[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

On 11/12/2020 at 9:40 AM, Msuwendy said:

Can we just change the woofer to eminence delta pro 12a, i saw a guy build super heresy with that woofer in this forum, i saw my woofer K24 T500 is 8ohms, but yours T5000 will be K28 4ohms right? 

from extensive searching of the web it seems that the eminence delta pr 12a is the subtitute for the K42 from the klipsch pro series which is not popular for the Bass thump but very durable woofer CMIIW

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

Hi im returning to ask another few question after a long listen to this Tangent T500 vs T4000, so both are recepped with jetzen caps with the same value as the original and restored cabinet new glue and new stuffings, my concern is after a long read in the forum the T500/T5000 should have bigger and lower bass compare the ported one, but i seem to feel like the other way around, the T500 do feel Deeper than the T4000 but the T4000 seems to have more "forward" bass than the T500, whats weird is that i feel like with the same equipment and room, the T4000 seems to be more open and powerfull but not the T500 which is weird considering the size and the passive driver, anybody can help?

[Changing klipsch K24 or K27 to Eminence delta pro 12A]

On 11/16/2020 at 6:10 AM, RandyH000 said:

best woofer overall is the k28 Klipsch  4ohms , used in the T5000, and the Heresy  3-4 

But i need to modify the value cause its 4ohms, need to find something plug and play

[Changing klipsch K24 or K27 to Eminence delta pro 12A]

10 hours ago, Oicu812 said:

Changing the caps is what is needed, same values in your case.  What I did was to build what they call around here "Super Heresy", which involved changing my crossovers to basically a Cornwall B instead of a Heresy E.  It's not something you want to do with your new speakers, as it was designed for a different model.  @Msuwendy

Yes true my speaker is not heresy its a Tangent thats why i asked if i can just swab the woofer without changing the values of the caps

[Changing klipsch K24 or K27 to Eminence delta pro 12A]

55 minutes ago, Oicu812 said:

In the Heresy pair, I reworked the crossovers by replacing the capacitors, and exchanged the woofer with the Delta Pro.  It woke the nearly 50 year old speakers up.  Great sound, more bass, and just an all around great upgrade.  I would think about replacing all of the capacitors in your crossovers, as they are all 30 - 40 years old.

 

The K-24-K is the 12" woofer from a Heresy II and others.  It's a straight swap in, pull the old out and put the new one in.  I would suggest using 8 screws to put the new woofer in, as opposed to the 4 that the factory used.  Belt and suspenders, ya know...

 

If I had it to do all over again, I would.  It made that much difference.  How long have you had your speakers?

Thanks a lot for the reply, i just got it 2 days ago very beaten up speakers the tangent T500 but ongoing restoration right about now, crossover also upgraded with same value jenzten caps, and waiting for crites new TI dia for the tweeter, last will be di change the woofer to eminence just like what you recommend

 

Btw by means you reworked the crossovers u mean changing it to new caps with the same value right? 

 

Thanks

[Changing klipsch K24 or K27 to Eminence delta pro 12A]

22 minutes ago, Oicu812 said:

 

I swapped out the stock K-22's in Heresy 1's to the 12A rather successfully.  I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work for you, you can always put them back to stock if you don't like the result (which won't happen!).

K24 suppose to be the heresy 2 right? So you just plug and play? How does the bass response? Thanks, i need a loads of comment and research cause where im from there is no refund policies hahaha

[Changing klipsch K24 or K27 to Eminence delta pro 12A]

Hi 

 

I have a Tangent speaker and would like to know if i can change the K24K (T500) and K27K (T400) a bit of a research they are rated at the same 8ohms

 

Thanks

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

29 minutes ago, geoff. said:

 

 

I was under the impression that if you change the impedance of a driver in a crossover designed for a specific impedance the crossover point will change as well.  

 

 

Yes it did, but mine is 8ohm so with the same ohms can we just plug and play cause i dont want to spend the money and failed hahahah

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

33 minutes ago, geoff. said:

I have a pair of T-5000s and a pair of Heresy 2s.

 

At one time I thought of getting the H3 upgrade kit for the Heresy 2s.

 

But now I think it might be something to try in the T-5000s. Or in your case the T-500s.

 

You would get all of the H3 sonic improvement AND the inherent substantial bass of the T-5000...

Can we just change the woofer to eminence delta pro 12a, i saw a guy build super heresy with that woofer in this forum, i saw my woofer K24 T500 is 8ohms, but yours T5000 will be K28 4ohms right? 

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

9 hours ago, billybob said:

The baffle is the board that the speakers are mounted on.

You speak good enough english...

Thanks, my vocabulary is poor just basic english the measurement is weird 39inch x 14.9inch 

9 hours ago, billybob said:

 

Look at the values of the 5000 schematics and compare any difference, just for the doing.

Yeap trying to understand it

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

1 hour ago, Alexander said:

1 hour ago, Alexander said:

 

You may have to look at the xover for cap values as I don't recall seeing a schematic here on the board for the t500s. Maybe another member here just might and could post it up for us, or if you were to order Crites Ti tweeter diaphragms they could give it to you.

 

 

I dont know how to resize my photos but i can describe what i see

So there is 2 identical caps T1 1.5k200v mexico and 1 smaller caps .. I.. I.. 1.25microF 10% and a purple standing bottle (elco is it?) 68mfd 100v

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

1 hour ago, Alexander said:

 

You may have to look at the xover for cap values as I don't recall seeing a schematic here on the board for the t500s. Maybe another member here just might and could post it up for us, or if you were to order Crites Ti tweeter diaphragms they could give it to you.

 

 

Yeap, im looking for information regarding the woofer K24K is a 8ohm woofer now i have easy access on eminence delta pro 12a which is 8ohm as well, i wonder if its a possible substitue

36 minutes ago, billybob said:

Not a modder as such but just last week, there was a member asking about some as a project.

If you did a tangent search word, you will see him, and in the past others.

BTW, measure the baffle board for me. The rest are 1/2, but curious about the motor board.

Please...

Ill search for it, may i know what is the baffle board for me to help you measure? Sorry english is not my first language

31 minutes ago, billybob said:

Bob Crites and son have had many questions over time.

If they have an opinion or make a statement, just about would hang a Klipsch hat on it...

Yeap

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

1 hour ago, billybob said:

Just what I had, a stocker set.

Yeap i guess it is what it is, do you modify it? I mean there are forum discussing about changing to k28k? But Bob Crites said we need to change several of the caps

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

So i manage to disassemble the speaker and found out that this is the T500 not the T5000

Tweeter k76k

Squawker K53K

Woofer k24k

And ku120 at the passive

 

Yes all of it is original not replacement

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

29 minutes ago, Alexander said:

 

Here is the t5000 schematic I received from Crites and it did match what was in my pair of speakers. I point this out only because there is(was?) another listed at one time that was incorrect. And BTW here is a link to the area where many schematics are posted

 

https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/113804-klipsch-crossovers/

 

 

 

 

Thanks a lot really this is veru helpfull

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

Hi All

 

Thanks for all the response

 

ill answer it myself, yesterday i bought the T500/T5000 and here is my review to compare the T400/T4000 but heres is the problem i think the previous owner might have changed the active woofer so this comparison might not be accurate as the original ones but ill share it anyway 

The T500/T5000 have a deeper and bigger bass response compare to the T400/T4000 but that doesn't mean that we can have the "in your face" kind of bass, i think after owning Chorus 2, Tangent T400/4000 and Tangent T500/T5000 i can say that the bass character if klipsch is more to the "real" feeling of music itself not the "big fake" bass response, comparing the tweeter and squawker they are both almost identical to my ear 

comparing to the other brand such as the Wharfedale Linton that i own, that "big" bookshelf have more greater bass than the big T500/T5000 but it does lack the on the details and the soundstage, klipsch soundstage is awesome most of them are wide

 

as for my own setup i do use supplementary 10" subwoofer from the Wharfedale SW150, it helps to fill in the gap 

 

 

 

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

On 11/9/2020 at 11:14 AM, billybob said:

Not heritage old main line including the Belle, there is the KG line, the Legend line of 1 two way, and 2, 3 way Klf. And then there is the awesome Epic series 2 way Appolatino  design speakers. Fortes may be called extended Heritage by some. Except for the Belle, already mentioned in the main heritage, there is the awesome Cornwall of course.

ah yes the mighty Cornwall and Belle, thanks for the update lineup

On 11/9/2020 at 11:18 AM, billybob said:

As far as recap, this should not cost a sack of money. You should be able to recap for both using decent but not exotic caps, of which members here are well versed. DIY with just a little soldering skills, also spoken of here.

Yeap ill look into that

On 11/9/2020 at 12:43 PM, Alexander said:

 

This has been posted many times before but we will say it again – you will want to remove all drivers and re-seal all the seams inside the cabs. I used the original Gorilla glue on these t5000s - this can make a night and day difference to the sound. I have also used construction adhesive on many other cabs too.

 

Also for the most part the difference between the the t4000 & t5000 is the former has the k76 tweeter and the t5000 has the bit better k75 tweeter.

 

So for re-capping xo's - you can used either Dayton or Solen caps. But by no means are they the best but still a big step up from the stock caps just the same. I used Solen's in my set of t5000s and they really woke them up.

 

BTW, the Crites xo's are just a remake of the OEM schematic and not some special design. But if you have the $$ and not the skill set to DIY than there is nothing wrong going that route.

.

 

 

Sorry to keep bringing up the topic, i do google but no one seems to have it both at the same time and review it, ok i might lack the skill of soldering but if you can help me any detail of caps value to put change the stock, ill find someone who can help me do it, and thanks for the input regarding to reseal ill do it thanks


 

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

10 minutes ago, billybob said:

At least now your getting some information. FWIW I trust these guys opinions.

Think a recap on either might be the ticket.

More research...hang in there.

Yeap thanks a lot, recap is a must but quite a budget if i need to recap all of them, cause from the research the tagent seems to be the oddball or so called "budget" Klipsch, i dont think i would want to keep both of it

 

Out of the topic a bit for the 3 way klipsch, aside from the new so called heritage line (heresy, fortes, la scala and the klipscorn) the older discontinue model quartet and chorus (1 and 2), the last 3 way will be the KLF right? Or there are more? 

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

9 hours ago, billybob said:

Look for the T- 400 and the T-500 models. Basically the same or similar enough. Since you have the 5000 , you know the bass sound. It was good on the 500 but, I will go for  400/4000 next time.

Do the search and others will come to chime in... @Marvel

@alexanderfa.  @Alexander

I have the T4000 and found a T5000 in the listing thinking if i should get it for an upgrade, thats why i need an opinion

8 hours ago, RandyH000 said:

 the 4000  is  shorter than a 5000  by 5 inches------the 4000  is roughly the size of a Forte 2 , Both the 4000-5000 are very similar in performance to the Forte speakers -

Thanks for the response, i need to know if its a great upgrade or just to left it alone

7 hours ago, Alexander said:

 

That's right, the t4000 has forward facing ports and not a passive like the t5000s, haven't thought of that in a while.

 

The t5000 in a somewhat crowded 12x13ft bedroom is rather bass heavy at elevated volumes. But they work great for low volume levels for going to sleep at night listening to things like Stephen Pepin, Scott August or even Adam Hurst.

 

I should add that I am not a large bass fan when listening to music. If it is in the recording great but I do not want to exaggerate it in any way.

Thanks

6 hours ago, geoff. said:

The T400/500 use the same woofer as the Heresy 2, the 8 ohm K-24. 

 

The T4000 uses a K-27(?).

 

The T5000 uses the same woofer as the Heresy 3, the 4 ohm K-28.

 

I have owned Heresy 2s, Forte 2s, Tangent 500s and Tangent 5000s (short list).

 

I still own the T-5000s. Did a head to head against the Forte 2s in the middle of the room once and actually preferred them. Did not expect that...

 

While I was tinkering with crossovers in my LaScalas I was pleasantly surprised by their capability filling their space during the down time.  Did not expect that one either...

 

I have not owned the T4000, but not only does the bass spec lower than the T4000 on the T5000 (38 vs 35hz), the efficiency is 2db higher (97 vs 99 dbl). That difference would be noticeable. And I have no idea what a K-27 is.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the opnion above, i got my self a chorus2 but need one more smaller size, thats why i got the klipsch T4000, its kindda lack of bass, waiting for crites ti dia and saving for the crossover but if it the T5000 is better id rather save the upgrade for T5000

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

Just now, billybob said:

Look in the archive with a search while waiting...

Yes i do find the tangent 5000 review alone, but couldnt find the 4000 and the 5000

 

So far i got chorus 2 and T5000 and the fortes 1 and 2 and T5000

 

Thanks

[Klipsch Tangent 4000 and Tangent 5000]

Hi all

 

Has anyone hear this speaker side by side as a comparison? 4000 uses front ports and the 5000 uses passive radiators, would love to know hows the bass response? 

 

I cant find much about these speaker and how do they compare to each other

 

Thanks

[Klipsch KG4 vs RP floorstanding series]

On 9/13/2020 at 5:42 PM, willland said:

 

I wanted to specify that I quickly sold the KG4s and not the Fortes.  The Fortes hung around much longer than the KG4s and were not sold until a few years later after I acquired a minty pair of oak oil Quartets.  The Fortes were very balanced with great punch and attack.

 

Bill

Yesh currently own chorus 2 so i might hold off in buying this speaker maybe wait for KG5.2

On 9/17/2020 at 1:01 AM, EpicKlipschFan said:

 

just to clarify, the KG4 do not have 10" wooofers,  pretty sure they are 8".

Yesh im sorry youre right, its double 8 and 12 passive, thanks

[Klipsch bass response heritage line and RP/RF line]

On 9/15/2020 at 10:15 AM, MechEngVic said:

Having listened to both Chorus II's and RF-7 II's (not the III's, but they both have a similar bass response) in the same room with the same amplifiers (VTA ST-120, 60 WPC tube amp, Mcintosh MC-275) I can give you this simplified description of each's bass response: The Chorus II's are room shakers, and the RF-7 II's are chest pounders. Don't get me wrong, they both shake the room and pound the chest, but they stand out in the ways I mentioned.

 

And let me say this again because I keep reading it mentioned: The Chorus II's DO NOT NEED A TON OF WATTS TO POUND. I owned Chorus II's for many years and ran them with several SS 100+ watt amps (and a 1000 watt Crown mosfet amp), and the best sound and most room-bouncing bass came from a 35 WPC Dynaco ST-70 Series II tube amplifier (which I still own). Sadly, I sold the Chorus II's.

 

And the RF-7 II's absolutely ripped the house apart with the 60WPC of the VTA and the 75WPC of the MC-275. The 8ohm impedence of Klipsch speakers is what makes them so efficient. Don't let anyone tell you any different.

 

If you and your dad are looking for that chest pounding bass, speakers with direct radiating woofers sitting up high like in the RF-7 series might be what you're looking for. If you want the accurate bass (especially the upper bass frequencies 150-500 Hz) then the horn loaded woofers of the Khorn/Lascala speakers are better. The heresy IV's are probably just too small for the bass impact and volume you're looking for.

This is a bulls eye explanation hahaha, yeap i just demoed the RF7 3 yesh exactly its a chest pounding bass and not as huge ad chorus 2, and yesh we manage to audition loads of amplifier from ss to tubes, one thing for sure the heritage line loves tubes, my chorus 2 run 32watt full tube integrated, i do have quicksilver vintage and adcom SS power from my grandpa 300watt wpc if im not mistaken, and while the vocal seems to open up and the bass extent a little low in the chorus 2 but the overall it felt soo stiff, the 32 watt tube integrated felt just right well rounded deep bass but not as low

 

The steep pricepoint of RF7 III make us decide not to buy it maybe we'll the older two way model KG 5.2/KLF33 or RF7 II if me manage to find one

 

Thanks a lot

[Klipsch bass response heritage line and RP/RF line]

11 hours ago, billybob said:

Speaking to Klipsch and bass, agree that designs were not interested in anything but authentic bass output.

Having said that, in addition, also

have come to think, they had in high consideration getting the most true bass sound as reasonable per cabinet design parameters.

A reason for purchasing a CF-1

pair were the specs on the bass.

Reading reviews helped me out.

For 6.5 inch drivers, Klipsch did a great job in the bass dept. 

Just me...

Yeah i think this might be the case the heritage line is an instrument to create the real feel of the real sound thats why they dont emphasize on extra bass

 

6 hours ago, garyrc said:

 

 I think that was the Heyser review of the Klipschorn in AUDIO magazine.

 

"Then a funny thing happened. The sound of a slammed car door sounded like a slammed car door on the K-horns, but sounded like muffled "whumps" on the "wider range" system. The same with helicopter fly-overs (quite frequent where I used to live) and with the sound of distant traffic. I never forgot that experiment nor its ear-opening ramifications with regard to sonic accuracy versus measurement. Quite true, I have listened to many excellent subwoofers that could shake the walls at 10 Hz, while the K-horn produced little sound pres- sure even an octave above that frequency. But in my personal opinion, accurate percussive bass is a specialty which a properly set up corner horn seems to have to itself."

 

@Msuwendy:

• The room counts for a lot, as does the position in the room, and the listener's position in the room.  If either you or the speakers are sitting in a null, it can turn down the bass within a certain frequency band by quite a lot.  Google "Audio: room acoustics and nulls."
• After getting yourself and the speakers in the best position, turn up the bass on your integrated amp, if you can.  It's possible that there are no tone controls.  If so, then consider an equalizer, IF you have a processor loop, or a way to make it work.
   

Thanks for the explanation

 

5 hours ago, RandyH000 said:

First of all , the JBL 4333A had 15 inch woofers , the bass was at 35hz , no way the Heresy 4 can do the same with a 12 inch woofer , you would need a Cornwall 4 -  

 

as far as power ,  I would say both of your speakers would benefit from more SS power, The Heresy 4 , need a 100 watts amp minimum  , the Chorus 2 ,needs clean power 150 watts ,per channel  minimum ,  it can handle 400 watts peak , and had very good bass with a higher power amplifier ------the more , the better

Hes waiting for the cornwall to come i hope he can find his old school "sound" In it

 

What amp do you recommend for the new generation? Not a vintage rig if possible

[Klipsch bass response heritage line and RP/RF line]

12 hours ago, Ceptorman said:

An EQ can add unwanted distortion also. Have to play with it a little.

 

12 hours ago, ILI said:

 

Is that also the reason why the 'loudness' button was invented? For adding bass when listening at less than live volume? 

 

So when you turn the volume to live levels, you must turn off 'loudness'. 

 

11 hours ago, billybob said:

Most vintage gear has them.

Some would leave it off, opting for using tone controls. Think it was something like 6db boost.

Typical physical equalizer s have similar. Along with bypass of course. Done right, it sounds good at easy listening levels, and turned off when going higher volume.

Not sacred though...

We are using 100 watt modern Cayin tube integrated so the option is not there