denon DLP-60L, my CD/DAC is a Cambridge Audio Azure 851C and I'm running a Pioneer RT-707 for my tapes.. Each step changing to these components really improved the sound. I know its not the best equipment out there but it is the best I'm going to run with for a while.

     

    On the speaker side I have gone through a lot of variations. I've had Heresy, Forte and Cornwalls both with and without the Crites upgrades. I have tried Vandersteens, Polk SDA SRS, Vienna Acoustics and a few other brands that I found wanting. They were all good speakers with great soud but it was not as full as i wanted - even at higher levels.  I wound up with a Lascala setup that sounded really good with the squawker, tweeter and crossovers upgraded. What was lacking was the sound that makes you feel like you are part of the music. About 6 months ago I got  KPT-904 and JBL 4722 speakers and have got them cleaned up, fixed up and setup in my listening area.  I started doing A/B/C comparisons between them and found they all brought something to the table that was a little different from each other.  I like the sound running all three sets at the same time - it makes me feel like I am in the middle of the music - especially with live music records and tapes.  The Lascala had a very crisp mid and high and the JBL had a different sounding but very natural sound.  The K-510 had a little bit of a tinny sound that detracted from the overall sound a little bit. I tried a couple JBL horns on the KPT-904  but they were worse.  What I am trying to find is a horn that compares to the K-402. I have never heard a K-402 but it is referenced as one of the best. 

     

    You note that just listening is not the best way to set up your system and I agree with you.  I'll be doing the REL analysis once I get the system where I want it to be with just listening. I look at the REL analysis as a tweak and my ears as that main feedback. I really don't know if that is corrrect or not as I'm making this all up as I go along (and really enjoying the process).  I figure I am looking for the 90% solution as my listining area is far from ideal - it is in my shop. I have one bay set up as my listening / electronics workbench area. I'll be happy if I hit the 90% mark with the setup. 

     

    I have searched extensively online but can't find any K-402's available and havent found any good suggestions for a replacement. I know the drivers are just as important as the horns. I am using B&C DE-75-8 drivers on the K-510. My understanding is that these are pretty good.

     

    Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

     

     

     

     

    K-402 replacement

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    Does anyone know of a very good sounding replacement speaker that is equivalent to a K-402 to go on a KPT-904 setup.  I have the knock-off K-510 and is sounds great but does not have the visceral feel I am looking for.  I am runnning the KPT-904 in parallel with a Lascala/KP-480 setup and a JBL-4722 setup.  The system sounds fantastic but I think the K-510 is a little underpowered for the group and doesn't balance in quite right. Thats why I want a larger horn for the KPT-904.

     

    I have added L-Pads to all and done a rudimentary balancing along with crossover upgrades, speaker wire upgrades and etc.  Still have a long way to go with the tweaking but I want to get the framework sounding right before I continue.

     

    Any and all thoughts are appreciated. 

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    B&C DE75-8 diphragm specs

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    I don't have one to compare to.  I looked at google images when I type in B&C DE75-8 in the search box and did not see one with the numbers. All my other searches came up empty.

    At witts end on next steps.  I'll probably buy a good replacement diaphragm then compare sound to see if I should use or change.

    B&C DE75-8 diphragm specs

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    Posted

    Need help understanding what diaphram I have on a B&C DE75-8 that I will be using for my  KPT-904 build. It is a goldenish color and has 8904 stamped on it. I have run out of places to check so I am hoping someone on the board might know. I will run with this one to start but would like to know my upgrade options going forward.

     

    Will also be selling a few extra ones I have once I get them documented.

     

     

     

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    KPT 904 Active Crossover Downstream of Amp?

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    That is what most of the threads show but there were a few that talked about adjustable crossovers in the downstream side. I may have misunderstood. 

     

    As you can tell - I am new to this and still trying to figure it out. 

     

    Should I use a low pass filter on the sub inlet to break the Hi and Low frequencies apart? Then what do I do on the hi side. 

     

    I do have an extra rebulit Klipsch Type AA crossover set from my LaScalas I could use but it is a 3-way and not a 2-way.

     

     

     

     

    KPT 904 Active Crossover Downstream of Amp?

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    Need some help deciding on an active crossover for my  2-channel 2-way setup. I listen to all types of music and use Vinyl, CD and R-to-R source materials.

     

    I am  trying out a number of speaker systems and switching around the horns between different bass bins: My goal is to find the best sounding system to my ears and in my room. This setup is in my home shop so I have a 22" by 24" space to fill and I am not worried about the cosmetics (No WAF involved). It may be I need 2 systems - one for Rock and one for Classical/Jazz.

     

    The Speaker components I have or will shortly finish putting together are:

     

    Lascalas with  KP 480 Bass Bins.  - Lascalas have upgraded crossovers, mids and tweeters.

    KPT 904 system with the K510 Horn - Still building

    JBL 4722 setup - system running with JBL 3722 horns. Waiting on the drivers and will switch to the 4722 horns. (1.5" vs 1" drivers)

    May try the JBL 4722 horn on the KPT 904 to see what happens

     

    I am using a Rougue Audio Cronus Magnum 2 as my amp/pre-amp.  This is an integrated tube amp so I cannot put the crossover between the pre-amp and the amp so it will need to go beteween the amp and the speakers.  I will be rolling the tubes a bit to see if it affects the speaker sets differently. Don't think it will but want to confirm. 

     

    I also run a 12" Velodyne Servo sub.

     

     I do not want to bi-amp - I am just looking for a hardware solution utilizing my Rogue.

     

    Will be using L-Pads to balance the Hi and Low frequency outputs on the theatre systems. I know the Hi frequencies run hot. 

     

    My goal is to find the best sounding system to my ears and in my room. I think of the above as a starting point. If I find more equipment I will add to thelineup to listen to.

     

    I am on the hunt for putting this system together as cheaply as possible so I will be looking at used equipment. 

     

    What I need is a good downstream crossover that has a bit of flexibility and does not require extended testing to set up.  I want to tweak it with my ears. Once I get the system set up I will get into audio analysis equipment and how to use it but that is in Phase 2 of this project. I have a LOT to learn there and  I am just not ready for it.

     

    I have researched crossover brands and these seem to be the recommended ones:

     

    DBX

    Ashley

    Bryston

    Behringer

    Xilica

     

    Before I get into reading manuals to see which ones are downstream capable and meet my needs I was hoping for some guidance/experience from the forum to shorten the list or, potentially, take it in another direction given the guidelines noted above. I am looking at the 80% solution on these - not the 100% solution.  

     

    All thoughts are appreciated. 

     

    KPT 904 Active Crossover Downstream of Amp

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    Posted

    Need some help deciding on an active crossover for my  2-channel 2-way setup. I listen to all types of music and use Vinyl, CD and R-to-R source materials.

     

    I am  trying out a number of speaker systems and switching around the horns between different bass bins: My goal is to find the best sounding system to my ears and in my room. This setup is in my home shop so I have a 22" by 24" space to fill and I am not worried about the cosmetics (No WAF involved). It may be I need 2 systems - one for Rock and one for Classical/Jazz.

     

    The Speaker components I have or will shortly finish putting together are:

     

    Lascalas with  KP 480 Bass Bins.  - Lascalas have upgraded crossovers, mids and tweeters.

    KPT 904 system with the K510 Horn - Still building

    JBL 4722 setup - system running with JBL 3722 horns. Waiting on the drivers and will switch to the 4722 horns. (1.5" vs 1" drivers)

    May try the JBL 4722 horn on the KPT 904 to see what happens

     

    I am using a Rougue Audio Cronus Magnum 2 as my amp/pre-amp.  This is an integrated tube amp so I cannot put the crossover between the pre-amp and the amp so it will need to go beteween the amp and the speakers.  I will be rolling the tubes a bit to see if it affects the speaker sets differently. Don't think it will but want to confirm. 

     

    I also run a 12" Velodyne Servo sub.

     

     I do not want to bi-amp - I am just looking for a hardware solution utilizing my Rogue.

     

    Will be using L-Pads to balance the Hi and Low frequency outputs on the theatre systems. I know the Hi frequencies run hot. 

     

    My goal is to find the best sounding system to my ears and in my room. I think of the above as a starting point. If I find more equipment I will add to thelineup to listen to.

     

    I am on the hunt for putting this system together as cheaply as possible so I will be looking at used equipment. 

     

    What I need is a good downstream crossover that has a bit of flexibility and does not require extended testing to set up.  I want to tweak it with my ears. Once I get the system set up I will get into audio analysis equipment and how to use it but that is in Phase 2 of this project. I have a LOT to learn there and  I am just not ready for it.

     

    I have researched crossover brands and these seem to be the recommended ones:

     

    DBX

    Ashley

    Bryston

    Behringer

    Xilica

     

    Before I get into reading manuals to see which ones are downstream capable and meet my needs I was hoping for some guidance/experience from the forum to shorten the list or, potentially, take it in another direction given the guidelines noted above. I am looking at the 80% solution on these - not the 100% solution.  

     

    All thoughts are appreciated. 

     

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