AnalOg
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God bless.
Tom
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Hi,
You need to buy a SPL meter from Radio Shack, this will allow you to set all the channels at the correct level from your viewing spot.
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Huh, what did you guys say!
Tom
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Gary you cheated.
Tom
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Screw the amp. Just plug your K-horns into the wall AC socket.
LMAO
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Pink Floyd - The Wall
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I really liked this movie for the entertainment factor also. The DTS soundtrack is alot hotter than the DD, it sounded enemic in my system by comparison.
Tom
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It's a pleasure to read your reviews, keep it up.
Tom
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Lordy, Tom...Amazing. Hit it on the nose? Hmmm...It's like almost being on a different page, in my view.
I have heard so few 300-600w solid state amplifiers that I thought did the music justice, it's almost tragic.
kh
ps - On the Home Theater front, I don't mix the two. I have not heard a home theater system do music anywhere near the capability of my dedicated music system(s). It's a whole different ballgame. On another note, I put the Watts ratings of the B&K in bold since most evidently don't read more than a few words per paragraph.
I will make myself clear one more time, my two channel system has no issues with dynamics, musicality and all the other wonderful traits that go along with two channel music enjoyment.
My HT system which is a completely different setup (look at my profile) is what I'm discussing the merits of and would like to take to another level. As a matter of fact I've lost on two auctions in the past 3 weeks trying to snag a Sunfire Cinema Signature Grand. This baby does 425 watts into 8 ohms and respectfully doubles as the ohms are halved. the purpose for adding the extra horse power is not so I can run my system at a steady 100+ db's it to allow for the added HEADROOM that we have been discussing in this thread. I think this is the missing link to my HT enjoyment.
Tom
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The HT system above say 95 dbs. starts to strain, that is why I'm lusting for more wattage so I can turn it up further without it exhibiting that compression issue that was being discussed earlier in this thread...
It's crazy but the first time I had my Chorus II's hooked up to a thousand watts I had no clue how loud it was because it was just so clean at those levels. After one song of pure sonic bliss I pulled out the SPL meter and noted I was listening at 100dB (A weighted slow). Sure I thought it was loud, but not 100dB loud. Hearing damage would still occur at these levels so when cranking it I leave an SPL by my side, but since it's so clean it's still enjoyable. But in a way, I kinda missed the power compression because it helps fatten up the sound - and with the Chorus II's and my source material, I just need that extra 2dB below 100Hz - which I can't seem to get because my reciever's LFE out isn't strong enough to drive the input impedance on my pro amp powering the subs (so everything max'ed out all the way results in that same annoying flat response) [
]Oh wait, I almost forgot..."I like my super flat response" [
]Dr. Who,
You Hit it on the nose also, that's what I'm talking about!
Tom
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Max wrote:
"Since when do we measure speaker quality by how loud they can go (dynamics in tact or otherwise)? "
Who said anything about measuring the quality of speakers by how loud they can go?
"What would the point be for anyone listening at sane levels - say 85 dB RMS in having anything approaching 400 wpc with a speaker with 104 db/w/m sensitivity and a maximum continuous rating of 100 wpc?"
The point that is being made which I entirely agree with is the higher wattage available the Higher SPL's can be accomplished keeping the dynamics intact.
You ever listen to a really bad stereo system or HT in a box system, I have, my friends & family buy these $300.00 HT systems and ask me to set them up. At 85 dbs. it gives my ears pain in a way that I would perceive it's to loud, on the other hand my systems both HT & 2 channel at 85 dbs. are not fatiguing what so ever. The HT system above say 95 dbs. starts to strain, that is why I'm lusting for more wattage so I can turn it up further without it exhibiting that compression issue that was being discussed earlier in this thread. Mind you I'm only experiencing this with my HT system, I have no issues with dynamics in my 2 channel setup.
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Also, mdeneen, you still might be confusing distortion with loss of dynamics. You lose dynamics as you turn up the volume and only certain aspects of the song will get louder - but not all. When the flute starts sounding on even keel with a kick drum, it's all out of whack and rackety. You might think it's distortion, but it's not. It's out of proportion and sounds like loud, ear-bleeding crud.
Jeff - You seem to be saying emphatically that those here without high wpc (300+) cannot crank it because they lose 'dynamics' and hence it sounds bad at very loud levels. Do you not think that it's even remotely possible you are wrong until you've visited every member's listening room? Isn't it possible that they (maybe not all) very well CAN turn it up loud and ALSO retain quality and/or dynamics? It just seems to me that most here are pretty savvy & probably have good ears and I would think they would be able to tell the difference or admit to not being able to crank it cleanly?
I'm willing to bet money that those with less 300+ WPC, etc. can indeed crank it without losting quality & your dynamics. I mean, we don't even know for sure if there will be a tomorrow - so to issue such a blanket statement of fact just doesn't seem what a thinking person would do. I mean, this may have been the case with your particular gear you've used to historically test this - but this doesn't necessarily mean it's fact to everyone out there.
Meagain,
What you need to equate into this line of thinking is how hi of SPL levels a certain individual is looking to enjoy. My HT system in my big room doesn't have enough head room to enjoy the movies at the SPL levels I would like to listen at. The sound gets compressed as you turn it up, therefore that enviroment needs more wattage to get that effortless sound to be produced in such a large room.
On the other hand, my two channel system which is in a different room and of tube topology can create very high SPL's with great dynamics to boot.
Tom
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"Klipsch made their Heritage to handle 100 watt continuous and 400 watt peaks. That was no accident, and it was meant to be used. Seems half around here have never seen the top end of the speaker's qualities actually used."
By this logic if my car is capable of doing 5000 rpm in fifth gear I should - even if that means doing 150 mph?
No, Max. It means you don't need a car that does the 5000 rpm if you don't want to go 150mph. So, if you drive 55 in such a car, you are wasting some of the car's qualities. You might prefer to waste those qualities, and if so, that's fine. I think wasting some of a car's qualities is different when you start analogizing to speakers. Why waste the qualities that Klipsch put in? You won't get in a wreck, and they will sound just fine - even at MUCH higher volumes.
The problem is people can't imagine that the higher volumes won't sound "overboard loud." When you crank that 30-watter, it might sound louder than cranking a 300-watter at 100-watts. Because when you crank that 30-watter, it gets AWFULLY rackety. It's the racket that people think defines a limit of loudness. The news is that it does not. It defines the limit of loudness people WANT to hear. If you can crank 100-watts through a 300-watt amp, it won't be rackety, and people will not consider it to be as "loud" as the racket you get when cranking a 30-watt amp toward its limit.
Jeff you hit it on the head, good job.
Tom
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Wow, an audio salesman that kowledgeable about audio, that's a rarity.
Tom
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In my two channel system I have no choice but to run flat, not that I have the desire to change it. As it plays a balanced sound to these deaf ears.
My HT system in the family room has a Pioneer vsx47tx receiver hooked up in the mix. It has one of those automatic setup functions that sets the EQ settings automatically when you hook up the mic and activate the "auto surrond sound setup". When I have the EQ function on it sounds enimic to me, turning it off the system sounds much more dynamic and alive, so I perfer it off at this point.
Tom
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Allan,
For free? Figures you wouldn't put anything in the tip jar....
Chris
Back in the early to mid-80's I would have been lucky to afford a couple of beers and two bucks for the band!!
But I always put money in the tip jar!!
You know what, Ms Krall is better looking today than she was at 22. No kidding.
Hey, I'm better looking now than I was 20 years ago, go figure![
]Tom
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Your wife is correct IMHO. Music should not be played during dinner. Dinner is quality time for husband and wife (and children, if any). I once ate at a friend's house and her dad read the sports section while eating! ! ! It was so rude I've have never forgotten it 'though it was many years ago. . .
J.
I'm sorry but I have to disagree, music during dinner can be played as background to set the mood for relaxation and good conversation, now reading the paper or watching tv on the other hand......
Tom
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I know this is painfully obvious, but if there is a basement route the cable down and up through the basement.
Tom
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I think you're selling yourself short by just picking up a best of cd . Get the album sets to all your favorite Floyd tunes, I think you will find more favorites. In short all there albums are the best of. IMHO.
Tom
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Check out what this guy did to their music!
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I watched this last night with the kids, now when I usually watch movies at it's highest tolerable volume I have the dial set at about -12 to -14 before its starts to sound shrill in the highs and strained all around, this movie allowed me to go down to about -7. I'm not quite sure whats happening here, is it the quality of the audio that allows this, maybe less compressed, or maybe mixed at a lower volume. Anyone else experience this?
Tom
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RF7's NEW for $750.00, now thats a deal.
Tom
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I believe these amps are tube rectified, for the price with upgrades that have been done so far I'm surprised they haven't been snatched up already.
Bone stock dynacos go for his BIN price, these would save you money and alot of leg work, if anyone is interested in upgraded Marks, grab these for the price.
Tom
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Is this thing really worth $13,000.00?
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Fish said:
I call that a bargain,the best I never had.
Damn, where have I heard that before?[:^)]
Tom