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Enjoy the Cornwalls...I do every day!
Sounds like you had a great time! Way back in '81, I was given the grand tour through the Coors brewry in Golden, CO, in '83 I toured the Mercedes-Benz plant in Stuttgart
, and in '85 I experienced the tour through the Heineken brewry in Amsterdam!Notice a trend there?
And I still didn't get to test drive a 190E, but at least I got free samples of some of the greatest brews on earth!
It's a good thing I never got to tour the Hope plant, or the local police would've hauled me away screaming for new Khorns to take home! -
----------------On 1/1/2003 11:25:47 PM chuckears wrote:Sometime between the Heritage-little-brother class (Forte, Chorus, Quartet) and the Legend series, the Klipsch labels went to upper-case "K"'s. There was something about that lower case that I really liked... an understatement, behind which lay an amazing beast of a speaker... a humility that belied the giant's strength.Maybe it's just me...----------------
I have to agree with chuckears on this one...and it's not just you.
I'm glad that the Heritage Series never upgraded their logo throughout the years. It's a long-standing classic design that is fitting for the Klipschorns, Belles, and others of that series. But I feel that all the Klipsch products should've retained the "k" and not have changed to the "K" or the "oval K" design they now use on all their latest loudspeakers. To me, the original "k" (is it?) shows to the audiophile world where Klipsch came from, it's roots, it's long history, and that every new product still remains true to its long, rich history.
I understand that times change, and with many new products come new logo designs as well...other manufacturers have done so: Oldsmobile, Cadillac, Sansui, Pioneer, Nakamichi, Radio Shack, Pepsie Cola, etc., but to me (just my humble opinion) it kind of "cheapens" the newer generation of products somewhat. Now for the companies that have always retained their original logos (to my knowledge): Rolex, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Volkswagen, Ford, General Electric, Coka-Cola, Hewlett Packard, Marantz, Carver, dbx, conrad-johnson, Bose, JBL, and my favorite, McIntosh! If Mac Labs ever dropped their classic "Old English" lettering for something more "Generation-X" like to attract younger buyers, imagine the horrific outcome...Mac stocks plummet to an all-time low, Clarion sells them to Kraco Corp., and all their latest components (no matter how great they are) lose their entire resale value! I think for some (me included), the one reason why we love/own McIntosh components is because of their ageless, classic styling...aside from various knob and button designs, and aluminum endcap shapes, a 1965 McIntosh MC2505 doesn't look much different from a 1995 MC7300! The most dominate of logos is chrome and attached to the front of my MC250 amp...God, I love it not only for its timeless (tube-like) appearance and high-end specifications, but for that beautiful chrome "McIntosh" nameplate! Actually, I don't know if it's even true, but I heard somewhere that when McIntosh used the "Mc" loudspeaker logo (which I personally never liked, but to my knowledge all Mac loudspeakers from day one to today used it) on their black coffee mugs years ago, mug buffs/collectors complained soundly that their official coffee mugs should have the classic "McIntosh" logo, which all new coffee mugs display in 18K gold! Some things should not be f@#%&d with...ever!
Just my humble opinion, of course...
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Still partyin'...almost spilled my Jack and Coke on my Cornwalls whilst walking towards the Mac to turn up Depech Mode...damn! My Cornwalls know how to throw a New Years party, but I think I've reached my limit (hic)! Man, the cops just gave us a visit...seems the neighbors don't like us lighting off bottle rockets for the second night in a row. But it's okay for the people across the neighborhood to set off mortor shells and light up the night sky here in muggy Florida! Go figure (rednecks)...oh well.
Time to kick everyone out soon and finally go to bed (and pass out).
Have a happy and prosperous New Years everyone in KlipschLand!
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Still partyin'...almost spilled my Jack and Coke on my Cornwalls whilst walking towards the Mac to turn up Depech Mode...damn! My Cornwalls know how to throw a New Years party, but I think I've reached my limit (hic)! Man, the cops just gave us a visit...seems the neighbors don't like us lighting off bottle rockets for the second night in a row. But it's okay for the people across the neighborhood to set off mortor shells and light up the night sky here in muggy Florida! Go figure (rednecks)...oh well.
Time to kick everyone out soon and finally go to bed (and pass out).
Have a happy and prosperous New Years everyone in KlipschLand!
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John made an accurate statement...
"Yep....
They just don't build 'em, like they used to".
Damn...why is that, really?
Does it cost that much, like John said, to build top quality components these days? In these politically correct days when consumers fear of getting ripped off by today's mass-marketed/produced manufacturers (who's employees are now from some 3rd world nation making $1.20 a day and have no health insurance), where's the quality and pride in craftsmanship anymore? Has corporate greed completely taken over (hello...Enron), and do these manufacturers really not care that their products won't last into next week?
I look at my MC250 and my Cornwalls...there's attention to every minute detail in the construction and final assembly of these and many other similar components of their generation (and before)...their fit and finish, the solid materials used to construct them, etc. This is only part of the reason why these components still perform as they did 20 or 30 years ago, and why they still command alot of respect to the audiophile today (along with great demand for them and their high resale value). Manufacturers cared about their products, and about customer satisfaction and pride in ownership...it's what committed them to continue to build quality merchandise. There are a few corporations that still care today, but not like in the day.
Why did that have to change?
Enjoy those classic Macs and Klipsch (and others) while you still can.
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John, Roger Russell is indeed the man! When I had my MC7200, he helped me out tremendously in obtaining literature/reviews on the amp; he even owns a MC7200 and answered all my questions concerning the the maintenance of the amp. His website is indispensible for Mac-heads!
Greg, your quotes are probably more reasonable...eBay is not always the best reference to go by. $500 is a steal for that Mac equipment...you'd be crazy not to jump on that deal, especially since you know the owner and the condition of the components.
All I know is that my MC250 is a perfect match for my Cornwalls. It was the best matchup of components I ever made! Happy New Year to everyone.
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Hopefully, someone knowledgable in appraising audio equipment will give you a great ballpark figure...all mint vintage Mac gear hold their resale value. See if http://www.audioclassics.com/ can possibly help you out if no one has any idea; then again, they'd probably offer you the "blue book" value, and turn around and sell 'em triple what they gave you.
That's serious collector's merchandise...if I recall, I've seen the C-28 sell on eBay for as much as $750, the MC2100 for about $700 (chrome like new, no rust or pitting), the MQ101 up to $450, the MR77 for over $900, and the ML1C for up to $1100 for the pair. I'm probably way off, but these are bids/Buy Now asking prices I've seen for this equipment! This figures comes to $3900, but I personally think you can do much better than this.
I wish I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth...I'd offer you $6000 for the whole lot (if I had it). As good as the ML1Cs are, I'd use them for a second system...they can't touch my Cornwalls! Good luck to you!
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Damn, that's just not right...are you sure it wasn't the "Love Shack" baby?
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Wow, even my girlfriend awhile ago did a search on Google and couldn't locate anything on Buckingham Nicks, and there it was on Amazon.com all along.
I'm there...thanks loads, I do appreciate it!
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You are right, HDBRbuilder...I can make out the small curve that makes up the letter "U" of "USA". I'm glad I have a pair of almost one-of-a-kind loudspeakers made during the "reminding process"...makes the pair somewhat more unique (and more valuable, I wish). You should feel proud in knowing that my Cornwalls are no different today then the day they left your care at the manufacturing plant in Hope (well, minus the walnut finish my dad applied to them). They are a living testament to your skill and craftsmanship, and they still sound as good as the day you built them.
Damn...you've got "Buckingham Nicks" in vinyl? Man, if only I could get a DAT recording of it. The only other LP I saw of this was at an underground record shop in Orlando, and it looked like an ice pick had played it.
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In years past, I had to have every LP from Fleetwood Mac, to include the early Mick Fleetwood/John McVie albums from the 60's, all the way to the present CD, the 1997 comeback on Reprise Records/MTV: "The Dance" (I hear a new album/all new music is in the works).
Only one album has eluded me thus far...and some day I will have it! Way back in 1973, a very young Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks made an album together (before joining the ranks of Fleetwood Mac) called "Buckingham Nicks" on Anthem Record Corp., marketed and manufactured by Polydor/PolyGram Records, Inc. #CF 5058. I've searched high and low for years at every mom and pop/underground/imports record store throughout the country for this LP, to no avail.
I also had to have the complete discography to groups such as Led Zeppelin, Boston, Kansas, Pink Floyd, Styx, Journey, Phil Collins, The Cranberries, The Cure, and many more...
I dig Bach, and I have over 500 LPs, cassettes, reel to reel, DAT, and CDs of all styles of J.S. Bach's compositions, from solo violin, harpsichord, choir, chamber orchestra, pipe organ, to synthesizers and electric guitars; you name it, I virtually have it. And the list goes on and on...
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HDBRbuilder, thanks alot! Not only did I find out that my Cornwalls were built in '79 (standard, or series "I"), but that you built them as well! On the upper left rear corner of both cabinets are the letters:
A
S
Z
and on the upper right rear corner of each cabinet is a partial letter I can't make out:
?
S
A
It's interesting the personal touch a Klipsch loudspeaker gets...you take it for granted that each cabinet is assembled by hand by skilled craftsmen/women. But I never thought I'd meet the actual person responsible for building them...impressive! You do good work, but then I wouldn't expect any less from a military commander ("jt1stcav"; my initials, and the unit I was assigned to for two years!
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Oops...I tried to draw a diagram of the lables on the backs of each loudspeakers, detailing that there is a handwritten "7" on the upper right hand corner of each, along with a handwritten "B" on the lower left hand corners. It obviously didn't post right when I submitted it!
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If I'm not mistaken, my dad purchased his brand new raw birch Klipsch Cornwalls in 1978 (he doesn't remember anymore, and the sales receipt was thrown away years ago). They're still in mint original condition; the only "mod" was he stained the enclosures American Walnut. The labels on the backs of each cabinet are intact, and indicate:
Type - C-BR
Serial - 21T562 (using as left)
" - 21T563 (using as right)
Inspected - Vicki Mounce
Tested - N.W. Bradford
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/ 7 /
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/_B______/
The tweeter and midrange horns are recessed behind the front baffles. So are the 15" woofers. There are three rectangular ports on the bottom of each baffle. I never unscrewed the backs off the cabinets, but my brother did several years ago. The magnet structures on the woofers are square shaped. No model numbers from the drivers were recorded.
I'm puzzled...I always assumed these Cornwalls were the "I" Series. I recently found the original paperwork (Owner Information Packet) that came with the loudspeakers. In it are the unused owner registration cards with the serial numbers of each, the model type (along with the letter "B" at the opposite end of the space), and the 5-year warranty cards still attached. Also a photocopied letter from the President, Robert L. Moers about wood care and finishing, a brochure detailing what's now the Heritage Series (but not mentioning series I or II) and listing: PA 079-100M on the back, and another photocopy called, "Instructions for Cornwall II", giving detailed descriptions (...3 way 8 ohm system, with crossover points at 600 Hz and 6000 Hz).
So which are they, the Cornwall I or Cornwall II series? Were they purchased sometime in 1979 or later? If anyone can tell me anything from the description I provided here, I'd really appreciate it...thanks!
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Bosskag, there are much better tube pramps out there than the AMC...I just suggested it because it's a perfect first entry into the world of bottleheads, sounds great for the price, and because of your present budget. Go for the AE-3 if you can afford to, and then buy yourself a decent tube phono preamp.
Cornwaller, I agree with you...it's my opinion that you can have your cake and eat it too with a SS amp (for added power/punch for the bass) along with a good tube preamp. If cost was no object, of course having both your amp and preamp filled with glowing valves on top would be "the nutz!"
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Bosskag, last year I owned a McIntosh MC7200 SS amp (200 WPC @ 8 ohms), and my tube preamp was an AMC CVT1030s. I won this new preamp on eBay for $365, it had 6 inputs, 1 tape loop, and 2 outputs, a phono stage, a Direct switch to bypass the tone controls, and had 2 pairs of tubes: JAN Philips 12AU7 for the sources, and JAN Philips 12AX7WA for the phono. It's a decent preamp, and it's build quality is good (it's no Krell, but it's no RCA receiver at Radio Shack either). Soundwise, it's a whole lot warmer than the SS Carver C-4000 and C-1 preamps I owned before, and I loved the sound of my Denon DP-62L 'table with a Sumiko Blue point MC cartridge through it (it was better sounding than my CD player)! My AMC was perfect because I could roll tubes with the "s" model; the plain-jane CVT1030 has its tubes soldered on its circuit board. I'd still have it today (and the MC7200), but had to sell 'em to pay my property taxes
, and my Cornwalls sounded better than ever with it (a good matchup). My Nakamichi DR-1 also benefited from it...my whole system was more nuteral and full. Go to www.amchome.com for specs. This tube preamp might be what you're searching for. Good luck, and Merry Christmas! -
That's one modified 490t! Never had a problem with mine, but my budget won't allow me to upgrade to a new tube CD player yet. I've got my eye on JoLida's latest offering, the JD-100 24/96 vacuum tube CD player...also others to consider, like Ajoe Tjoeb, Cary Audio, Shanling...maybe even a used 490t! My limited experience with a tube preamp (the AMC was cheaply constructed, but it did work; sold on eBay for twice what I paid for it) just wet my appetite for tube amplification; my Cornwalls deserve no less! Reading other posts on the virtues of vacuum tubes and Klipsch products (like a match made in Heaven) only confirm what I just learned; to achieve the best possible sound from your Klipsch loudspeakers, you gotta use tubes! PWK would've wanted it that way.
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Makes me appreciate my McIntosh MC250 even more. Sure, it's solid-state, but I think its Autoformers make this 50-watter more "tube-like" in its sound. Of course, no solid-state amp (no matter how close Bob Carver tried to emulate the "tube sound" in his creations) can compare to valves (the real deal). Someday I'll replace the MC250 with a Mac tube equivelant (or vintage Marantz, Dynaco, Audio Research, etc.)...I've only experienced valves in my audio system last year with a flimsy AMC CVT1030s tube preamp. I replaced the Chinese tubes with JAN Philips 12AU7 and 12AX7WA NOS pairs, and my sources sounded far better than my old Carver C-4000 preamp! I could tell my Cornwalls loved tubes, but what they really need is valve amplification! A Mac MC275 would be icing on the cake! Someday.
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I'm driving my '78 Cornwalls via a solid-state McIntosh MC250 50 WPC amp (ca. early '70's). I'd love to replace my MC250 with a vintage Mac tube amp (MC245, MC275, etc.) Personally, I found that you can't beat the classic old equipment, as long as it's been maintained properly (slight mods are OK too). The ASL AV8s are nice monoblocks for the money...indeed, you probably won't find anything close in that price range new. But at $99 each, there may be skimping of high-quality parts (you get what you pay for
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I've used PayPal for almost 2 years now and never experienced any problems...yet. I've accepted their fees for the added convenience of buying/selling on eBay. I hope I never get screwed by them!
If there's an item I'm interested in bidding on, I'll e-mail the seller first and ask questions, not only about the item, but added fees, methods of payment, shipping charges, etc. So far this technique has worked quite well for me, and I know beforehand about fees/charges before I ever make my first bid! Dale may have done this also, and after the auction closed, the seller told him about added fees not originally described during the auction (sorry, I forgot what transpired). It's risky business...you have to take that person's word when he describes his item, and hope you receive the item you won after paying for it (some take the money and run, and you're left several hundred short and no item)! Guess I've been damn lucky so far. -
If you do a search on Antique Sound Labs, look up the WAVE AV8 Monoblock's. Each tube amp is 10 watts into 8 ohms, each uses a pair of ECL82 tubes and two transformers (one for mains, one for output), each has a solid-state rectifier, and they're only $99 each, last I heard. For $119 each, you can buy the WAVE Covered...same amps but with tube covers and detachable power cords. I don't recall the specs on your KG-2.5, but if you're eventually building your own loudspeakers, then you can match them up. I've been told from a man in Belle Glade, FL who owns a pair of AV8's that my vintage Cornwalls would be a good matchup for them. Any loudspeaker, whether they be horns or single-driver Lowthers, that has a 92dB or better efficiency rating, should work fine with these little amps (5"H x 6"W x 10"D). I found the website: www.tubehifi.com. Good luck.
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There are many great selections listed here in every genre of music possible. My favorite Christmas music still remains the traditional classical carols, especially those performed on the pipe organ. Most are familiar with the recordings of the Mormon Tabernacle Choir & organ, but my three favorite CDs are of the great virtuoso concert organist, the late Dr. Virgil Fox:
*Virgil Fox Christmas Favorites (1950's), Sony Music (A 20076)
*A Virgil Fox Christmas (1960-'62), EMI Classics (7243 5 66088 2 5)
*The Christmas Album (1965), Bainbridge Records (BCD 2505)
Fox was the "Liberace" of the organ world, winning numerous awards throughout his long career. Often misunderstood & unconventional, historians (purists) despised his interpretations! He was a showman for sure, but his unique style attracted both organ-lovers & rock fans. Fox will always be remembered for his sold-out "Heavy Organ" Bach concerts during the '70's at the Filmore East to an audience of hippies!
My Cornwalls are happiest during the holidays.
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1. What Heritage speakers have you owned, currently own, or want to own?
I own a pair of vintage 1978 Cornwalls. Of course I'd love to own the "Mighty Khorns!"
2. What was your age when you first purchased a Heritage series loudspeaker?
My dad bought them new in '78. I obtained them in '99 at 37.
3. What is your current age?
40
4. Why did you choose Heritage loudspeakers over another Klipsch model?
Because of their longevity, their proven design...they're classic, in a league all their own!
5. If you currently own some Heritage loudspeakers, and could purchase some more Klipsch speakers(new or used), which ones would you purchase? Why?
Any/all of the Heritage series, for the reason stated above.
6. Do you think the upcoming Jubilee should become part of the "Heritage" line, since it was also designed by PWK?
Most definately, as long as it doesn't replace an existing model. Personally, I'd love to see the Cornwall model come back as well!
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, and in '85 I experienced the tour through the Heineken brewry in Amsterdam!
It's a good thing I never got to tour the Hope plant, or the local police would've hauled me away screaming for new Khorns to take home! 
Disregard the mummble-jummble on the first post.
, and my Cornwalls sounded better than ever with it (a good matchup). My Nakamichi DR-1 also benefited from it...my whole system was more nuteral and full. Go to www.amchome.com for specs. This tube preamp might be what you're searching for. Good luck, and Merry Christmas! 
getting new saxophone
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I wanted a new Roland RS-5 programmable 61-note MIDI keyboard synthesizer for Christmas...alas, I guess I was a bad boy.
Anyhoo, I've still got an 1898 Steinway & Sons upright piano to bang on, along with an 1888 ten-stop Estey 2 manual and pedal reed/pump organ. If I get tired of pumping the bellows with my feet, then I can go the 1983 G. Tidwell & Sons 19 rank pipe organ my dad built for the house; the 2 manual and pedal console sits on a moveable dolley, and the entire Great, Swell, and Pedal organs are situated in the 2 car garage encased inside its own chamber (the cars sit outside, natch). The organ can be played on its own console, or can be played digitally through a Devtronics MIDI interface, being driven by a Cakewalk 4.0 "DOS" sequencer (using an old 8088 Window-less computer with a 40 Mhz Intel processor and a 540 MB hard drive); it's much like a player piano, except no paper rolls to install. After recording several live sessions of the pipe organ playing a Bach Prelude and Fugue or Wagner's Tannhauser programmed through the sequencer onto DAT, and then playing the demo tape through my system/Cornwalls...oh what a sound!
But I still wanted the Roland, dammit!
Maybe next year.