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---------------- On 11/9/2003 12:34:36 AM skonopa wrote: ---------------- On 11/8/2003 8:49:21 PM ccsakura wrote: Enjoy it and I'm waitin for my Elite VSX-43TX ---------------- Sweet, I see you settled your little reciever delima. I think you'll enjoy that VSX-43TX. I have listened to some of the Pioneer Elite units, and I am impressed. They are good units. ---------------- Yea I had too many doubt about the refurb's warranty(my PM 5.1 sub was just blown.......... ). Gotta play safe games in a short period of time(psychologically needs to be recoevered for a particiular time ). Btw how does the Denon 3802 do when it acts as a preamp???

Congrats on the new amp!! Enjoy it and I'm waitin for my Elite VSX-43TX

---------------- On 11/7/2003 9:06:27 PM michael hurd wrote: Just make sure of the terms, and conditions of sale. Find out if the company is a authorized dealer, what their return/repair warranty is like and feedback, especially an e-tailer. ---------------- Yea it's ecost and I checked about it, it has 90days for parts and labor. I really doubt about is that enough for me(I plan to use the reciever for a year at least). They have add-on with service net but that means it's extra money. That means...... 3802's out?

God I just found out there's a deal for Denon 3802 refurb for $450. H/K's out and added denon 3802 comparing to Elite VSX-43TX now!

---------------- On 11/7/2003 7:17:44 PM michael hurd wrote: If the midnight mode is anything like the night mode on the marantz that I have, what it does is take a dolby digital signal, and compresses the dynamic range, so the difference between the loud portions and the soft portions is lowered. I am not 100 % sure if this also works in dts as well. ---------------- I'm trying to understand the idea, is that the sound will be constantly at certain volume level(like constantly humming) in order to reduce the difference?? Don't worry about the DTS that I won't have any extra energy to watch dvds after a whole day classes

---------------- On 11/7/2003 6:49:35 PM skonopa wrote: I have been hearing alot of good things about the Pioneer Elite models of recievers. There are a few folks that have some of the higher-end models, such as the 45TX or 47TX. The 49TX is the highest end, but it'll set you back some serious money . Yeah, if you were originally thinking of going for the Pioneer VSX-2912K, the Pioneer Elite 43TX is a big step up!. As for Denon, well, I personally have a Denon AVR3802 and I love it! You might be able to find the AVR2803 which is only one model down for that $500. However, you may be able to find the AVR3802, which is "last year's model" for that same $500, especially since it has been replaced by the AVR3803. There could still be some outfits that are still trying to get rid of a few of those. ---------------- I checked out about the 3802 and it's going up to $600, I guess I'm not gonna pick it altho $100 difference(even without shipping it'll go up to $650 grade if like this, out of my expected too much, I'll keep it around $500). So AVR 2803 and Elite VSX-43TX and H/K 330 left.............

I read about what you mentioned Denon 1804 outlaw 1050 and AVR 225(they have new 230 is released for replacing 225). Those 3 are 6.1channels that I don't intereset to pick one at the moment(gonna use this reciever for years). If they were comparing Pioneer Elite VSX-43TX, H/K has AVR 330 and Denon has 2803(They are sharing similar price to each other). I can't figure out too many difference between them except H/K's driving with 55watts,Denon has 90watts elite VSX-43TX has 100 watts(and THX cinema mode). I'm interested in VSX-43TX's midnight mode, how does it work and is it working well? I usually come home late and listen to music for an hour at midnight(yea really 12am, "midnight mode" this term suits me ). I guess I should switch my name to be questionable newbie . Thanks

---------------- On 11/7/2003 5:31:11 PM skonopa wrote: What did you originally decide on? This ought to allow you to at least consider the next model up. There are several decent recievers you can get for $500. For example, the Denon AVR1804 is one. The H/K AVR-225 is supposed to be another good model. The Outlaw 1050 is another good one. Onkyo has a couple models in that price range. There are several Yamaha recievers in that price range also. I imagine there are a few others, but these are some of the better mentioned names. Also, don't rule out the the discountinued or refurbished units. You can find some really nice stuff with a little searching around. ---------------- When I had the $250 I was thinking of getting parasound zamp(stereo amp) or pioneer VSX-D912K. And I tried to look for better model about pioneer and found out there's good comments about pioneer Elite 43TXi, is that a good one??(Also considering it's older model in pioneer but still new comparing to the others). What about compare it to the Denon and Outlaw?(I'm interested by those 3 brands actually. My uncle had an Onkyo 6.1(forgot what model it was, but can't drive me into it ). Thanks

---------------- On 11/7/2003 4:30:58 PM tgourlie wrote: I strip all streams and extras as well as menus. The exact copy of the movie only usually fits on the 4.7 disc. I never watch the extras anyways. the movie itself is usually just around 4GB. But long movies like the matrix reloaded don't fit. Then do they still compress the picture? If so do you know how? It can't be total frames or frames per second cause they are the same. ---------------- I'm not sure how the compression works but it is compressing the video(not frame per sec, that'd be the same because of having same format and same to the total frames) Maybe this screenshot from DVDshrink will answer your question about it Hope it helps

---------------- On 11/7/2003 3:02:37 PM tgourlie wrote: I have DVD X Copy Express, and DVD X Copy(useless). DVD X Copy Xpress makes sure the movie fits on one disk. No menus etc. The movie by itself will usually fit on one disk, with no compression what-so-ever. but backing up The Matrix Reloaded and The Italian Job, the movie was 5.1GB which won't fit on one disk 4.7GB. DVD Xpress somehow "compressed" them to fit almost exactly 4.68GB. Now I put the originals and the back-ups into IFOedit and other DVD software to check Frames per second, Frame size, total frames, bits per second, sampling rate, etc. and they are all the same. I don't know how Xpress did it. I don't know how it works, but I know why it works. ---------------- They actually compress the image quality little bit in order to fit the dvd-9 size into dvd-5 size(4.7gb). Btw pick the menu as well, only 10mbs for adding the menus?? I usually keep the features while doing it

That'd be a good idea to have the UPS for it(for some certain places' power isn't stable and it jumps every single day and their computers restart because of the power jumps, like my friend's dorm in school). The surge comes after the power went out(u pull like 30A power from a outlet and all turn on in the same time) also hurts(or even your house's fuse will be blown). Go ahead and pick a good UPS

---------------- On 11/6/2003 11:10:04 PM skonopa wrote: ---------------- Three lines of speakers meant the tower/bookshelf and satallite speakers...... sorry my bad English(not a native speaker tho...). ---------------- Ahhh, okay - I undersand now! You were wondering why they make the 3 different lines of speakers at the same time. Simple, to cater to the different segments of the market. Not everybody wants or can afford the big floorstanders, so they may opt for the smaller bookshelfs. There will be people that don't even want something as large as the bookshelfs, or can even afford those, so thus the yet still smaller satellites. Even with in the individual lines, there are the various models. For example in the case of the Klipsch Reference series floorstanding speakers, they have the RF-15 at the lowest end all the way up to the big RF-7s (which is what I have). This caters to those that want the floorstanding speakers, but want a model that will fit in thier room and/or budget. Just the same with cars. Not everybody wants a big SUV or truck, so they opt for a sedan. Then there are those that may not want or can afford a sedan, so they go for the smaller hatchback or sub-compact, i.e, the VW Beetle. That's cool, I was wondering if you cribbed that from Anime or not. Anyway, that is what this forum is for and we are glad to help. Welcome to the boards. ---------------- Thanks for anotehr explanation about the speakers. And I started to figure out my satallite aren't big enough for my bedroom(just moved into a new room that's 15ftx20ft or just an excuse for buyin new speakers ). Cool I love warm welcome Thanks

Just got another news for myself that I have $500(comparing still not much, but doubled from the previous $250). The good thing is i'm gonna pick a better reciever/amp, the bad thing is I've to decide all over again . What to pick what to pick? <------ delight about it and went mad

---------------- On 11/6/2003 9:21:44 PM 3dzapper wrote: ccsakura, The dual inputs like on a Klipsch RF-3, etc. are a provision to bi-wire (two wires to the same speaker one for highs, one for bass) They are connected by a gold plated bress jumper for normal operation. As long as the jumper is in place you can hook your speaker wires to either set of terminals and enjoy. Rick ---------------- Thanks for another info about the dual input!! I think I'll get a pair of bookshelf speakers in the future and see the difference (all are satellite in this moment )

---------------- On 11/6/2003 5:24:54 PM skonopa wrote: The big difference is mainly just size, and as a result, the bass response will not be as good as you get smaller. The floorstanders are the big towers, such as the RF-7s. These are usually trully full-range speakers that will have the best bass response, especially the so-called "powered towers". Powered Towers (such as the old RP-5), have powered subwoofers within the speaker cabinents, along with the mid-range and tweeter drivers. The downside is that these types of speakers tends to be pretty large, especially as you move up the line. It seems that many a spouse don't like having these big speakers in thier rooms, and a whole surround sound system made up of these tends to start looking like "Stonehendge" Bookshelf speakers are usually the "little brother" to the big floorstanding towers, such as the RB-5 vs RF-5. The only real difference is these are made to be put in bookshelfs. The good thing is that tese will fit better in smaller rooms or for those that don't want the big full-sized floorstanders. The downside is that the bass is not as full sounding as the full-sized speakers, thus making a subwoofer a necessity. Satellites are smaller still than the bookshelfs. These are definitly for the person that does not have a lot of space or do not like the big, boxy speakers. Again, the bass will suffer every more with these. That is why you'll often hear of "sub/sats" systems - subwoofer packaged with 5 (or more) satellite speakers. These systems seems to be very popular with the wives/women of the house, since they are much less intrusive than the larger bookshelfs and floorstanders. Just look how popular the little Bose cubes are, despite the fact that there are often better sounding products out there for less money (which are often just as sleek or stylish). These are also often, but not always, cheaper than the larger speakers. As to which to get, it entirely depends on your room size, tastes and budget. A general rule of thumb is that larger is often better. Unfortunatly, the larger speakers often take more space, are more expensive, and may be intrusive to a room's general decor. I don't know what you mean by "neccessary for making 3line samultanously??". I think something is getting lost in the translation here? Just out of curiosity, do you happen to be living in or from Japan or Korea? I am just basing that from your name "Sakura". If you are asking is the larger speakers necessary for the front three, than I am going to say not really. It is ideal to have the three biggest speakers you can fit in the front, and the three be the same brand/line, or even better, same model. These three speakers, especially the center, makes up most of the sound in a movie, and it is important that they match since there are often a lot of lef/right pans across the front. Unfortunatly, that is not always possible. For example, there was no way I could fit 3 RF-7s in the front of my room, so I had to use the RC-7 (which is in the same line as the RF-7s, but not the same model) for the center channel. I hope this helps ---------------- Thanks for detail answer. It let me understood why do the bookshelf speakers and tower speakers have more than 1 input . I was trying to figure this out everytime I went some shops that sell speakers Three lines of speakers meant the tower/bookshelf and satallite speakers...... sorry my bad English(not a native speaker tho...). Sakura was a japanese name/flower but I picked from an animate only ..... settling in long island but not out of state Thanks alot

sorry about that I posted after I had 8hours of classes and 16hours of school(yea I was in school for 16hours yesterday). I was asking about what are the difference between bookshelf speakers, floorstanding speakers and satallite(well the quality does make difference) and is it neccessary for making 3line samultanously?? Just talking in front surround speaker wise in X.1 system(not rear surround or stereo)

---------------- On 11/6/2003 6:47:27 AM Underhanded Penguin wrote: Just curious: Why would you even ask Amy's advice on such an unrelated topic?? Do you know her? It's not even Klipsch related. ---------------- they have softawre wise forum(scroll down from the list) but people just barely read it.............

I was wondering about this for a little while........ why there's having 3lines of surround speaker with floorstanding/bookshelf/satallite(without suitable for the room size, just for quality and purposes). Or in other words, what are their good and bad?

I use DVD shrink sometimes and just cut the channels that's not needed(most DVDs carry 2channel AC3 DTS all in once, I just need DTS or AC3 and cut off rest of them. Do little compression on video quality(I don't really see the difference for 1 to 5 level's compression, I'm not too good with my eyes). You can try it tho, it's freeware

I had the DD5.1 earlier and wasn't really satisfied(it looks like designed for xbox but i didn't have it). They have 3types of input: RCA(stereo only), coaxial and digital. It forces you go up to digital signal or stereo. There's no analog 5.1/6.1/7.1 input. Not really a good choice for my need(might be great for others that has digital signals component). If you use dvd player etc that has digital signal all the time that'd be fine (you are gonna have AC3 or DTS all the time at that moment) or stick with reciever(however the dolby prologic II was really great, I put it on my TV and it rocked ). Hope it helps

---------------- On 11/4/2003 12:04:13 PM DMF wrote: First, the Pioneer has pre-outs. You can plug the Zamp into any of the channels you want. Doing so is a start toward a separates system using decent amps instead of the (probably shi##y) ones in the Pioneer. Eventually the Pioneer can become just a pre-amp / source switch. (BTW, 30 clean RMS Watts is a lot of juice for small speakers.) But second, I'm unclear on what you plan for future HT? You proposed configurations use *only* the Revo as a source. Aren't you going to have other sources like HDTV tuner? cable or satellite box? broadcast or satellite radio tuner? DVD player? etc etc? How do you plan to handle those? Thanks for the idea about the getting thru Zamp into Pioneer's preout(yea stupid me that didn't think of that before). It makes up my mind that I'd probably grab the Zamp first and get the reciever or better multi channel amp afteron I think I'll keep in single source because I want to turn my computer into the HTPC and bring all the sources into it(Cable DVD etc and add a projector for it later ). It might be a bad idea for doing clean source as getting seperate system but due to limited budget again .

---------------- On 11/3/2003 8:32:04 AM cdsang wrote: Well even thought you wanted 5.1, this may get you started to good gear. Audioadvisor is an authorized dealer for all the things they sell and they have a 2 channel parasound amp for 250. It would certainly beat out 2 channel recivers. Later you can buy 2 more and have 6.1 or buy a 5 channel amp from them. Hope this helps. CD ---------------- Thanks for the info about the parasonud amp, it's really attractive one and jsut fit my budget . Well..... one more thing would be in the consideration now . I knew the amp that'd beat others stereo reciever but what about the multi channel?(Yea I got 5speakers on already, not starting with null) First config: Computer(Revo)---->Pioneer VSX-D912K----->Speakers 2nd Cnofig: Computer(Revo)----->Parasound zamp------>Front surround(Quintet) Computer(Revo)------->Promedia 5.1 Sub--------> Center/Rear surround The thing that blocks me to pick the ZAMP was my front speakers are not floor standing or bookshelf that's just surround(not giving good basssssss to me ) and leave the job to PM 5.1's sub(and ZAMP was only 30watts for stereo speakers, is that fine?) Sorry guys so many questions and so many tradeoffs. But really learning alot from here : . Thanks alot(but questions keep going on)

---------------- On 11/3/2003 12:42:33 AM DMF wrote: Cool. I'm learning something here. Hmmm. Just looked at the Pioneer you mentioned. It has 7.1 input - looks like analog. You already have one? So what was the issue again? That you need a second set of 7.1 for the Revo card? ---------------- ATM i'm trying to do with 5.1 or I'll upgrade afterwards(yea no point for doing 7.1 this moment yet.....). So I'll just leave the ability of upgrading on My connections will be like this: Computer(Revo)------>reciever/amp----->speakers

---------------- On 11/2/2003 8:28:31 PM DMF wrote: I don't think there's a good answer. (Hopefully someone will prove me wrong.) You can have the 5.1 system by going into powered speakers. Promedia GMX D-5.1 runs about $240 from newegg.com, so that's your price point. Sounds pretty good too. But it takes the digital output (presumably the Klipsch DAC isn't awful). ProMedia Utra 5.1 takes the 6 discrete outputs, but runs $390. It's probably the way I'd go for a 5.1 computer system. But then how to turn it into a HT system for other sources? Wish I knew. ---------------- The reason that I got 4ohms and 8ohms speakers are the center/rear surrounds are from PM 5.1 and the front surround speakers are quintet. I actually extracted it from the PM 5.1 and going to upgrade into a really HT system instead of having multimedia system grading anymore(just gonna make the pc into HTPC but more computerized). That's why I want a reciever/amplifier so that I can upgrade my speakers afterwards Most of the recievers have the 5.1 input and it can be switched from 3.5mm into rca for doing that(by analog) or just digital coaxial.

---------------- On 11/2/2003 3:36:36 PM DMF wrote: I wouldn't worry about the impedance. 4 ohms isn't that big a deal. It does suggest a different level of efficiency between the 4 and 8 ohm speakers that might take some balancing out, there should be no problem presented to the amp(s). The Revo is a nice card! I'm not clear on what you're trying to do. I have one of mine plumbed into a receiver as a (stereo) source. The other is driving a powered speaker system. If you're thinking like me that you'd like to drive a n.1 HT system, I'm not sure that there's a way to do it using the discrete channel outs. Haven't seen a preamp/receiver that accepts n+1 channels in. Probably have to run the digital out into a receiver. Which kinda defeats the purpose, IMHO. Why bypass one of the best DACs you have? http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/images/smilies/14.gif"> ---------------- If it's alrite about the impedance, I'll leave it alone The way I'm trying to connect is doing the analog way(not using digital out of my Revo card). The main reason I start with this because I'm going to upgrade my computer speakers system into an entry level of HT system (probably getting projector afterwards woohoo). I need something to power my speakers, therefore I need a reciever or amplifier. I've checked about the amp and the price is all 600+ that out of budget this moment(just spent thousands on decorating new room ). Or is there some cheaper amp that costs lesser for multiple channel speakers(5.1 or 6.1) that I didn't know. Or should I just go back to the reciever like pioneer VSX-D812K/912K(or any recommendations?)? Sorry too many questions from this newbie to HT